# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 204
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4062 "2011-08-31T16:21:28Z")
UPDATED LIST OF CLAIMS Please let me know if I got anything wrong. _Mod-confirmed alignments as well as scum-confessed alignments color-coded. Post 3721 is Idle’s original full claim post._ **Night 0** \*\*AskthePizzaGuy \*\*targets lilflower NAF targets \*\*peeker **(successful; has peeker’s power on Night 1) Normal Phase targets Drain Bead Mykbot/DuckburgDK targets himself Suburban Plankton targets** Krayz \*\* Giraffe targets Normal Phase Episkey targets **Dancecat** \*\*Idle \*\*targets Suburban Plankton [post 3721] pwnsall targets **TexCat** bufftabby got no result (did not reveal target) **Night 1** Ed targets Scuba Ben Drain Bead targets Scuba Ben Scuba Ben gets two targets on Night 2 Scuba Ben gets message that Jan is villager Giraffe targets \*\*peeker \*\* Episkey targets Jan (confirmed by SP) Silver Jan targets Ed \*\*Idle \*\*targets NAF [post 3721] \*\*Idle \*\*gets message that NAF is village mimic [post 3721] \*\*AskthePizzaGuy \*\*targets **Mahaloth** \*\*Mahaloth \*\*is poisoned and shot Scathach targets **Dancecat** \*\*Idle \*\*gets message that \*\*Dancecat \*\*is villager Scuba Ben targets **gnarlycharlie** \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*feels protected Episkey targets Jan Silver Jan gets message that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*is wolf \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*targets **Texcat** \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*and \*\*Texcat \*\*discover they are village masons \*\*BlasterMaster \*\*targets Giraffe Giraffe gets message that \*\*BlasterMaster \*\*is villager Weedy gets message that \*\*Texcat \*\*is Villager and mason NAF targets Ed (and has his power for Night 2) Lightfoot targets \*\*silman \*_rec’d “No apparent result” except he woke up dead_ PCM watches Episkey (someone that PCM has not named visited Episkey) SP tracks Episkey who visited Silver Jan bufftabby got no result (did not reveal target but says it was not septimus) NAF feels protected \*\*Idle \*\*feels safe septimus enjoyed kindness Ed got no result SisterCoyote/JD got no result (do not know target) pwnsall is roleblocked **Night 2** AskthePizzaGuy targets **brewha** \*\*brewha \*\*is poisoned \*\*Idle \*\*targets Jan \*\*Idle \*\*targets **AskthePizzaGuy** PCM targets SP (no one visited SP) Drain Bead targets **gnarlycharlie** SP tracks Lightfoot who went in one direction but then turned towards **peeker** Giraffe targets **AskthePizzaGuy** Episkey targets **AskthePizzaGuy** Ed targets buff (random) Silver Jan target **Idle** \*\*Idle \*\*is roleblocked Scathach targets Ed Special Ed feels healthy Special Ed gets a complete role PM with power outlined NAF (mimic) targets himself (with Ed’s power) NAF gets two targets on Night 3 bufftabby targets herself bufftabby felt a warm glow Episkey targets **AskthePizzaGuy** \*\*AskthePizzaGuy \*\*gets message that NAF is a wolf \*\*AskthePizzaGuy \*\*gets message that Episkey is a wolf PCM gets a message that he is the apothecary _[but doesn’t believe it]_ Giraffe gets a message that pwnsall is town Lightfoot targeted crackedquads “No apparent result” still alive \* Donkx4 gets a message that \*\*Dancecat \*\*is a villager JD was redirected \*\*Idle \*\*gets message that Drain Bead is village reflector [post 3721] pwnsall targets buff pwnsall gets “successful” response regarding Night action **Night 3** Lightfoot targets \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*“No Apparent Result “ except he was shot \* \*\*Idle \*\*targets himself [post 3721] \*\*Idle \*\*targets Episkey PCM targets pwsnall PCM gets results on septimus (no one visited septimus) Drain Bead targets herself Drain Bead has two targets Night 4 Giraffe targets Ed Scuba Ben gets a message that Weedy is a villager \*\*Idle \*\*feels healthy ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4063 "2011-08-31T16:22:51Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Ah yes, i had forgotten about that. But actually, I think we may both be half right. > > I think \*\*Ed \*\*\*was \*redirected, but perhaps not to **NAF**. He says he targeted **bufftabby** , but bufftabby claims to have had only one target last Night, so his power was not Doubled. > > Or perhaps NAF isn’t a ‘Mimic’ after all, and Ed was redirected to him. > > In any case, whether or not Ed was redirected doesn’t change what makes me suspicious of **J.D.** , so my vote stands. I’m thinking \*\*NAF \*\*could be a power stealer. I might know more after toNight since he targeted me last Night. I asked this just a few posts ago, too, but is “mimic” another word for “power stealer”? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4064 "2011-08-31T16:29:02Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Never got the result I was blocked. **Septimus** , the cop, got a message from someone else (one of the random ones sent out among all the cops) that Janet was a roleblocker. After she said she targeted me, we figured this was another way to get Town cred. But if Jan really is a roleblocker and she targeted you, wouldn’t you have been blocked? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4065 "2011-08-31T16:30:48Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Never got the result I was blocked. **Septimus** , the cop, got a message from someone else (one of the random ones sent out among all the cops) that Janet was a roleblocker. After she said she targeted me, we figured this was another way to get Town cred. Post 2779 is very explicit: > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > **My message toDay said that I was blocked from performing my Night action**. So unless someone else targeted me or my action was blocked away by some other means, somehow,\*\* I think that gives strong signs that Jan might be some kind of roleblocker.\*\* So Idle, you did indeed report that you were blocked. Lying Scum is a liar. And we need to evaluate **Episkey** and **NAF** on their own merits (or faults as the case may be). Although I do like the guess that you’re actually a Bomb. But I think the Town may be out of killing roles, so we’ll have to do it this way. Would you prefer a hemp rope or a silk rope? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4066 "2011-08-31T16:33:43Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Nice catch, **Sub Plank**. We have to reevaluate both of those claims. > > A key part of **Idle** ’s “Hey! I’m betraying my own team! Lookit meeeee!” drama is his claim that he betrayed Episkey to PizzaGuy on N2. (Idle was pretty firm about that.) But if he earlier claimed to have been blocked on N2, then at least one claim is a lie. > > AOP from my notes: Idle claimed in #2779 that he was blocked on N2, probably by Silver Jan (2774). So, **Idle** , if you really want us to believe you betrayed Episkey to PizzaGuy, please resolve this inconsistency. I see no reason to believe anything that \*\*Idle \*\*has said since he outed himself. I think there is \*some \*validity in believing his earlier claims, since it behooves Scum to be as truthful as possible in order to make their lies more believeable. But we need to take everything he has said with a grain of salt until he dies and we see what his role was. At that point we can hopefully eliminate some of his claims as being impossible given his role. Hopefully. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4067 "2011-08-31T16:34:34Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > But if Jan really is a roleblocker and she targeted you, wouldn’t you have been blocked? That’s a good point. Only thing I can think of is that she was redirected somehow. Or maybe something else happened that we don’t yet know about. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Post 2779 is very explicit: > So Idle, you did indeed report that you were blocked. Lying Scum is a liar. Yes, I’ve already said I wasn’t blocked (just now). Is it so surprising that, as unknown scum, I’d lie? But since I’ve been “free”, I haven’t lied yet. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4068 "2011-08-31T16:35:01Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Post 2779 is very explicit: > > So Idle, you did indeed report that you were blocked. Lying Scum is a liar. And we need to evaluate **Episkey** and **NAF** on their own merits (or faults as the case may be). > > Although I do like the guess that you’re actually a Bomb. But I think the Town may be out of killing roles, so we’ll have to do it this way. Would you prefer a hemp rope or a silk rope? I think we’ve already established that \*\*Idle \*\*is lying. If you look at my summary of claims, there are a number of contradictions in what he’s claimed so far. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4069 "2011-08-31T16:35:11Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I don’t think \*\*Ed \*\*was redirected. **NAF had Ed** ’s power on Night 2. Have we established that \*\* Ed \*\* did not have his power N2? I thought a Mimic would use the other’s power but not take it away . And I remembered what I was going to discuss with **ED.** It had to do with the discussion about what \*\* peeker’s\*\* powers really did and a misconception I read by someone. I suppose it is a moot point now though. \*\* Jan \*\* thinks she is a role blocker but she alluded to targeting me and all my targets have woke up dead. Of course we do have a redirector and there may be more than one roleblocker? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4070 "2011-08-31T16:37:18Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I’m thinking \*\*NAF \*\*could be a power stealer. I might know more after toNight since he targeted me last Night. I asked this just a few posts ago, too, but is “mimic” another word for “power stealer”? In my experience (which is greater than some here and far less than others) “Power Stealer” generally implies a Scum role, and is usually restricted to stealing powers from the dead. “Mimic” as it is being used here implies nothing about alignment, and appears to allow for the targeting of live players. The ability itself seems to be the same (you assume the same ability as your target) but the mechanics appear to be different. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4071 "2011-08-31T16:37:54Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Have we established that \*\* Ed \*\* did not have his power N2? > I thought a Mimic would use the other’s power but not take it away . Yep. When is it going to hit you people that something isn’t adding up here? **Unvote Pwnsall** **Vote Special ED** **Unvote Special ED** **Vote NAF** (that makes two votes on NAF right now) ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4072 "2011-08-31T16:40:50Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > In my experience (which is greater than some here and far less than others) “Power Stealer” generally implies a Scum role, and is usually restricted to stealing powers from the dead. > > “Mimic” as it is being used here implies nothing about alignment, and appears to allow for the targeting of live players. > > The ability itself seems to be the same (you assume the same ability as your target) but the mechanics appear to be different. Nah, he’s really a mimic. He’s still scum, though. I’ll paypal you 50 bucks if you believe me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4073 "2011-08-31T16:42:42Z")
In fact, I will send everyone (through paypal) 20 dollars if they vote for NAF toDay instead of me. :D:cool: Anyone? Anyone? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4074 "2011-08-31T16:44:10Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Have we established that \*\* Ed \*\* did not have his power N2? > I thought a Mimic would use the other’s power but not take it away . > > And I remembered what I was going to discuss with **ED.** > It had to do with the discussion about what \*\* peeker’s\*\* powers really did and a misconception I read by someone. I suppose it is a moot point now though. > > \*\* Jan \*\* thinks she is a role blocker but she alluded to targeting me and all my targets have woke up dead. Of course we do have a redirector and there may be more than one roleblocker? Ed says he targeted buff and buff says she did not get two targets so something prevented Ed’s power (or it was redirected). I don’t recall Jan saying she targeted you. When did she say that? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4075 "2011-08-31T16:44:26Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Have we established that \*\* Ed \*\* did not have his power N2? > I thought a Mimic would use the other’s power but not take it away . We need to remember that the only evidence we have that \*\*NAF \*\*is a Mimic came from **Idle** , and there is a possibility that he might not have been completely forthright with us. NAF says he targeted \*\*peeker \*\*on Night 0, with no apparent effect. He targeted \*\*Ed \*\*on Night 1, and had his power doubled on Night 2. This could be because he received Ed’s power and targeted himself on Night 2, or it could be because Ed was redirected to NAF on Night 2…or it could be that NAF is lying. He targeted **Normal Phase** and \*\*lilflower \*\*on Night 3. We so far have no idea what powers either of them have (unless I’ve missed something), so there doesn’t seem to be any way to validate anything from last Night at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4076 "2011-08-31T16:45:35Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > In fact, I will send everyone (through paypal) 20 dollars if they vote for NAF toDay instead of me. :D:cool: > > Anyone? Anyone? 🙂 What if I vote \*\*NAF \*\*instead of **J.D.**? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4077 "2011-08-31T16:46:50Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Ed says he targeted buff and buff says she did not get two targets so something prevented Ed’s power (or it was redirected). > > I don’t recall Jan saying she targeted you. When did she say that? Post 3688 > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I agree that I might not have been the only one to target **Idle** and now **LightFoot** says she feels a warm glow and I targeted her last night. I will have to check but didn’t \*\*Ed \*\*say something about a warm glow on D2? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4078 "2011-08-31T16:48:04Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > What if I vote \*\*NAF \*\*instead of **J.D.**? > > 😃 Sure. You all get paid only if NAF is the one killed toDay. 😉 Hey, that’s fair! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4079 "2011-08-31T16:48:54Z")
Then you’d see I was telling the truth, too (about the rest of the scum). So the rest of the game would be easy! Or the scum would just concede the rest of the game. Either way, you win! ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4080 "2011-08-31T16:49:56Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Ed says he targeted buff and buff says she did not get two targets so something prevented Ed’s power (or it was redirected). > > I don’t recall Jan saying she targeted you. When did she say that? I believe it was her (I could be wrong) that was very curious what I experienced last Night. I’ll research that ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4081 "2011-08-31T16:52:20Z")
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