# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/381 "2011-08-18T00:35:05Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Which question/where? holy fudge **normal** keep the fucking up. it was back on page 2 or 3. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/382 "2011-08-18T00:36:42Z")
and folks really my work here is done. i have to get ready for an out of town trip. you’ve either bagged yourself a bunch of scum or a bunch of dumb ass townies. either way just nail them in the Days to come and you will be all right. at least on one of them i can assure you that. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/383 "2011-08-18T00:45:26Z")
**peek** the holes in swiss cheese will show you the path to freedom **sneekpeek** what the heck? **peek** i really think that because i am it makes sense that no other thoughts can be as foundationaly strong as carne guisada tacos. **sneekpeek** what the heck? **peek** gotta trust me on this one kind of like those chicks that liked ted bundy. **sneekpeek** what the heck? **peek** no seriously. **sneekpeek** what the heck? **peek** look into the clouds. **sneekpeek** gotcha. **vote giraffe** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/384 "2011-08-18T00:48:20Z")
trying to be subtle and all that shit, don’t you know. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/385 "2011-08-18T00:59:13Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > He’s referring to my vote on **DanceCat** , which I moved onto him after our exchange about it. dude. the only fucking exchange was me calling bullshit, voting your scummy ass and then you voting me. twas not any more fucking exchange than that. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/386 "2011-08-18T01:06:55Z")
Quick and dirty post from my iPad. **Guiri** , are you saying that **Scathatch** made a slip in his post that indicated that he’s sad that **peeker** might be a better scum in future games? If so, why do you think that has any bearing on this particular game? There’s a lot of metagaming going on here. Not that we have much to go on Day One, but I’m wondering how much meta stuff goes on with our new friends on their board. Is using people’s past play to predict current alignment something that happens frequently there? Just to get a vote down since the game is moving so fast, I’m going to go ahead and **vote Guiri** His vote doesn’t exactly fit into my “Person who points out scum slip based on PIS is usually Scum” theory, but it’s close enough for me to find it a bit suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/387 "2011-08-18T01:09:45Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and btw, **naf** i just copied and pasted that comment into my documents. i will use it in the future on this and the other boards. Good, do. I almost hope I am wrong for your sake and the sake of future games you play in. I don’t think I am, but it would be sort of nice to know you shook that tell. The NAFlette is great. We took her to Sesame Place, a Sesame Street theme park, yesterday and she had a blast. She is just getting old enough to really appreciate that sort of thing. She got a stuffed Elmo toy and is totally in love. 🙂 We also got some professional pictures taken so I will try to post those as well as some of the pic from the trip to GBB in the next week or so. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/388 "2011-08-18T01:11:11Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Which question/where? He asked me in one of his first posts what I targeted him with. I didn’t answer because by the time I saw the post there wasn’t really a need to correct him on how Night actions work. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/389 "2011-08-18T01:21:04Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > \ > > There’s a lot of metagaming going on here. Not that we have much to go on Day One, but I’m wondering how much meta stuff goes on with our new friends on their board. Is using people’s past play to predict current alignment something that happens frequently there? There’s a decent amount of compare/contrast against a person’s previous town/scum games trying to find significant trends from one or the other. It’s never the end all be all of course, but just another data point for us to go on. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/390 "2011-08-18T01:33:27Z")
and not to be mean folks that are voting for me for my scum tell. shame on you. shame on you. if you think me that shitty of a player then fuck no wonder i win so much.; (72 percent and counting). you should really take your blinders off and not let your jealously get in the way so fucking much. all i have to do is play to a preconceived notion and then voila i am what you say i am. nimwhits. seriously **giraffe** has the only vote on me that makes sense. and that is omgys. but as scum i kind of expect him to do that. the rest of you clowns fall merely into the idiot category. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/391 "2011-08-18T01:40:45Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Good, do. I almost hope I am wrong for your sake and the sake of future games you play in. I don’t think I am, but it would be sort of nice to know you shook that tell. > > The NAFlette is great. We took her to Sesame Place, a Sesame Street theme park, yesterday and she had a blast. She is just getting old enough to really appreciate that sort of thing. She got a stuffed Elmo toy and is totally in love. 🙂 We also got some professional pictures taken so I will try to post those as well as some of the pic from the trip to GBB in the next week or so. first. woot woot. put 'em on giraffe. second. i’d like to place a bet. when i flip town you post “ **peeker** is the greatest player ever. for me to even think that he is not telling the truth makes me as dumb as a stump” for all succeeding games we play in (or maybe just 5 - 10). my counter will be that you can compose anything that you want for the first post that i make in any succeeding said number of games regarding yourself or me. deal? got nutz to back up your vote or bluck bluck? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/392 "2011-08-18T01:41:20Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and not to be mean folks that are voting for me for my scum tell. shame on you. shame on you. if you think me that shitty of a player then fuck no wonder i win so much.; (72 percent and counting). you should really take your blinders off and not let your jealously get in the way so fucking much. all i have to do is play to a preconceived notion and then voila i am what you say i am. nimwhits. seriously **giraffe** has the only vote on me that makes sense. and that is omgys. but as scum i kind of expect him to do that. the rest of you clowns fall merely into the idiot category. You realise that this is what you say every time you get caught out as scum right? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/393 "2011-08-18T01:41:47Z")
Ok, I’ve gone back and reread from my comment to dancecat all the way through giraffe’s vote to peeker. > [@Episkey](#): > > \ > Hey dancecat, you don’t seem too excited this game. Same old same old? > [@Dancecat](#): > > Sup fool? > > I’m trying to keep it to a dull roar so that I don’t ruffle any feathers. 😉 Somehow I don’t think spamming the thread endlessly and verbally bitchslapping everyone who pisses me off would bode very well here. I’ve already elaborated the purpose of my comment and how it was based on some Meta with dancecat and her typical feelings on the game. The thing is, obviously nobody from here knows this meta, so instead you have to look at it at face value. I can see how it can be seen as: 1. I notice dancecat isn’t excited 2. I ask whats up with that 3. Dancecat says she’s just trying to be non-confrontational And therefore deduced that Dancecat is playing differently than I am used to with the reasoning being not trying to stir things up. The next logical progression is “Why is she acting differently on the new board”, which can easily be viewed as “maybe she is nervous about being scum against people she doesn’t know and doesn’t want to be the center of controversy”. > [@Episkey](#): > > While you were describing “verbally bitchslapping” people it hit me: I have no clue what a villager game of yours looks like. I think you’ve been evil every game I’ve played with you? > > Has that streak been broken? > [@Dancecat](#): > > \ > I’m overjoyed to report that it has, and I finally get to be a villager again. This is relevant to note that while I’ve played games with Dancecat, I have not played a game with her where she was town. It will be become more relevant later. > [@Giraffe](#): > > Interesting. While it’s almost too obvious, this fits my pattern of typical scum on Day one (following the action but staying quieter than usual, trying not to ruffle feathers) so well that I think it’s worth a vote at this point. > > **vote Dancecat** With what I said above, I can see a logical thought process for this vote, and it is internally consistent thus far. > [@Dancecat](#): > > Um, I’ve been pretty loud and opinionated thus far. Not sure why you think I’m purposefully trying to blend in; I’m merely trying to keep my personal style of playing in check since it can be VERY abrasive and I’m new to this board. Dancecat explaining her reasoning for not wanting to ruffle feathers. I can confirm it can be abrasive, and think this makes logical sense as well. > [@Episkey](#): > > I mean has it been broken before this game? > I was randed scum two big games in a row last month and it was exhausting. When the next game came around and I was town again I was thrilled and really excited/eager to player and it showed. > > I know you’re scum situation was much longer than mine and it worries me that you’re not nearly as excited as I’ve envisioned you being when the streak broke. > [@Dancecat](#): > > Yeah it was like 9 games or something. I subbed in as a villager in donkx4’s game that ran last week or the week before or something, so this isn’t my first non-scum game in months. > [@Episkey](#): > > Alright, I can put my skeptical face back in the drawer then Here is where I learn this WOULDN’T be the first town game for dancecat in the previous 10, and erases any worry I had about why she wouldn’t be more excited to start. > [@Giraffe](#): > > Fair enough, I should have said “playing differently than usual” rather than “staying quieter than usual.” Still, reading back through your early posts, I’m not hating my vote. If a brash player were to find themselves Wolf on an unfamiliar board, this is kind of the by-the-book style I’d expect: post a lot, but about strategy and other safe topics, throw an early vote on someone for an anti-Town proposal. > > I’m sure someone will come along who is scummier than you, but I think this is a good place to leave my vote for now. I think this also follows his/her previous point logically, and remains internally consistent. > [@Giraffe](#): > > On this board: one. (Town, and I think I got lynched the first Day.) > On my board: maybe six? The last one I got lynched the first Day (as scum), in large part because I loudly and dramatically bemoaned how terrible I am at Mafia. So I’m definitely not going to do that, but don’t get too riled up by my vote because I really am fairly terrible at this game. 😉 > [@Dancecat](#): > > Very useful info on Giraffe (and that’s how I got the posting numbers for this game; it is a technique in which I’m well-versed 🙂 ) > > I don’t think anybody who’s reading what I’ve written could legitimately argue that I haven’t posted anything controversial. In fact, I was pretty much the first person to call NAF’s idea out, and generated a lot of discussion around it. > > Ok, that’s what I needed to know. In that case, your vote on me isn’t made for scummy reasons (even though it’s still wrong). If you were an experienced player and made that post, it would be a major scumtell since someone who’d played 20+ games and had read the posts I’ve made here would know better. The orange part of this exchange is very important to me. Rather than “your vote is bad, I vote you”, Dancecat comes in and gets more information from Giraffe, and then uses the information that Giraffe is relatively new to deduce it’s not for scummy reasons. If Dancecat was scum, she had an easy reason to vote Giraffe here that would garnish very little heat and chose not to take it. As scum, I have seen Dancecat take these spots. Dancecat gets a villager lean from me for now. > [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > they just did. > > **vote giraffe** > [@Giraffe](#): > > That’s just lazy. > [@peekercpa](#): > > how is it lazy? you make a vote based on one reason and then say something totally opposite of your initial reason. feels like you got called bullshit and you knew it. > [@Giraffe](#): > > It’s lazy to jump on me for my vote. Opportunistic. > > And read the posts that I quoted in my vote. One of the 2+2 guys says “hey Dancecat, you’re being quieter than usual, wtf?” he says “loo loo loo, just trying not to get in trouble” which seems suspicious to me. Turns out he’s not actually being quiet, so I shouldn’t have taken the other poster’s word on that, but reading his posts, the “consciously trying to post carefully” does seem evident, so I think my original feeling still stands. > > It was never about the quietness, it was about the change in behavior. For example, if I was playing with you on a different board and all of a sudden you’re capitalizing things and not yelling at everybody, I’d be suspicious of that as well. I think Giraffe responded well to Peekers vote here as well. Again, his defense/explanation is logical and consistent with what he’s been saying so far. It makes sense if he read my initial comment to Dancecat in a manner which I stated earlier. > [@Episkey](#): > > I feel like I need to elaborate on my quote that started this. I commented to dancecat that she didn’t seem overly excited, and asked if it’s “same old, same old?”. I asked this because she - to my knowledge - had not been able to play a game as town in approx 10 of them. Knowing how much she’s hated playing as scum lately, I figured she’s be extremely excited about being Town if she was one here. I didn’t really notice that, so I asked her what was up. > > However, there apparently was a recent game seeing her subbing into a game and getting to play as town, so the whole “she should be excited” thing doesn’t matter anymore. > > I am not longer skeptical as of right now. > [@Giraffe](#): > > Thanks for the clarification, I do think I misread your comment as being a more significant observation of her behavior than it was. > > Anyway, I’m now more suspicious of peeker for eagerly jumping on an easy vote, so: > > **unvote DanceCat** > **vote peeker** Once I elaborate further, Giraffe realizes he misread my initial comment, causing his entire reasoning for his vote to become incorrect. Rather than continue with his vote stubbornly, he gives another townie-like response to Peeker’s vote. His entire thought process and logical reasoning from start to finish in this episode feels genuine. I will consider him a town lean for now as well. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/394 "2011-08-18T01:42:53Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > first. woot woot. put 'em on giraffe. > > second. i’d like to place a bet. when i flip town you post “ **peeker** is the greatest player ever. for me to even think that he is not telling the truth makes me as dumb as a stump” for all succeeding games we play in (or maybe just 5 - 10). > > my counter will be that you can compose anything that you want for the first post that i make in any succeeding said number of games regarding yourself or me. deal? > > got nutz to back up your vote or bluck bluck? Deal ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/395 "2011-08-18T01:43:56Z")
btw, i’ll take that bet on anyone currently betting me or that chooses to bet me in the future. and that is not a wiggle for toDay, that’s for the whole game. wonder who has some balls in this fucker. i’m going to make a side bet that **giraffe** and **ed** don’t take me up on this. anyone wants some side action on that i will also entertain. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/396 "2011-08-18T01:45:00Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You realise that this is what you say every time you get caught out as scum right? take my bet then chickenshit. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/397 "2011-08-18T01:46:24Z")
forever? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/398 "2011-08-18T01:48:58Z")
bueno. i hope you play in a hell of a lot of games from here on **naf**. you are younger than me so my legacy will live on longer than i am around. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/399 "2011-08-18T01:49:29Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > btw, i’ll take that bet on anyone currently betting me or that chooses to bet me in the future. and that is not a wiggle for toDay, that’s for the whole game. > > wonder who has some balls in this fucker. i’m going to make a side bet that **giraffe** and **ed** don’t take me up on this. anyone wants some side action on that i will also entertain. I’ll take that bet. Ten games, if you flip not-town, your first post will be a paragraph listing five facts about John Quincy Adams. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/400 "2011-08-18T01:54:48Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Good, do. I almost hope I am wrong for your sake and the sake of future games you play in. I don’t think I am, but it would be sort of nice to know you shook that tell. > > The NAFlette is great. We took her to Sesame Place, a Sesame Street theme park, yesterday and she had a blast. She is just getting old enough to really appreciate that sort of thing. She got a stuffed Elmo toy and is totally in love. 🙂 We also got some professional pictures taken so I will try to post those as well as some of the pic from the trip to GBB in the next week or so. I have to find that thread on GBB, and maybe add MiniZer to it. She’s around 9 months now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=21)