# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/341 "2011-08-17T21:39:33Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Peeker’s usual style is to post excessively using a style that is difficult to understand. (others can corroborate this.) He uses strange analogies and made-up words. In one game, he was coherent and helpful. I led a push to lynch him. He was Scum. > > So, him not being antagonistic has been a successful Scum tell for him in the past. but dude most of those were when i was downing a half gallon of vodka and taking a vicodin. now that its a beer or two at most some of my asshole tendencies have gone away. shit i just passed year 10 with the current missus. the other two didn’t come close to making double digits. shit, the second barely lasted 2 and she was pregnant for nine months. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/342 "2011-08-17T21:42:37Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > One thought – if a player who gets hit by this _doesn’t mind_ being a target (low-value role, bulletproof, etc (or even wants to pose as such)) then they could consider the situation on those grounds. This I support. Context is everything. If you learn that you are a valuable role, then you might want to keep that to yourself (BOTH the power of your role AND the fact that you know it). If you learn your role is sucky, then revealing that you have learned your role would give good info to the person that caused it without losing much. Context baby! ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/343 "2011-08-17T21:43:35Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I think I agree with this view of it, as much as it would/will suck if a player with that power hits any scum unknowing. It’s the only power I’ve yet heard or thought of where it is clearly and always worse to target a scum than a townie. > > One thought – if a player who gets hit by this _doesn’t mind_ being a target (low-value role, bulletproof, etc (or even wants to pose as such)) then they could consider the situation on those grounds. I’m not following. What power was \*\*Lightfoot \*\*talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/344 "2011-08-17T21:46:02Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Peeker’s usual style is to post excessively using a style that is difficult to understand. (others can corroborate this.) He uses strange analogies and made-up words. In one game, he was coherent and helpful. I led a push to lynch him. He was Scum. > > So, him not being antagonistic has been a successful Scum tell for him in the past. Yes. It’s also been wrong once or twice. I think peeker’s best tell is opportunism. I don’t know if his Giraffe vote qualifies; I’ve missed some posts. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/345 "2011-08-17T21:49:55Z")
There are no sucky roles, only sucky people. Donuts. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/346 "2011-08-17T21:50:32Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **moi** or **giraffe**. because if it’s **moi** i frequently get mislynched for a variety of stupid dumb ass reasons (you post too much, you post too little, you are making no sense, you are making too much sense, etfuckingcetera). Peeks, you have NEVER been mislynched for making TOO MUCH sense. That’d be like lynching Jaws for being too non-aquatic and non-murderous. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/347 "2011-08-17T21:54:55Z")
Wow, at this rate we’re going to knock the WoW thread off its pedestal sometime next week :). General thoughts so far: Tie break: I strongly dislike leaving the lynch up to random choice Claiming: Initially I liked the idea of sharing messages received at Dawn but thinking about it more, it may just paint an even larger target on one’s back Soft-clearing: Early in the game I tend to comment on the player I find most suspicious and only share thoughts on other players if they’re lynch candidates and I’m evaluating the merits of the cases against them. I didn’t find anything particularly telling about **Lightfoot** ’s post Fake breadcrumbs: **Drain Bead** has it right, scum will quickly identify the bluffers due to incorrect reads and will narrow down the options for the real Cop based on correct reads > [@Dancecat](#): > > No. What NAF suggested is extremely (and imo, very obviously) anti-town. Anti-town != scum. > [@TimeLady](#): > > > [@Dancecat](#): > > > > there is one thing in this post that makes me want to vote you, and another that makes me want to tempclear you. i’ll lean towards tempclearing if you can tell me which is which. > > temp clear because i said that i was an awesome wolf, and voting me because i made a whole post that didn’t really add anything of value? Was the answer right? > [@LightFoot](#): > > Something here pings me. I’m trying to figure out what. Any luck? ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/348 "2011-08-17T21:57:20Z")
Zeriel; Peek has in fact been mislynched for making too much sense. And for being too helpful. And there was some other weird thing he got lynched for, but in that case he actually _was_ scum, so it wasn’t a mislynch. On the other hand, my earth-to-peeker translator still seems to be working adequately. Imperfectly, but adequately. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/349 "2011-08-17T22:06:31Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Peeks, you have NEVER been mislynched for making TOO MUCH sense. That’d be like lynching Jaws for being too non-aquatic and non-murderous. Swear to god, I read this as Jews first and had to do a triple take 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/350 "2011-08-17T22:16:35Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Yes. It’s also been wrong once or twice. > > I think peeker’s best tell is opportunism. I don’t know if his Giraffe vote qualifies; I’ve missed some posts. Kind of why I will not welcome a lynch but will kind of go, meh. When I flip town it will at least put that tired shit to rest. Plus I may be to dumb to play this game. I thought that not only did you have to pick a target but specify an action as well. Hence my question to NSF earlier. Fucking auto caps and auto correction iPhone. But I’ll be arsed if I am going back and changing anything. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/351 "2011-08-17T22:17:57Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > ```auto > Any luck? > > ``` maybe if this makes sense Originally Posted by Zeriel > [@](#): > > While that’s true as it stands, consider it this way: Right now, town has 0 information and scum has 1 information. Scum/Wolves already have much more than 1 piece of information . If you consider 1 for each of them (they know who eachother are) AND they know who each of them targeted > [@](#): > > Naively, if everyone posts their targets truly, and say that information is worth 1 point per night, then town has 1 information and scum has 2 information. Knowing who targeted whom \* without results \*gives Town nothing at this point and Scum much more > [@](#): > > So town’s gone from “infinitely less information” to “half as much information”. After another night, then it’s 2 and 3, town closing the information gap yet again. This math does not compute to me. The rest of the post is below. I feel it is an argument with itself to me (WIFOMish) > [@](#): > > At some point you can make the argument that improving the ratio of information between scum and town justifying paying for that improvement by increasing scum’s absolute amount of information. Especially if the information that you provide to both sides is such that a good lynch or other town action can flip the information ratio to our side. > > Figuring out when this is a wise decision is literally impossible on Day One in a closed game, but NAF’s plan isn’t ENTIRELY stupid, just a gamble right now with unknown odds–and in fairness, starting it now has the advantage of making it harder for scum to game the false information they reveal. > > We have what sometimes appears to be a track record around here of this kind of thing being poorly done enough such that it makes it EASIER for the wolves to find the seers. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/352 "2011-08-17T22:22:11Z")
I’ve noticed a general trend among the voting so far. Looking at all of the players who have been voted for more than once: voting for peeker: Giraffe, Special Ed, NAF1138 (all Dopers) voting for Dancecat: Idle thoughts, Giraffe (both Dopers) voting for Giraffe: Special Ed, peeker (both Dopers) voting for Mykbot: Zeriel, Timelady (a mixed couple) This would support the idea that ‘strangers are bad’; we don’t want to vote for the same person as an ‘outsider’ because they are not to be trusted. I also think it’s interesting that most of the votes that have been cast so far are from the SDMB players rather than the 2+2 players; I would have expected just the opposite, given that they are more used to short Days and a faster pace. **vote Timelady** for breaking the ‘culture barrier’ and voting along with Zeriel (whose vote was half-joking to begin with), for her stated reason (“obvious vote is obvious”) and for later justifying her vote by pointing out how “early voting tends to be done more by townies” ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/353 "2011-08-17T22:33:58Z")
And if I have been too fucking nice maybe it’s me freudianally not wanting to offend new folks. I mean with chicks that I am having sex with I typically wait until the second time to start farting in their presence. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/354 "2011-08-17T22:38:20Z")
Where’s the fucking f5 button on an iPhone? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/355 "2011-08-17T22:42:38Z")
And just to let you know this forcing game is seriously cutting into my angry birds time. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/356 "2011-08-17T22:49:04Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > maybe if this makes sense > /snip I think he used “naively” to show that he was over-simplifying to make the point but I see what you mean, Scum can put 1 and 1 together as a collective much faster than town so the data can quickly become information whereas for town it’ll remain mostly noise for some time. Do you see scum intent in **Zeriel** ’s post? > [@peekercpa](#): > > Where’s the fucking f5 button on an iPhone? I gave up trying to follow the thread on my iphone, too much scrolling. > [@peekercpa](#): > > And just to let you know this forcing game is seriously cutting into my angry birds time. I had exactly the same thought! I just started playing it last week and I’m glad I’m breaking the habit. Hrmm, I’m sensing the old **Peeker** ’s back, was it the votes? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/357 "2011-08-17T22:52:32Z")
Yeah, it’s actually a mild pity someone called him out on it, because that means he can now work to disguise a scum tell. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/358 "2011-08-17T23:09:13Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I think he used “naively” to show that he was over-simplifying to make the point but I see what you mean, Scum can put 1 and 1 together as a collective much faster than town so the data can quickly become information whereas for town it’ll remain mostly noise for some time. Do you see scum intent in **Zeriel** ’s post? > > I gave up trying to follow the thread on my iphone, too much scrolling. > I had exactly the same thought! I just started playing it last week and I’m glad I’m breaking the habit. > > Hrmm, I’m sensing the old **Peeker** ’s back, was it the votes? actually it’s called a job. back in the day i could just farcking watch post by post and comment accordingly. now it seems like a page or two goes by between meetings and other kind of job stuff. plus when you aren’t working it’s just as easy to start the day with a mimosa as it is a cup of coffee. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/359 "2011-08-17T23:11:19Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Yeah, it’s actually a mild pity someone called him out on it, because that means he can now work to disguise a scum tell. I’m undecided on **Peeker** but this post reads all wrong to me. If it’s a real scum tell, why aren’t you voting **Peeker** (you’re not, right?), moreso given his apparent change in posting style since he gained 3 votes? Why is it a pity that he was called out on it? **Vote Scathach** ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/360 "2011-08-17T23:11:58Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I think he used “naively” to show that he was over-simplifying to make the point but I see what you mean, Scum can put 1 and 1 together as a collective much faster than town so the data can quickly become information whereas for town it’ll remain mostly noise for some time. Do you see scum intent in **Zeriel** ’s post? ~~snip~~ Like I said it ‘pings me’ or as I sometimes say it doesn’t smell quite right. It seems to me that he’s playing down the potential benefit to Scum and boosting the benefit to Town (when I don’t see that as the case) I will give the poster a chance to respond before voting but this is one that I may end up voting for. There are others that I’m watching as well but I’m giving them some ‘rope’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=19)