# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 201
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4002 "2011-08-30T18:22:56Z")
I think **Idle** ’s message he received about my role is something that goes apart from who he claims he targeted. This was the result of someone else’s action. I don’t particularly want to know who targeted me, because I don’t want you outed. I’m guessing that **Idle** is our Scum Mystic, and the results of other Mystics are going to him. If that’s the case, I’m pretty much confirmed…and therefore likely dead toNight, sadly. I’m not ready to stop playing this game! What **Idle** said about my role is consistent with my actions…with one exception, potentially not an exception at all, but I thought I’d mention it. I targeted **gnarlycharlie** Night 2. Since I had targeted **Scuba Ben** the first Night, and he reported in the thread that he was able to submit two targets the following Night, I thought I might be a power doubler, and if I was wrong, it’s possible I was another Mason, and if I was wrong about THAT, I might help the Mason find another Mason. I didn’t know shit about the Mason kill then, of course. The inconsistency here I guess revolves around kill mechanics. We don’t know if **charlie** was responsible for the Mason kill–it could have been **Texcat** , or it could be charged to the Masons as a group with neither player directly responsible. If I were a reflector, it might have been the case that I should have reflected the Mason kill back on **charlie**. But I didn’t. That’s the only thing that might make **Idle** wrong. But we’ll find out soon enough, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4003 "2011-08-30T18:26:03Z")
You’re right,\*\* Drain Bead\*\*. The info came from **Septimus** as one of his “Other messages” during the Night. Being a cop (but getting alignment only results, not full role), we assumed he was part of the group that got random messages from other cop-like roles. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4004 "2011-08-30T18:27:54Z")
And I’ve already told you… **Brewha** killed off **Gnarly** and we (scum) Night killed **astral**. So **Texcat** ’s kill is the mysterious one. Seriously, why would I lie about this? I’m dead anyway. It would be a waste of my time alllll this time if it was all going to just prove false with my death. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4005 "2011-08-30T18:30:58Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I’m going to die anyway…so why would I bother trying to feed you worthless info that would just be revealed to be bunk upon my death? Because you are scum and you have made me doubt myself for days, I am even thinking that Episkey might not be scum when I was so sure he was. If you aren’t a traitor you still win with the scum team. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4006 "2011-08-30T18:32:01Z")
Not sure why I’m arguing with you, but I’m talking about N2, not N3. I wonder why my reflection of **gnarlycharlie** didn’t kill him then, but since I don’t know the mechanics of the Mason kill, I can’t say for sure that it even should have. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4007 "2011-08-30T18:32:20Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Seriously, why would I lie about this? I’m dead anyway. It would be a waste of my time alllll this time if it was all going to just prove false with my death. It wouldn’t be the first time someone did that. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4008 "2011-08-30T18:38:07Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Not sure why I’m arguing with you, but I’m talking about N2, not N3. I wonder why my reflection of **gnarlycharlie** didn’t kill him then, but since I don’t know the mechanics of the Mason kill, I can’t say for sure that it even should have. I’m thinking the Masons chose not to kill anyone a few Nights. I seem to remember a few Nights where we (scum) could explain all the Night kills (because most of them only had three or so deaths thus far…with the exception of the last Night). ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4009 "2011-08-30T18:54:31Z")
**SOME MODERATOR NOTES** > [@pwnsall](#): > > day angel isn’t a day action, it’s a night action that prevents a player from being lynched the next day > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Actually, you’re the one who’s wrong. Day angel IS a Day action. For what it’s worth, pwnsall is correct. If there was a day angel in this game (and there may or may not be), the choice of target to be angeled the following day would be a night action. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I’m thinking the Masons chose not to kill anyone a few Nights. I seem to remember a few Nights where we (scum) could explain all the Night kills (because most of them only had three or so deaths thus far…with the exception of the last Night). As their role reveals indicate, the Masons were obliged to submit a target to be killed on each and every night after they found each other. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4010 "2011-08-30T18:55:58Z")
**DAY FOUR VOTE COUNT** Idle Thoughts (14): septimus [3753], Episkey [3755], special ed [3764], Scathach [3769], Scuba\_Ben [3780], lilflower [3781], Giraffe [3798], Drain Bead [3803], PCM [3804], DonkTimesFour [3835], [del]Weedy [3847][/del], NAF1138 [3850], Silver Jan [3952], Zeriel [3962], LightFoot [3986] NAF1138 (1): [del]Idle Thoughts [3838][/del], Weedy [3856], [del]Idle Thoughts [3860][/del] crackedquads (1): pwnsall [3901] pwnsall (1): Idle Thoughts [3924] Episkey (0): [del]Drain Bead [3624][/del], [del]Weedy [3641][/del], [del]Scuba\_Ben [3724][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [3727][/del], [del]Silver Jan [3732][/del], [del]lilflower [3737][/del] special ed (0): [del]Idle Thoughts [3795][/del] Weedy (0): [del]Idle Thoughts [3849][/del] Please PM me with any corrections. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4011 "2011-08-30T19:06:57Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > For what it’s worth, pwnsall is correct. If there was a day angel in this game (and there may or may not be), the choice of target to be angeled the following day would be a night action. Dammit, Gad. I know that. I was just trying to goad pwnsall into talking/arguing with me. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4012 "2011-08-30T20:23:31Z")
Ok, I am of to bed, please don’t make my jaw drop tomorrow morning 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4013 "2011-08-30T20:32:32Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Ok, I am of to bed, please don’t make my jaw drop tomorrow morning 🙂 There is a dirty joke in there somewhere! ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4014 "2011-08-30T22:11:49Z")
Posting as I catch up, my apologies if this has already been covered. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Ok. Let’s start over starting here. > > I believe that Idle’s original claim was 100% truthful except for his botched win condition. I did not know what my power did until the point where he claimed. Up until that point I thought I was a flavor of Cop or Doc based on things I had seen go on in the thread. \ > > Night 0 I targeted Peeker, it was the only power that worked that Night. I was told that it had no noticeable effect. At the end of Day 1 I still didn’t know what I did so I targeted Ed who was high on my suspicion list but who I didn’t have a case for. Again nothing noticeable happened. So Night 2 I directed my power to myself thinking that maybe it would give me more info about the power and how to use it. I was told that I gained a double target the following Night. I asked Gad if that was the result of my power or an outside power and he said he couldn’t tell me. > > Ed claimed and I thought he targeted me so I vocally supported his claimed power as real. He said he didn’t target me so I assumed he was redirected. By this point I had decided that my power was non hurtful so I targeted two of the players I figured were likely town (you and NP). ToDay Idle claimed to know what my power did, and it made the whole thing with Ed make total sense. It explained why Ed wasn’t told he was redirected. It explained why I got the double anyway. It didn’t explain what happens toNight to my power and Gad hasn’t told me. > > BEFORE Idle claimed I had planned on using the power on myself again just to see what happened. That was when I still didn’t know what I did. All I knew was that I didn’t seem to do anything harmful, and I figured repeating the power on me might give me some useful information about figuring out what was going on. So in the quote where you underlined me saying “originally I was going to use my power on myself” that is what I meant. If you notice right before that I say that I haven’t decided what I was going to do with the power. That indecision is now that I know what my power does. So to translate my own quote Ed asks “whattcha gonna do with that power toNight” I answer “Well now that I know that it does, I am not really sure what to do with it. Before I knew what it was I was going to target myself but now I don’t know.” > > Clear? So, wait… You target me on Night 1, supposedly stealing my power, but then you use my power on night 2 to target yourself. So that on Night 3, you get 3 powers? Somewhere you said you get 1 target. Do both of your actions go towards that person? And you have no idea what they do? otherwise you would have known what my pwoer was going to do to you. Did I get that right? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4015 "2011-08-30T22:14:38Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > However, **ed** is claimed Third Party (of unknown win condition) by a claimed Scum Traitor. Without reasonably knowing ed’s side, I wouldn’t use him. Are you putting credence in the 3rd party power doubler as well? Since when does an outed Scum’s word even mean anything? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4016 "2011-08-30T22:19:58Z")
That’s exactly the excuse you’d use if you were a third party. But just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you\* \*More simply: Just because I’m scum doesn’t mean I’m not telling the truth about you. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4017 "2011-08-30T22:28:20Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Posting as I catch up, my apologies if this has already been covered. > > So, wait… > > You target me on Night 1, supposedly stealing my power, but then you use my power on night 2 to target yourself. So that on Night 3, you get 3 powers? > > Somewhere you said you get 1 target. Do both of your actions go towards that person? And you have no idea what they do? > > otherwise you would have known what my pwoer was going to do to you. > > Did I get that right? Only two target (unless you count the mimic power as 1 in which case three is right.) Sounds like you have as good an understanding as I do. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4018 "2011-08-30T22:58:57Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Only two target (unless you count the mimic power as 1 in which case three is right.) Sounds like you have as good an understanding as I do. So, do you use your power on a target and steal their power? So, N0, you steal peeker’s power You become a Lightening Rod, all actions directed at your target reflect onto you. N!, you target me. You steal my power doubling power. Also, any action targeting me should have hit you. N2, you target yourself, stealing you own power stealing power and also doubling your power. Then, on N3, you targeted lilflower and Normal Phase, stealing their powers. And now, on N$, you’ll have to target 1 person with your power, Normal’s power, and lilflower’s power? ```auto With bufftabby mum, I'm left to assume that I didn't actually have my power on N2. Which leads me to believe that peeker did not have his power on N!, and lilflower and Normal Phase might be powerless toNight. ~~~~~~~~~~ I think I got what you're saying. I see no real holes in it. ``` ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4019 "2011-08-30T23:00:46Z")
Sorry I’ve missed like the last 5 days guys. I’ve been very busy irl and once I started to get behind it just became too overwhelming to keep up with this thread. Skimming through now and I’ll add whatever I can as we go but I don’t think I’m going to be rereading the last 800 posts. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4020 "2011-08-30T23:15:13Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Since when does an outed Scum’s word even mean anything? Frankly, at this point, if he is a traitor I disbelieve it, just so he’ll lose for pandering so hard. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4021 "2011-08-30T23:28:19Z")
I’ve spent some time reviewing the Night Kills, hoping they might tell us something. I’m not sure if they have or not, but here’s what I came up with: What we know Night 1 Mahaloth was shot Guiri was killed (no color) Silman was killed (no color) Night 2 Dancecat was shot (by “multiple people”) Inner Stickler was shot (with Guiri’s gun) peeker was killed (no color) Night 3 gnarlycharlie was shot Astral Rejection was shot TexCat was killed (no color) brewha was killed (no color) How it might have happened Night 1: Mahaloth was probably shot by Guiri. (He was also poisoned, but we know that didn’t kill him.) Guiri was either the Scum kill, or was brewha’s Vig kill Silman was tareted by LightFoot Night 2: Dancecat was shot by “multiple people”. We’ve been assuming that was the Scum kill. I don’t think so. I think that was the Mason’s kill. Inner Stickler was shot “with Guiri’s gun”. This suggests a backup Vig? peeker was LightFoot’s target, after she was redirected. Night 3: brewha was poisoned by Askthepizzaguy, so that likely explains his death Astral must have been the Mason’s target, unless they were blocked. There is no mention of a “group” killing Astral, so it may be that the Mason kill did not go through. gnarlycharlie was LightFoot’s target. The first two Nights, LightFoot’s target was killed with no color, but tonight he was shot. Could that mean that someone else targeted him as well? I think maybe so. The PMs shown in the death reveals for Tex and gnarly said “you search for your fellow mason” (singular). This implies that there were to and only two Masons, and that they were both Town. The Scum would have known that there were no Scum Masons, so best case scenario for them was that we had two Confirmed Town, and worst case was that there might be additional Masons waiting to be found. Therefore it would have been very much in the Scum’s best interest to get rid of the Masonry last Night. And I think that’s what they did. brewha targeted gnarlycharlie, and TexCat was the regular Scum kill. What I think it all means Night 1: Mahaloth was shot by Guiri Guiri was killed by Scum (Nightly kill) Silman was killed by LightFoot brewha was either blocked, or his target was protected Night 2: Dancecat was shot by the Masons Inner Stickler was shot by brewha peeker was killed by LightFoot Night 3: gnarlycharlie was shot by brewha, and was also targeted by LightFoot TexCat was killed by Scum (Nightly kill) Astral Rejection was killed by the Masons brewha was poisoned by Askthepizzaguy The biggest problem with the above is the color surrounding Inner Stickler’s death on Night 2. It is mentioned that “someone found Guiri’s gun and decided to put it to use”. That doesn’t sound like brewha, who should have had his own gun. Another issue is that Dancecat’s death was attributed to “multiple people”, whereas there is no such mention regarding Astral’s death, both of which I have assigned to the Masons. These items either are or are not a big problem depending on how significant the detail in the color is. If I am correct, what this tells us is that the only evident killing power left in the game besides the Nightly Scum kill is LightFoot, so the body count should drop from this point on. Of course, it’s possible that there is another killer out there, and the roleblocker(s) and doctor(s) that we appear to have managed to successfully prevent at least one kill each Night. I think that’s somewhat unlikely, but I can’t be certain. If I am incorrect, then there is at least one unknown killing role needed, to explain Inner Stickler’s death. So there you go. I’m absolutely certain there exist not even the tiniest flaws in my logic or reasoning, so there’s no point in even thinking about trying to find them. Unless you feel you must 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=200) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=202)