# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 176
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3502 "2011-08-26T20:52:26Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Infered from results and teh wording of the results > > Also received a roile PM for the Apothecary, but with my name at the beginning. For reasons mentioned, I do not beleve that is my role, but beleive it is helpful for town to knwo one of has that role and the mechanism of the role. > unless we have some of insane role teller, who tells the target another random role of the same alingement. > > Special ed - did you get your role last night or night one? I got my role at Dawn of Day 3, so during Night 2. Scuba Ben described my the results of my power accurately, however, and I did target him on Night 1. I did not target NAF, who claims to have been hit by my power. Is it possible that someone is delivering false role PMs? Or perhaps Scum have a messenger who is able to format posts so that they look like role PMs? My PM was very clear that it was a message being delivered to me. I jsut assumed it was actually my role PM, especially when Scuba Ben confirmed the action on him. @Scuba Ben, when did you first reveal that you had to give 2 targets? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3503 "2011-08-26T21:02:13Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Can somebody reiterate the reasons why it’s unlikely pizza is a wolf poisoner? Something is tickling the edge of my brain, and maybe that’ll help shake it loose. > > I also noticed some people talking about me earlier, but I can’t find it now. If you had any questions you wanted me to address, could you point me in the right direction? he claims to have killed Mahaloth who was Wolf. he also claims to have targeted brewha. No one has countered him. However, there is a possibilty he did not intentionally target Mahaloth on Night 1 or that he took a ris and intentionally targeted a teammate. I think it is safe to say though, that it is unlikely that he was redirected twice. So it is highly unlikely that if brewha is Scum that Pizza is also Scum. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3504 "2011-08-26T21:03:01Z")
watcher could of course watch for a redirect of the poisoners target ppl should mostly pick their own targets and own the results tho ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3505 "2011-08-26T21:04:16Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Alright guys, I don’t know if I’ll be posting before EOD. I’ll keep an eye on the thread via my carppy phone, but it’s very clunky to post with. > > One last plea for the apothecary to heal me. I cross my heart that I am not a wolf. Stick a needle in my eye! > > If nothing else, it’s a great way to test and prove your role. No need to out yourself, but if you see fit to spare a bit of your antidote, I’ll be grateful. maybe you did but i wouldn’t mind a reads list of who you think is villager and who is wolf ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3506 "2011-08-26T21:04:38Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I’m not being purposely obtuse. I really don’t understand what you are saying in these two posts so I’m asking for clarification. And I’m sorry if I’m bugging you and you don’t feel like being questioned but this is mafia. > > As for the comment about Idle, I guess I don’t see how it fits in now. I was thinking you were commenting on his brewha vote. If not, then what makes him off his rocker? Wanting to lynch brewha at outset of Day despite the poisoning and without even the argument that’s since been presented about the Apothecary. I don’t get it. > [@](#): > > And it really does sound to me like you in one post you are saying brewha should not be lynched and in another that you think he is scummy enough to die. I see this as a contradiction so I’m just asking you to clarify what you are saying. That’s just my point. It _is_ exactly what I’m saying, but it baffles me that you could possibly see it as some sort of scummy contradiction if you were paying any attention at all to the context. Tell me where you’re coming from, lilflower; I have a shitty record with OMGUS lately. I’ll try one more time: brewha is poisoned. I’s likely (unless speculation about the apothecary turns out accurate) that he will be dead soon regardless if he’s lynched or not. Therefore, I didn’t want to lynch him, I’d rather discuss other things and let the poisoning take care of itself. That’s not a contradiction with finding him scummy enough to die. Given the apothecary speculation, I don’t know how I’d actually vote if if somehow came down to brewha or sangaman today, though I don’t expect it to. > [@](#): > > My point here (which I guess was not clear) was that you made a vote on \*\*Giraffe \*\*and said “I think” which supports my assertion that you are not really taking accountability for your votes. Your response to that originally makes sense as it relates to the above, but not for the original vote with the disclaimer of “I think.” Oh, that. Well I’m not going to try to defend an “I think”. I don’t think it needs defending. [Post 1936](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14170667&postcount=1936). Danke. I’ll check it ASAP. > [@](#): > > So you vehemently disagree it’s scummy to place votes with a disclaimer like “I think” and "The one that pinged me the most is brewha, but I’ll vote for any of them [Dancecat, BlaM, PCM, Inner Stickler]”. Obviously, but yes even if it wasn’t me. At that point I was the _only_ vote on brewha (I think I did vote for him that same post? Can’t remember) which made my vote more useful than the one on Giraffe only in the sense that the brewha post was more recent and stood a better chance of gathering more votes than a wagon on Giraffe that had already come and gone by the time I got there. I’m not a big fan of “well I think X is scummy so I’m going to stick to them like a limpet and ignore every other potential scum in the game even if the others have a chance of being lynched and my candidate does not”. As you might have gathered from my case on Zeriel. You’re way too focused on “what townies should act like” niceties here, lilfower. > [@](#): > > And every vote does count, whether because it leads to someone’s lynch or leaves a record of who you thought was scummy. You seem to be dismissing the fact that any case you make or vote you make toDay has any bearing on the game. You seem to be like “oh well, here’s my vote, I’m sort of sure I want to place it but if something else comes along, I might vote there, too.” That’s not remotely how I viewed what I was doing. The Giraffe vote I can give you, because I never got the chance to follow up before doing so seemed like a waste of my time, and now he is looking rather townie due to Blaster’s targeting him, so unless he’s still alive ten days from now or something it’s unlikely that I ever will. But brewha? How can you possibly see this how you are characterizing it? > [@](#): > > You are usually a player who puts in a lot of analysis on a case and makes a vote and doesn’t care if it’s a bandwagon or not. This is true, I usually am. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible for me to recognize other people’s good cases, and that doesn’t mean I don’t vote for them when they have better chance of lynching someone acceptably scummy than my own case does. That part is NOT correct. I do it all the time. > [@](#): > > That is what is pinging me. You even say this at one point (which I just find very out of character for you as a town player): This is simply not the case. And I didn’t even do it, at that, when it came right down to it. (Well I did vote Blaster on a bandwagon later, but my first vote was my own.) > [@](#): > > So you seem to playing just enough not to be lurking, you are admittedly skimming and then placing votes with little to no accountability or confidence. It seems out of character for you as a town player. > > If anyone else cares to defend **Normal** , I am all ears. Yeah, skimming’s not a scum tell. Somethign else we disagree on. Nobody needs to defend me; I’m quite capable of defending myself. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3507 "2011-08-26T21:08:55Z")
UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT Through post #3501. sangaman (8): Scuba\_Ben [2874], Idle Thoughts [2880], Giraffe [2885], Scathach [2892], NAF [2896], Drain Bead [3172], Suburban Plankton [3184], bufftabby [3241], [del]lilflower [3250, 3464][/del] Astral Rejection (2): AskThePizzaGuy [2992, Weedy [3282] Silver Jan (1): Zeriel [2701] Brewha (1): [del]Idle Thoughts [2694,2880][/del], Normal Phase [3421] Idle Thoughts (1): pwnsall [2729] lilflower (1): [del]Giraffe [2876,2884][/del], Episkey [3326] PCM (1): septimus [3080] Episkey (1): Astral Rejection [2984], [del]Tex Cat [3328, 3831][/del] AskthePizzaGuy (1): brewha [3244] Normal Phase (1): lilflower [3464] Zeriel (0): [del]Silver Jan [2758,2848][/del] [del]Normal Phase [3210,3421][/del] LightFoot (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [2746,2874][/del] Giraffe (0): [del]Silver Jan [2848,2881][/del] Scathach (0): [del]Drain Bead [2704,3172][/del] Not voting: LightFoot Meeko/Sangaman MykBot/DuckburgDK Sachertorte/DonkTimesFour Special Ed Gnarlycharlie SisterCoyote/J.D. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3508 "2011-08-26T21:11:15Z")
Semi-official Friday night vote count. 8 votes Sangaman {Scuba Ben (2874), Idle Thoughts (2880), Giraffe (2884), Scathach (2892), NAF1138 (2896), Drain Bead (3172), Suburban Plankton (3184), Bufftabby (3241)} 2 votes Astral Rejection {ATPG (2992), Weedy (3282)} 1 vote ATPG {Brewha (3244)} Brewha {Normal Phase (3421)} Episkey {Astral Rejection (2894)} Idle Thoughts {pwnsall (2729)} lilflower {Episkey (3326)} Normal Phase {lilflower (3461)} PCM {Septimus (3080)} Silver Jan {Zeriel 2701)} If you think that’s wrong let me know via PM and I’ll amend it. Right now I want the table function. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3509 "2011-08-26T21:28:18Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Sorry for cutting that off. Posting from iPad, lost cursor, couldn’t get it back. > > So. > > Charlie is Scum: > –Jan and Scuba are Town. Tex is Scum. > > Charlie is Town: > –Tex is Town. We don’t know, but suspect Jan and Scuba. > > Again, I think we get more info from a Jan lynch, and it’s clear that we have either lying or untrustworthy info from her or Tex/Charlie. Killing her will tell us which that is, while killing Charlie won’t necessarily do so. > > unvote gnarlycharlie > vote Silver Jan > > I’m drunk and open to suggestion, though. I’m not a fan of this reasoning from Drain Bead either, but it’s not the same thing as what pinged me with brewha. Brewha specifically entertained the theory that Jan herself was an insane cop and argued (which is not exactly the right word, but I’m getting too hungry for vocabulary) that the information gain would be acceptable even if that was true. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3510 "2011-08-26T21:30:13Z")
Can someone tell me when this Day ends? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3511 "2011-08-26T21:40:42Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Can someone tell me when this Day ends? Tomorrow. > [@Gadarene](#): > > Night will fall on Saturday at 12 pm EDT. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3512 "2011-08-26T21:41:58Z")
Out of curiosity, should we take a poll to the number of players who might be in a hurricane at EOD? :raises hand: Anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3513 "2011-08-26T21:55:59Z")
YesterDay it was an earthquake. Today it’s a hurricane. I’m a little worried about Tomorrow… ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3514 "2011-08-26T22:00:15Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > YesterDay it was an earthquake. > > Today it’s a hurricane. > > I’m a little worried about Tomorrow… What you should really be worried about is [The Day After Tomorrow\*](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319262/)!! - Awesomely terrible weather disaster movie. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3515 "2011-08-26T23:00:18Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > watcher could of course watch for a redirect of the poisoners target > > ppl should mostly pick their own targets and own the results tho If there is a redirect I think it happens more like this to account for the one target per Night: Player A is a redirector. Player A targets Player B. Player C targets Player A. Player C’s action ends up on Player B. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3516 "2011-08-26T23:02:42Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Out of curiosity, should we take a poll to the number of players who might be in a hurricane at EOD? > > :raises hand: > > Anyone else? Not me. On another note, I’m still waiting for you and/or Normal to come up with something, really, anything that indicates why you’ve indicated that I seem Scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3517 "2011-08-26T23:05:37Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > If there is a redirect I think it happens more like this to account for the one target per Night: > > Player A is a redirector. > Player A targets Player B. > Player C targets Player A. > > Player C’s action ends up on Player B. Do we know for a fact that the rule is “one target per action”? I know someone pointed to the rules thread where it says “every player must submit a target for that night action”, but have we confirmed that means “one and only one, with no exceptions”? Or is that just an assumption? ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3518 "2011-08-26T23:54:34Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > If there is a redirect I think it happens more like this to account for the one target per Night: > > Player A is a redirector. > Player A targets Player B. > Player C targets Player A. > > Player C’s action ends up on Player B. errr, yeah, i meant a randomizer which there was in the other game which did, in fact, just randomize the target ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3519 "2011-08-26T23:56:59Z")
**sangaman** no good explanation for slip yet still if you are villa i hope you at least post a reads list and anything else you want to say before eod ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3520 "2011-08-27T03:01:31Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > maybe you did but i wouldn’t mind a reads list of who you think is villager and who is wolf Tell ya what. If I’m alive tomorrow, I’ll make that list up for you. Right now, I’m browsing and posting from my phone and composing a post like that is difficult. You take into account that we went out for Mexican tonight and I had a couple of jumbo margaritas - it’s nigh impossible! Whelp, may as well put my vote where it’ll do some good. Since day one, I’ve thought that one of the most prolific posters is likely scum leading the town around by the nose. I just couldn’t decide if it was peeker or pizza that had that role. We now know that peeker isnt scum, so I’m am very convinced that pizza is. Sadly, it seems that the town is content to be lead around like sheep and listen to the most prolific poster merely because they are the most prolific poster. Seriously, if this poison does me in - kill Pizza. In my death you’ll see that I’m town and hopefully you’ll be able to then see through Pizza’s deceptions. I really hate to do this, but: unvote AskThePizzaGuy I have seen nothing to indicate that Sangaman’s wolf number claim was anything but PIS. So, Vote Sangaman ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3521 "2011-08-27T03:39:55Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Infered from results and teh wording of the results > > Also received a roile PM for the Apothecary, but with my name at the beginning. For reasons mentioned, I do not beleve that is my role, but beleive it is helpful for town to knwo one of has that role and the mechanism of the role. > unless we have some of insane role teller, who tells the target another random role of the same alingement. > > Special ed - did you get your role last night or night one? Did the message you got that appeared to be a role PM include your name? My name was in my “message” Have we considered that maybe an apothecary role might not leave a “healthy” “warm glow” or any other type of message on a person who isn’t poisoned? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=175) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=177)