# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 185
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3682 "2011-08-29T16:43:49Z")
so day 2 it was me villager naf wolf episkey wolf today so far its me wolf but i also couldn’t be targeted by the same person two days in a row ppl seem to be targeting me a lot ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3683 "2011-08-29T16:44:11Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > If I was redirected then the pwnsall = wolf should still be false. > > If it’s NOT from me, we probably have an issue since pwnsall is one of my most clear villagers. I agree that the message is probably false. I think \*\*pwnsall \*\*is very likely to be town, too. I was thinking more about how you ended up with a message about \*\*pwnsall \*\*rather than **gnarlycharlie**. The most likely scenario I think is that there is someone else out there sending messages (and you ended up with one last Night) and you didn’t get a result because \*\*gnarly \*\*died. Or maybe someone else got a message about \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*and just hasn’t said anything yet. That would make sense since there were two messages sent last Night as well. Either way, I think what this means is that there is someone out there still (other than **Blaster** and you) who is sending potentially false information (whether purposely or not is the question, I guess). ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3684 "2011-08-29T16:48:27Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I wouldn’t mind a wagon on **Idle** but I am a Villager. I would like to know what happened to LightFoot last Night. If I am a roleblocker, as \*\*Idle \*\*says, then that should clinch it. I feel a warm glow ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3685 "2011-08-29T16:48:58Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **Special Ed** , no apparent result, the same as I have had every Night. That’s weird. \*\*Ed \*\*didn’t mention being blocked Night 1, did he? I thought he said he got no result. And if you were blocked, I assume you would have heard about it. So maybe you were redirected onto someone else who was blocked and hasn’t told us yet? Is it possible you aren’t the roleblocker? Maybe someone else targeted \*\*Idle \*\*on Night 2. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3686 "2011-08-29T16:50:33Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > so day 2 it was > > me villager > naf wolf > episkey wolf > > today so far its > me wolf > > but i also couldn’t be targeted by the same person two days in a row > > ppl seem to be targeting me a lot so first day it’s either true or random or always villager 2nd day it’s either random opposite or always wolf that doesn’t really help very much ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3687 "2011-08-29T16:54:20Z")
I’m not going to sort this out by myself so here goes N1 I targeted \*\* silman\*\* rec’d “No apparent result” \* except he woke up dead\*\* N2 I targeted \*\* crackedquads \*\* “No apparent result” \* still alive \*\* N3 I targeted \*\* gnarliecharly \*\* “No Apparent Result “ \* except he was shot \*\* (I didn’t think I was a killer and targeted gnarly was to see if I too was a mason) And I feel a warm glow from last Night - my added comments nothing that I was told If this is a good idea or not it may help other players determine their roles. I’m flummoxed and not sure how to help Town. The two deaths are different so I’m guessing they were not my kills. I obviously can’t save lives. And I don’t get told anything. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3688 "2011-08-29T16:54:54Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Why do you think the message about you is the one that \*\*ATPG \*\*got? Why not the message about **NAF**? (And try to think if there is some other reason other than it’s just false; I don’t know if it’s false or not.) It seems like there are other roles out there giving out information about alignment (true or otherwise). Isn’t it a possibility that someone else sent \*\*ATPG \*\*a message about you? Why would you have a role that sent a message about yourself that is wrong? > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Didn’t Pizza also say he receievd info that NAF was a wolf the same night he received info you were wolf Yes, he also received one for NAF. As I said earlier, I believe I’ve got a role that works with two people: I think I choose the target of who receives an investigation, and I think someone else chooses the target OF the investigation. I believe this because it’s the only way that makes sense to me since my targets got false messages about somebody else, yet I have nothing to do with those other people. I think the reason Pizza got a false message about my role is that whoever that other person is targeted me. So I chose pizza to get the investigation which the other person targeted me to declare who the investigation was on - and so he got a false message of me. I think these messages are “insane”; that is they come up reversed of what true roles are. I believe this to be the case because the alternative is that I’m “paranoid” and always get wolf back. Since a “paranoid” seer that also involves another person seems so ridiculously useless and antivillage (making it cost up two roles rather than one), I dont think Gad would put it in the game (idk if its ok to say reasoning such as that?). Therefore I think when a wolf is targeted, it’ll come back up town and we can lynch them. As for why me and not NAF being the result: I know for a certainty that mine is wrong, and so I believe I must be responsible for that one. **However, it just came to me that I MAY be responsible for BOTH if whoever the powered up person is chose BOTH me AND naf yesterday?** I know I can’t prove anything about this. That’s why I absolutely hate this role as it is. My “useful” power is to create panic and false information throughout my team? And in response I’m going to get a ton of heat throughout the game for it? It’s the worst role I’ve ever seen. It’s worse than the normal “insane” seer since at least it’s only ME getting that info normally. It’s worse than a miller (someone who is town but is investigated as scum). It sucks. All I ask is that you look at my body of work this game and my posts and make your judgement on that rather than my shitty role. 1. I’ve tried to protect villager Krayz all day d1 2. I’ve been a part (and not a late part) of a Blaster scum lynch 3. I didn’t pile onto Sanga when he made what apparently WAS a slip (side note: That does mean we have 5 wolves left now I assume) even though as scum I’d know it would have been a slip and would have the easiest “pile onto the teammate” chance ever. 4. I’ve been actively trying to figure out game mechanics, especially regarding the most complicated role in the game apparently (my own) 5. I’ve been analyzing wagons I may have been wrong on some reads throughout, but ffs I’m not perfect. I’m trying despite this role with built in heat. If theres something I’ve said or done that is scummy, then by all means vote me and let me discuss it. But please dont vote me based on having been randomed a shitty role + a dead investigator saying I’m not as wolfy as someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3689 "2011-08-29T16:55:45Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > That’s weird. \*\*Ed \*\*didn’t mention being blocked Night 1, did he? I thought he said he got no result. And if you were blocked, I assume you would have heard about it. So maybe you were redirected onto someone else who was blocked and hasn’t told us yet? Is it possible you aren’t the roleblocker? Maybe someone else targeted \*\*Idle \*\*on Night 2. I agree that I might not have been the only one to target **Idle** and now **LightFoot** says she feels a warm glow and I targeted her last night. I will have to check but didn’t \*\*Ed \*\*say something about a warm glow on D2? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3690 "2011-08-29T16:57:39Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I’m not going to sort this out by myself so here goes > N1 I targeted \*\* silman\*\* rec’d “No apparent result” \* except he woke up dead\*\* > N2 I targeted \*\* crackedquads \*\* “No apparent result” \* still alive \*\* > N3 I targeted \*\* gnarliecharly \*\* “No Apparent Result “ \* except he was shot \*\* > (I didn’t think I was a killer and targeted gnarly was to see if I too was a mason) > > And I feel a warm glow from last Night > > - my added comments nothing that I was told > > If this is a good idea or not it may help other players determine their roles. I’m flummoxed and not sure how to help Town. > The two deaths are different so I’m guessing they were not my kills. I obviously can’t save lives. And I don’t get told anything. Could you be an odd night vigilante? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3691 "2011-08-29T16:59:02Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Could you be an odd night vigilante? Er, nvm I just saw they were different types of deaths. If flavor is accurately describing kills then you can’t be. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3692 "2011-08-29T16:59:21Z")
yeah odd night vig is what i thought too went back to read the silman death takes me forever to find anything ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3693 "2011-08-29T17:01:06Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I agree that the message is probably false. I think \*\*pwnsall \*\*is very likely to be town, too. I was thinking more about how you ended up with a message about \*\*pwnsall \*\*rather than **gnarlycharlie**. The most likely scenario I think is that there is someone else out there sending messages (and you ended up with one last Night) and you didn’t get a result because \*\*gnarly \*\*died. Or maybe someone else got a message about \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*and just hasn’t said anything yet. That would make sense since there were two messages sent last Night as well. > > Either way, I think what this means is that there is someone out there still (other than **Blaster** and you) who is sending potentially false information (whether purposely or not is the question, I guess). Hmm, if someone else is sending false messages and gnarly died with the one I sent and I got someone elses, that would explain Pizza getting one on me and NAF\* too. \*under the assumption NAF IS actually town. Have we cleared him somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3694 "2011-08-29T17:01:38Z")
looks like n1 had no flavour so could be his kills maybe need to add up kills ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3695 "2011-08-29T17:02:16Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > yeah odd night vig is what i thought too > > went back to read the silman death > > takes me forever to find anything Take a look at my sig. I need to update it for yesterday’s results, but it points you to Day One and Day Two. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3696 "2011-08-29T17:03:23Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > The only result that we do know for a fact though is **gnarly** , however I think you could be right that the other 2 are false as well. \*\*Pizza \*\*was told that both you and NAF were wolves. Does this mean that we should soft clear them for now? Maybe one of **Pizza** ’s results is correct. Well, I think to figure this out we need to determine if the message I received today was from me. If someone redirected me it’s certainly mine, which means one of yesterdays could be correct. If this pwnsall message isn’t mine, with my belief that pwnsall is as close to a lock villager as we can get right now it means we have TWO people sending false messages, which would explain Pizza having me and NAF ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3697 "2011-08-29T17:04:34Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > yes. I wouldn’t have known it except that at Dawn this morning, aside from ffeling healthy, I was given a complete role PM with my power outlined. Found what I was looking for,\*\* Ed\*\* felt healthy, he didn’t say anything about a warm glow. I do remember someone else saying they felt a warm glow though, apart from **LightFoot** obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3698 "2011-08-29T17:05:06Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Take a look at my sig. I need to update it for yesterday’s results, but it points you to Day One and Day Two. i dont see a sig … ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3699 "2011-08-29T17:05:34Z")
meh, n1 i got roleblocked n2 i was “successful” on **bufftabby** n3 i got no results which seems different from roleblocked on **crackedquads** didn’t really want to out the roleblock result in case it would let wolves know who their rber is but whatever, it’s another reason i was suspecting 2p2ers may be wolves and i suspect crackedquads now even more ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3700 "2011-08-29T17:06:41Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > i dont see a sig … i clicked on his name and view profile ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3701 "2011-08-29T17:09:13Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > I thought eod was later than it was, and by the time day started I got caught up in having to explain that I cannot be peeked here ever (again, I know due to my role, you all should know based on how he discussed me) that I never got a chance to. I don’t understand what you mean about how you cannot be peeked here ever. Are you trying to scare off any potential investigators? > [@Episkey](#): > > Yes, I know that you jumped on and then back off. You were on pretty much everyone other than blaster D2 and I found it scummy with the way wagons developed (as I explained in my analysis). By “pretty much on everyone other than blaster”, do you mean \*\*Inner \*\*and **Scuba**? Because those are the two votes I had yesterDay. And I wasn’t “on” Inner at any point during the Day. The main reason for my vote was because I didn’t think Blaster was scum. You seem to be making quite an exaggeration there. Are there others that you noticed that I have forgotten? > [@Episkey](#): > > As for the question between what I think is different b/w you and pwnsall, I believe him actively voting for Blaster late is vastly different from you jumping off towards the end onto another wagon. Pwnsall made a decisive vote ONTO a wolf, and I believe him to be town for it (also as evident from my receiving a message on him saying otherwise and not believing it for a second). You just got your message toDay so using that as a reason to accept pwnsall’s vote yesterDay doesn’t make any sense. > [@Episkey](#): > > I think you got caught into a spot where you were stuck. You didn’t want to bus your teammate, but you couldn’t have jumped from wagon to wagon to wagon against him because it would look too bad. So you jumped off while the wagon was still gaining a lot of steam. Now, if Blaster is lynched (like he was)you get no heat for being on the other wagon, and if you do you can say “well at least I jumped off!”. If Blaster isn’t lynched and we lynch a villager, you can say “I knew I needed to get off him!”. > > Thats why I think the “scum wouldn’t waste that chance” doesn’t apply to you, because HAD you of stayed on you were the easiest scum to decipher off of it. > > Finding slots where scum would be stuck and forced to do weird things - like I believe you were forced to do on D2 - has been a successful method in me finding them. And so I voted you for it. The bottom line is that I really think ending the Day in a tie is not good for town and that is what really drove my decision. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=184) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=186)