# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 180
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3582 "2011-08-28T02:10:58Z")
My list, almost guaranteed to be inaccurate somewhere, shows a lot of non-voters: crackedquads, gnarlycharlie, Mykbot/Duck, PCM, sacher/Donk, SisterC/JD, Special Ed (again!). One off voters: Pizza votes Astral lightfoot votes PCM Normal votes brewha Weedy votes Astral Astral votes Episkey Episkey votes lilflower SilverJan votes Episkey Zeriel once again votes SilverJan ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3583 "2011-08-28T02:14:24Z")
10 votes Sangaman {Scuba Ben (2874), Idle Thoughts (2880), Giraffe (2884), Scathach (2892), NAF1138 (2896), Drain Bead (3172), Suburban Plankton (3184), Bufftabby (3241)} Brewha (3519) TexCat (3541) 2 votes Astral Rejection {ATPG (2992), Weedy (3282)} Episkey {Astral Rejection (2894) Silver Jan (3524)} PCM {Septimus (3080) Lightfoot (3521)} 1 vote Brewha {Normal Phase (3421)} Idle Thoughts {pwnsall (2729)} lilflower {Episkey (3326)} Normal Phase {lilflower (3461)} Silver Jan {Zeriel 2701)} Corrections please. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3584 "2011-08-28T02:26:19Z")
Day One updated [spoiler] **FINAL DAY ONE VOTE COUNT** \*\*Krayz \*\*(7): Drain Bead [489], **Meeko/sangaman [493]**, Scuba\_Ben [498], **Mahaloth \*\*\*\*[540]**, Idle Thoughts [706], LightFoot [717], Scuba\_Ben [736], Precambrianmollusc [771] \*\*TexCat \*\*(5): **Inner Stickler [473]**, lilflower [494], MykBot [586], gnarlycharlie [636], Normal Phase [739] **Silver Jan** (5): special ed [487], **DanceCat [513**], Episkey [617], bufftabby [795], **Blaster Master [820]** \*\*peekercpa \*\*(4): Giraffe [301], special ed [313], NAF1138 [337], Scuba\_Ben [379], Silver Jan [484], crackedquads [743] \*\*TimeLady \*\*(2): sachertorte [211], Suburban Plankton [352] \*\*SisterCoyote \*\*(2): TimeLady [648], brewha [750] **Mahaloth (1): bufftabby [564], Krayz [597]** \*\*Dancecat \*\*(1): Idle Thoughts [72], Giraffe [250], Normal Phase [497], Scathach [604] \*\*Giraffe \*\*(1): special ed [51], **peekercpa [286]**, Krayz [418] \*\*MykBot \*\*(1): Zeriel [21], TimeLady [24], TexCat [459], septimus [601] \*\*Scathach \*\*(1): \*\*GuiriEnEspaña \*\*[359] \*\*LightFoot \*\*(1): Zeriel [375] \*\*septimus \*\*(1): Askthepizzaguy [477] \*\*lilflower \*\*(1): TexCat [521] \*\*special ed \*\*(1): SisterCoyote [562] **Suburban Plankton** (0): Scuba\_Ben [572] **Idle Thoughts** (0): Krayz [86] \*\*GuiriEnEspaña \*\*(0): Drain Bead [386] \*\*NAF1138 \*\*(0): Dancecat [53], **Blaster Master [520]** Five minutes for people to PM me with any corrections.[/spoiler] Day Two updated [spoiler] **FINAL DAY TWO VOTE COUNT** Through post #2496 \*\* Blaster Master \*\* (10): sachertorte/DonkTimesFour [1135], septimus [1367], septimus [1808], NAF1138 [2187], **Dancecat [2258]**, Normal Phase [2272], Episkey [2295], Drain Bead [2322], Idle Thoughts [2326], NAF1138 [2347], pwnsall [2491], **peekercpa [2492]** **Inner Stickler** (8): TexCat [2204], NAF1138 [2249], Scuba\_Ben [2376], LightFoot [2403], gnarlycharlie [2446], Scathach [2451], Silver Jan [2460], brewha [2466], lilflower [2469],\*\* Blaster Master [2486]\*\* **gnarlycharlie (3): Weedy [1279], lilflower [1720], Idle Thoughts [1723], brewha [1732], Silver Jan [1735], NAF1138 [1737], Drain Bead [1738], Giraffe [1768], septimus [1771], \*\* Blaster Master [1813], Scathach [1872], Astral Rejection [1971],** Inner Stickler [2111]\*\*, Precambrianmollusc [2123], Scuba\_Ben [2173] \*\*Precambrianmollusc \*\*(2): Idle Thoughts [1143], crackedquads [2143], bufftabby [2384], pwnsall [2462] **Silver Jan** (2): Zeriel [1126], **Blaster Master [1759]**, Weedy [1812], Giraffe [1820], Idle Thoughts [1825], Drain Bead [1936], brewha [2159], Scuba\_Ben [2235] **Scuba\_Ben** (1): **Blaster Master [1109]**, Drain Bead [1190], Suburban Plankton [1449], Weedy [1452], Scathach [1499], Idle Thoughts [1507], Scathach [1895], Idle Thoughts [1904], lilflower [2222], **Blaster Master [2238]**, gnarlycharlie [2245], lilflower [2479] \*\*peekercpa \*\*(1): Giraffe [1320], bufftabby [1646], septimus [1664], Giraffe [2246] \*\*Dancecat \*\*(1): Askthepizzaguy [1969], Silver Jan [2154] \*\*bufftabby \*\*(0): pwnsall [2438] \*\*Brewha \*\*(0): Askthepizzaguy [1256], Askthepizzaguy [1472], Normal Phase [2209] **Special Ed** (0): Silver Jan [2263] \*\*Episkey \*\*(0): crackedquads [1552] \*\*DonkTimesFour \*\*(0): **peekercpa [1663]** \*\*TexCat \*\*(0): **Dancecat [1787]**, Askthepizzaguy [1929] \*\*Askthepizzaguy \*\*(0): **peekercpa [1524]** \*\*Weedy \*\*(0): Scuba\_Ben [1586], Askthepizzaguy [1590] \*\*Giraffe \*\*(0): Normal Phase [1157], \*\*peekercpa [1267], \*\*Askthepizzaguy [1341], Astral Rejection [1547], Askthepizzaguy [1548], **peekercpa [1588], peekercpa [1927]**, Silver Jan [2282] You have **FIVE MINUTES** to please PM me with any corrections.[/spoiler] Day Three incomplete (no unvotes) [spoiler]10 votes **Sangaman (10)**{Scuba Ben (2874), Idle Thoughts (2880), Giraffe (2884), Scathach (2892), NAF1138 (2896), Drain Bead (3172), Suburban Plankton (3184), Bufftabby (3241)} Brewha (3519) TexCat (3541) 2 votes **Astral Rejection (2)** {ATPG (2992), Weedy (3282)} \*\*Episkey (2) \*\*{Astral Rejection (2894) Silver Jan (3524)} \*\*PCM (2) \*\*{Septimus (3080) Lightfoot (3521)} 1 vote **Brewha (1)**{Normal Phase (3421)} **Idle Thoughts (1)** {pwnsall (2729)} **lilflower (1)** {Episkey (3326)} **Normal Phase (1)** {lilflower (3461)} **Silver Jan (1)** {Zeriel 2701)}[/spoiler]Link back to my previous notes for comparison: ([**Link**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14181042&postcount=3083)) ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3585 "2011-08-28T02:32:08Z")
\*\*Krayz (Town, Bureaucrat) Lynch Mahaloth (Wolf, Tracker) Vigilante GuiriEnEspaña (Town, Vigilante) Murder Silman (Town, Journalist) Murder Blaster Master (Wolf, Propagandist) Lynch Dancecat (Town, Town Crier) Murder Inner Stickler (Town, Beat Cop) Vigilante peekercpa (Town, Lightning Rod) Murder [COLOR=Red]Sangaman (Wolf, Doctor) Lynch [/COLOR] **Forgot to add on to the above notes.** [COLOR=Red] [/COLOR]\*\* ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3586 "2011-08-28T02:32:25Z")
Oy! It’s night time Votey Mctallyton! Back off with the strategerizing! ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3587 "2011-08-28T02:33:39Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Oy! It’s night time Votey Mctallyton! Back off with the strategerizing! Did not know that posting the tally, which the host said he was going to do, was “strategy”. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3588 "2011-08-28T02:36:45Z")
I suppose I could have waited until the morning to do the tally, but it wouldn’t have changed any of the content. Now, if I were adding opinion onto these factual data points, I could see it being considered strategy, but as of night time, I haven’t added any opinion whatsoever regarding the current game. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3589 "2011-08-28T03:11:47Z")
Okay, joining in the drink-ordering fest now. For my alcoholic beverage of choice tonight, since I’m a teetotaller, is going to be rather tough to swallow, for several reasons. But if I must then I must. I’ll have one goblet of _wine in front of me_, filled with \*\*iocane powder. \*\* Let’s see what happens. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3590 "2011-08-28T04:21:06Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Oy! It’s night time Votey Mctallyton! Back off with the strategerizing! Hi, my name is Ed. No, it’s not. I’m surprisingly drunk and yet still able to post. I just came from a festival that had Survivor playing. And I can cross “sex with a midget” off my bucket list. How is everyone? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3591 "2011-08-28T06:03:10Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Hi, my name is Ed. > > No, it’s not. I’m surprisingly drunk and yet still able to post. > > I just came from a festival that had Survivor playing. > > And I can cross “sex with a midget” off my bucket list. > > How is everyone? We prefer the term little people. And next time, ask permission before you do that thing with the ping pong balls. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3592 "2011-08-28T17:32:36Z")
I finally get time to play and it’s Night BAH (to coin a phrase) ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3593 "2011-08-28T17:51:53Z")
I’m back and caught up. Way to go Town! Sanga, sucks to be you to make that big slip. We got through the hurricane just fine. No flooding, nothing down more than leaves and twigs. Right now it’s sunny, drying out, and calm. Ed, if I survive the Night, I’ll reply to your question from Friday afternoon. Meanwhile, I’ll have a few of what Jan is drinking. As long as it’s not a mudslide, hurricane, or any other natural-disaster drink. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3594 "2011-08-28T17:59:30Z")
Happy to hear you are well. I’m looking forward to hearing from the rest of us that are in the path. I see Jose is following Irene too ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3595 "2011-08-28T18:02:31Z")
From what I have read Jose shouldn’t be a problem. Everything is fine up here. Not even a power outage in my part of town. Some flooding and things in other parts of town that will make life inconvenient for a few days, but nothing serious anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3596 "2011-08-28T18:23:04Z")
I like the notes so far that peoples are OK I have puppies anyone need one? I figure if I put holes in the box I can just send them regular mail. let me know 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3597 "2011-08-28T20:29:06Z")
> [@J.D](#): > > \ > I have to say I like the tone of this board, most people seem very friendly. OH YEAH, WELL FUUUUuuu . . . . oh, who am I kidding. I cannot even pretend to be mean. Welcome!! ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3598 "2011-08-28T20:35:46Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > OH YEAH, WELL FUUUUuuu . . . . oh, who am I kidding. I cannot even pretend to be mean. > > Welcome!! Point of order: What you were going to say might not have been mean. It could have been an invitation. 😃 _clown face_ What? No clown face smiley? Board is awesome but need moar smileys. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3599 "2011-08-28T20:46:46Z")
I hereby resign from this game. The game host threatened to modkill me when I asked him about player to player communications, and didn’t respond to my point when I said it wasn’t explicitly banned by the rules. It’s not, by the way, even if that was his intention. I am so furious I may never play on this board again. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3600 "2011-08-28T20:55:39Z")
Askthepizzaguy has been modkilled. He was the town poisoner. MHaye is free to post the three PMs I received from him that were the cause of the modkill, or else I’ll do it as soon as I get to a computer (I’m still stuck in Vegas because of the hurricane, and haven’t checked into my room tonight yet). Normal Phase will also obviously disregard the strategy-related PM she received from Askthepizzaguy toNight. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3601 "2011-08-28T21:00:17Z")
I’ll post it, because this is [expletive]. You’re a TERRIBLE GAME HOST. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > > [@Gadarene](#): > > > > > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > > > > > According to your rules, I can’t talk strategy in the thread at night, but I can PM people. > > > > > > I’ve read and re-read the rules. Is this correct? > > > > Absolutely not. No PMing people at any time. > > Well, woah, hold on a second. I read your rules carefully, I think, and it says nothing about I can’t PM people. Here, check it out: > > > [@](#): > > > > **PMs:** > > > > As should be apparent, Personal messages (PMs) will play an important part in this game. Please do not quote specific PMs in the thread or talk about any specific communications from the moderators. We will not hesitate to modkill for this infraction. In addition, do not talk about your role PMs. **Handshaking is futile; do not attempt it.** If you are unsure of whether or not you can say something, please PM me. Any questions to the moderators should be PMed directly to me. **Do not ask questions of the moderators in the thread.** > > > > **Role Claiming:** > > > > Any player may claim anything they wish about their roles, but does so at their peril. Good luck. > > > > **Night Chat and Dead Player Chat:** > > > > There will be no strategy talk in the thread at Night. Dead wolves may not chat. No player may chat with dead players about this game. There may or may not be resurrection mechanics. > > Summary: > > 1. PMs will play an important part of the game > 2. Don’t quote PMs or talk about PMs from the moderators > 3. Don’t talk about your role PM > 4. Don’t handshake > 5. Don’t talk about strategy in the thread at night. > 6. Don’t talk to dead players. > > **None of these bars private communication with other players.** It’s not in your rules, even if you intended it to be the case. Show me where it says it in your rules! > > If this is the case you need to amend your rules, Gadarene. They don’t state that anywhere. :dubious: > > Not only that, the rules are phrased as such that it is \*\*technically illegal \*\*to talk about your detective results, too, even if you’re not quoting them. Rules need to be amended, as such. I’m a host of roughly 45 games and trust me, I understand the importance of following them, but your rules are not written as necessary if you intend for talking about detective results to be legal, or to have all private messages with other players banned. It’s not in the rules. > > However, I’ll do the right thing and inform you that I sent a message to Normal Phase. But because what you’re saying was not specifically banned by your rules, I would \*request \*that you not infract me for it. > > I could send you what I sent her, but here’s the summary: > > 1. possible meaning of the detective results are this and this and this, not sure which > 2. roleblockers are 50/50 scum in my opinion. > > I \*hope \*since the rule against PMing was not actually in your rules and since I came forward after you said it was illegal will mean this obviously innocent error was not even my fault and there will be no penalties, right? > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I did more digging, just to make sure I wasn’t screwing up. > > \*\* Not only is that rule not in your OP, it’s not in post 2 or 3, and it’s not in any of your posts for the first 400 posts at least.\*\* > > So, obviously, I am not in error to conclude that PMs were legal by default since they weren’t explicitly or even implicitly banned. And explicitly banned is the only way I could have been intentionally rulebreaking, and banned in general is the only way I could have been rulebreaking even in technical terms. > > So, I’m redoubling my request to not be infracted for this error, which I feel wasn’t my error, and I would also request you post a message in the thread in official moderator-y format saying that PM communications with other players are illegal from this point onward. > > Actually, because the game is now 3 days and 3000 posts+ into the game, you’re going to want to send out a mass PM to everyone. That way no one misses the rule amendment. > > Maybe it’s your board culture which assumes that PM communications with other players are illegal, but they aren’t on all the other boards I play on, and if they are during a game, the game moderator MUST say that EXPLICITLY in the opening post. In fact, there was limited PM activity allowed in the De’endee game, depending on which role you had. Some players were allowed to send messages, although in very limited fashion. > > That said, even though some communication WAS mod-sanctioned, it was explicitly stated in the rules, the following: > > > [@De'endee Mafia rules](#): > > > > 1. No communication about this game in any manner that has not been previously mod-sanctioned. > > I need something like this before I can understand that player-to-player communications are illegal. > > Do you know how much of that has gone on up to this point? Because it’s not in the rules, many players might have been doing this. > > I’ll say that I haven’t had any reason yet to contact anyone, so this would be my first and only “offense”, but that may not be the case for everyone. If so, there may be a lot of unintended rulebreaks, although as I said because it wasn’t stated, they are all not even really rule breaks. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > > [@Gadarene](#): > > > > I can’t belive you’re being obtuse about this. Stop talking about it, or I will modkill you IMMEDIATELY. > > I hereby resign from your game. > > THAT was uncalled for. Posting it publicly now. I am absolutely FURIOUS that this is how you react to a question about the rules, pointing out that I have accidentally broken them if they were stated to be such, then pointing out that they DO NOT include anything explicitly banning private communication, and instead of going “You’re right, it’s not listed in the rules, I will amend them immediately. you’re not to private message anyone else, though” Like a good game host, your response was to threaten to modkill me and you didn’t address my points AT ALL. I am shaking with anger. I would admonish you for this further, but I wouldn’t be able to be civil about it. **This is bar none the worst example of game hosting I’ve ever seen. 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