# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 200
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3982 "2011-08-30T15:04:32Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I see. It still seems to me that you get two actions toNight, though, don’t you think? Wouldn’t you get to use mine on someone and NP’s on someone else? I just realized that this probably isn’t the way it works because you would have to know your role to know that you could submit two targets toNight, i.e., know that because you targeted two people that you now have two powers that can directed independently of each other. What probably happens is that whoever you target will get both mine and NP’s actions directed to them. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3983 "2011-08-30T15:12:05Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I just realized that this probably isn’t the way it works because you would have to know your role to know that you could submit two targets toNight, i.e., know that because you targeted two people that you now have two powers that can directed independently of each other. What probably happens is that whoever you target will get both mine and NP’s actions directed to them. That’s an interesting thought. I was thinking it would get randomized one or the other. Either way, I want to know what you and NP think I should do. You both probably have better handles on your powers than I do. I don’t need to know your reasoning, but let me know a couple of people you think I should target. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3984 "2011-08-30T15:38:39Z")
Just catching up…a few questions/comments that came up as I read through this morning… > [@bufftabby](#): > > I also targeted **buff** Night Two. The only message I received was IRT the warm glow. bufftabby, I can’t tell if you are referring to yourself in the 3rd-person here, or if you are quoting someone else and botched the coding. Are you saying you targeted yourself on Night 2? > [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\* SuburbanP\*\* > Your knowledge of my redirection D2 fits nicely me being a killer. > > Your comment about \*\* gnarlie’s \*\* death can’t be true because you did not target me N3 (although I could still be a killer anyway) > > Does Scum want me to look like a Killer to hide some of their kills? > > I’d be any easy lynch since I keep killing Town? > > Is there something else afoot here? > [@LightFoot](#): > > if I do what I think I do and you do what you think you do I’m fine with that. I win with Town My comment about gnarly’s death was a mistake, caused by inattention due to job duties 🙂 You have targeted three people. One Night you were redirected from your intended target. All three people that you \*actually \*visited turned up dead in the morning. Therefore I am 99 44/100% certain you are a Vig/SK. If you want to test your power by having **Drain Bead** reflect it back onto yourself, please feel free to do so, because it will save the Town having to decide what to do with you. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Holy crap that’s a good catch. It’s only a good catch if you believe that anything in particular that \*\*Idle \*\*has told us is true. > [@DonkTimesFour](#): > > **vote: Idle thoughts** This is the sum total of your contribution Today. Might you have anything else to add? > [@septimus](#): > > It’s time to do a mass claim. Not role claims, just lists of targets night-by-night. ToDay is a good for it since the Lynch is a foregone conclusion. Moreover, Townies will soon be asked to reveal targets anyway, so it’s better to get Scum on record before they can devise lies. > > The target lists may clarify things. Scum will out themselves if they’re truthful, but lies will also be detectable. > > I’d reveal my own targets now, except I think it would be better for a confirmed Townie to impose an order, to make it more likely that Scum claim first. > > Unfortunately our most confirmed Townies are dead. ☹ . But perhaps we have some “soft-cleared” semi-confirmed Townie we could agree on, e.g. **special ed**. (Even if we can’t agree on a single list-maker, we could have 2 or 3 lists and average them down to a single list.) If you think it’s time for a mass claim of some sort, then why don’t you start with yourself? Sort of a “show of good faith”, instead of waiting for a “Confirmed Townie” who doesn’t actually exist at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3985 "2011-08-30T15:45:32Z")
I forgot a couple things, both regarding **Episkey**. First, **Episkey** , you keep saying that you are one half of a Paranoid/Insane Cop combo, you targeted \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*last Night, and since gnarly was killed the result that would have gone to gnarly reflected back onto you. This makes no sense to me, given what we know at the moment. Do you have some evidence which directly supports the idea of your ability reflecting back to you upon your target’s death? Second, can someone please sum up the case against \*\*Episkey \*\*today? He was the only person to receive votes Today before \*\*Idle’s \*\*slip, but I’m not sure exactly why he kept picking up votes. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3986 "2011-08-30T15:54:14Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > It’s only a good catch if you believe that anything in particular that \*\*Idle \*\*has told us is true. No it’s not. That’s only true if you are using it against Episkey. If you are looking at it as PIS about me then it is in fact a really good catch. Idle didn’t take me into consideration when writing that bit. It could go either way for Episkey, but it shows that Idle knows I am town. That isn’t what Ben meant, unfortunately, but it was still a good catch. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3987 "2011-08-30T16:09:43Z")
Since there will be no real voting record today \*\* vote Idle \*\* Damned if I do and damned if I don’t. It’s obvious he will be lynched so my vote leaves no real record. But If I don’t vote him someone will pile on me for that too. (my current voting record is atrocious I know that) As to my powers……. (and I still find it odd that N3 my target was shot ) If I am not blocked I have an idea for toNight. The mimic could target me and if I end up dead and I am a killer you will have that power for one more day. If my idea doesn’t work \*and \* I live then the reflector probably should target me the next Night to get me out of the mele. (unless y’all decide I can distract the role blocker for a while) I don’t like killing random Town any more than you all do. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3988 "2011-08-30T16:16:17Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > No it’s not. That’s only true if you are using it against Episkey. If you are looking at it as PIS about me then it is in fact a really good catch. Idle didn’t take me into consideration when writing that bit. It could go either way for Episkey, but it shows that Idle knows I am town. That isn’t what Ben meant, unfortunately, but it was still a good catch. I don’t actually have an informed opinion of this particular subtopic at the moment, because I never got the chance yesterday evening review events in light of Idle’s outing as a Wolf. I’m attempting to do that review now, so I’ll refrain from agreeing or disagreeing with you here for the moment. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3989 "2011-08-30T16:22:40Z")
we should have a second wagon with a couple votes in case there is a day angel i prefer cracked ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3990 "2011-08-30T16:27:30Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > we should have a second wagon with a couple votes in case there is a day angel > > i prefer cracked I don’t think that we have any roles with Day actions per the rules. Also, why would \*\*Idle \*\*be any more likely to be a day angel (saved by a day angel? I’m not sure what a day angel is) than anyone else we’ve lynched? Why are you voting for \*\*crackedquads \*\*anyway? I don’t recall seeing any reasons, just the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3991 "2011-08-30T16:28:31Z")
Day angel? pretty sure there are no day roles ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3992 "2011-08-30T16:38:22Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > If you think it’s time for a mass claim of some sort, then why don’t you start with yourself? Sort of a “show of good faith”, instead of waiting for a “Confirmed Townie” who doesn’t actually exist at this point. If/when a majority of players agree to the mass claim, I volunteer to go first if that’s really what we need to get Mr. Plankton on board. But I don’t want to claim unilaterally for the reason I implied earlier: _ **the claims trickling out from Townies lately benefit Scum more than Town** _ because Scum are in a better position to understand bits of information. The mass claim, with Scum obliged to claim also, is how to exploit the claiming process against them. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3993 "2011-08-30T17:35:01Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > **Idle** , assuming you’ve accurately betrayed the entire Scum team, why would us Town get anywhere near the brink of losing? Is there something else you’d like to share? NAF, Episkey, Pwnsall, and septimus are the final scum remaining…so unless you actually believe me and lynch those people…then yes, you would obviously lose. > [@lilflower](#): > > I don’t think that we have any roles with Day actions per the rules. Also, why would \*\*Idle \*\*be any more likely to be a day angel (saved by a day angel? I’m not sure what a day angel is) than anyone else we’ve lynched? > > Why are you voting for \*\*crackedquads \*\*anyway? I don’t recall seeing any reasons, just the vote. _coughscumcough_ ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3994 "2011-08-30T17:46:30Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > NAF, Episkey, Pwnsall, and septimus are the final scum remaining…so unless you actually believe me and lynch those people…then yes, you would obviously lose. > > _coughscumcough_ Ok, side bet. Who wants to guess how many actual scum are in the list? I will bet 5 noprizes that there is exactly 1 scum on the list. Anyone else want to make a guess? It will entertain the people playing at home. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3995 "2011-08-30T17:48:03Z")
I will bet 10,000,000 prizes that there are either no scum on my list…or that they are all scum. I’ll win. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3996 "2011-08-30T17:56:35Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I will bet 10,000,000 prizes that there are either no scum on my list…or that they are all scum. > > I’ll win. You don’t get to bet, you already know. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3997 "2011-08-30T17:58:35Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You don’t get to bet, you already know. Interesting reply. That you wouldn’t say something like “So there are no scum listed there” if you knew that you weren’t scum yourself. Because I said either none were or they all were. I think that’s a very telling response. I’d take note of it people. It’s the little things like that that catch scum. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3998 "2011-08-30T17:59:30Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I don’t think that we have any roles with Day actions per the rules. Also, why would \*\*Idle \*\*be any more likely to be a day angel (saved by a day angel? I’m not sure what a day angel is) than anyone else we’ve lynched? > > Why are you voting for \*\*crackedquads \*\*anyway? I don’t recall seeing any reasons, just the vote. day angel isn’t a day action, it’s a night action that prevents a player from being lynched the next day i have talked about cracked a decent amount but basically he’s said things i think are wrong and he should know better about and he would never try to get away with on our boards i also still think there are 2p2er wolves tho that’s a bit thin but combined with their deaths and my being blocked n1 his lack of contribution recently also isn’t helping ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3999 "2011-08-30T18:01:17Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > day angel isn’t a day action, it’s a night action that prevents a player from being lynched the next day Actually, you’re the one who’s wrong. Day angel IS a Day action. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4000 "2011-08-30T18:15:33Z")
Should we all just block **Idle** , he’s making my head spin. If he is a Traitor (confirmed by his death) then I would take more notice of what he says. At the moment I know he has lied so I am not going to accept anything he says at the moment as truth. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4001 "2011-08-30T18:22:43Z")
I’m going to die anyway…so why would I bother trying to feed you worthless info that would just be revealed to be bunk upon my death? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=199) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=201)