# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 206
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4102 "2011-08-31T17:40:08Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > FWIW you’ve already spewed me villager. No way I’m a wolf that you say is going to be the nightkill because when you guys don’t actually nightkill me I’m prob going to get lynched. And if you do actually NK me like you say, well I’ll be dead and it won’t matter lol What I said was that PWNSALL is a wolf (I’ve been telling everyone in here the last four wolves names: Episkey, NAF, Septimus and Pwnsall, for the last Day (because my real role is Scum Traitor—I can win either with scum or Town, depending if I betray the scum team and IF they believe me (which they probably won’t). I guess I’m this game’s version of the wolf/mason from last game)). ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4103 "2011-08-31T17:47:48Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > What I said was that PWNSALL is a wolf (I’ve been telling everyone in here the last four wolves names: Episkey, NAF, Septimus and Pwnsall, for the last Day (because my real role is Scum Traitor—I can win either with scum or Town, depending if I betray the scum team and IF they believe me (which they probably won’t). I guess I’m this game’s version of the wolf/mason from last game)). Why did you target your scum buddy Episkey on Night 3? Also, why haven’t you been modkilled for posting your role PM? Is it because it’s fake? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4104 "2011-08-31T17:56:00Z")
Why not Episkey? I had no idea what I was at that time and I obviously wasn’t any killing role. I figured he could just tell me any info he got and hopefully help me find out what role I am. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4105 "2011-08-31T17:56:28Z")
And I have no idea why I haven’t been modkilled. Probably because I’m a shoe in for dying toDay, would be my guess. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4106 "2011-08-31T17:57:40Z")
Idle, quit abusing the fact we can’t ignore your moderator-rank tail to clutter up the thread. =P ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4107 "2011-08-31T17:59:01Z")
Not cluttering at all, I’m being helpful! 🙂 Honest and helpful, through and through. Day’s over pretty soon anyway and I’m a sure lynch, so it’s not like you lose anything. : p ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4108 "2011-08-31T18:03:06Z")
orly? When we want your honest opinion Idle, we’ll read it from your entrails after the lynch. It seems to me septimus and pwnsall haven’t been trying hard to either get involved in or stay away from Idle’s slip, reveal, and fingering of them as Scum. They may make good candidates for offensive Townie Night actions. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4109 "2011-08-31T18:05:19Z")
I’m back. (chorus: you were gone?) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4110 "2011-08-31T18:12:39Z")
Well, this much is obvious already. **vote: IdleThoughts** ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4111 "2011-08-31T18:27:25Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > It seems to me septimus and pwnsall haven’t been trying hard to either get involved in or stay away from Idle’s slip, reveal, and fingering of them as Scum. They may make good candidates for offensive Townie Night actions. 😕 😕 I am browsing the thread **absolutely amazed** that people are paying any attention at all to the claimed Scum’s rant. And that makes me scummy? My questions are unanswered. My suggestion gets snark from Plankton and no further response when I answer him. I’m curious if Ben even noticed I’m the one who caught Idle’s slip. Please do go ahead and Vig-kill me; I’m curious what my role is and, other than identifying at least two Scum, I don’t seem to be helping. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4112 "2011-08-31T18:53:12Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 😕 I am browsing the thread **absolutely amazed** that people are paying any attention at all to the claimed Scum’s rant. And that makes me scummy? > > My questions are unanswered. My suggestion gets snark from Plankton and no further response when I answer him. I’m curious if Ben even noticed I’m the one who caught Idle’s slip. > > Please do go ahead and Vig-kill me; I’m curious what my role is and, other than identifying at least two Scum, I don’t seem to be helping. You seem to be a bit frustrated, as am I. I don’t think we should believe anything **Idle** says. If he is a traitor then I will take a second look but until then anything he says doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4113 "2011-08-31T19:17:59Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Actually we don’t need the whole thread voting idle, can we come to a consensus on a second wagon? It probably won’t matter because there shouldn’t be any vote mechanics/day actions in this game (mod op says actions relate to night actions only), but just incase there’s something I’m missing I don’t want a random 1 voter ending up dead. my 2nd wagon of choice is you if you have a better choice let me know ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4114 "2011-08-31T19:19:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 😕 I am browsing the thread **absolutely amazed** that people are paying any attention at all to the claimed Scum’s rant. And that makes me scummy? > > My questions are unanswered. My suggestion gets snark from Plankton and no further response when I answer him. I’m curious if Ben even noticed I’m the one who caught Idle’s slip. > > Please do go ahead and Vig-kill me; I’m curious what my role is and, other than identifying at least two Scum, I don’t seem to be helping. I noticed you’re the one who caught the slip. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4115 "2011-08-31T19:30:28Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > my 2nd wagon of choice is you > > if you have a better choice let me know Again, state your case on me. I’ve already asked and I’m still waiting. Something about theories which are wrong and I should know better when for the longest time I felt like the only person trying to work on this thing (well except for pizza, but me and him disagreed at every turn it felt like). You wait until I haven’t been around for 4-5 days then out of the blue start wanting to wagon me? I don’t know if you could find a better cop out wagon if you tried. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4116 "2011-08-31T19:51:43Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Why did you target your scum buddy Episkey on Night 3? > > Also, why haven’t you been modkilled for posting your role PM? Is it because it’s fake? Every single time I open this thread I read something like this. It’s driving me crazy. Look: I have been nothing but up front and honest from the second I thought I figured out what was going on with my role and why I was causing chaos with my role. I’ve explained my theory multiple times while trying to help out as much as possible. I’ve made some pretty awesome reads this game that have been confirmed (Dancecat villa, Krayz villa, Blaster wolf) while also feeling very very confident about a couple that have not been confirmed (Pwnsall villa, Giraffe villa). I’ve analyzed wagons and determined which votes I’ve found most scummy using a line of reasoning that not one person has questioned me about aside from you (who it was on). I didn’t put a lot of stock into the Sanga slip when if I were scum I’d KNOW it was a slip. Also, you don’t know me so you can’t confirm, but I’m sure some POGGers can: I’m extremely active in wolfchat as a wolf and would have explained to Sanga asap how to fix what he slipped since, well, it wouldn’t be that difficult to fix. Yet every single time I open this thread someone else is calling me scum because a message - which we’ve determined have been PROVEN FALSE already this game - says I’m scum. Apparently there isn’t anything I can do that will make you all listen to me. In fact, everytime I try all I get is “but how can you proooove what you’re saying is true?”. I obviously can’t without dying. And then once I do each and every one of you will say something like “oh, thats too bad nothing we could have done, oh well” despite there being literally zero case on me except “Poggers said he was a good wolf”, “A message which could be false said so”, and “A dead detective called someone else significantly more scummy than him and then voted for that person”. I’m beyond tilted at this game right now. I’m tilted at Gad for making me such a useless fucking role. I’m tilted that I’m having one of my best villager games ever in terms of reads, yet am still under heavy suspicion. Most of all, I’m tilted that despite a KNOWN WOLF concocting a scheme to implicate me and get me lynched - which nearly worked - you’re still harping about me being scum. I take solace that this is a team game, and that we’re in a great spot right now. At least once you kill me for no reason we’ll still be in great shape to win. Just remember: Pwnsall is lock villa Lock. Not. Debatable. Septimus is near lock villa. Catching the slip and saving me. Donk is near lock villa. Early vote on Blaster over Inner and held vote there all day. Those 3 things should be clear across the board. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4117 "2011-08-31T19:59:28Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Septimus is near lock villa. > Catching the slip and saving me. Oh please. For one, scum could just as easily catch other scum slips just for massive Town cred. And when you take “for two” in with it (the fact that IT WAS EVEN SET UP THAT WAY with our talking on the scum boards right after it happened), I don’t see how in the hell you could say that. Of course, you’re scum too. Lock! I’m just pointing out your huge flaws in logic to others so they can find you suspicious again. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4118 "2011-08-31T20:07:12Z")
Since I don’t know if I’m going to wake up dead in the Morning. I will share the research I have on \*\* PCM \*\* It will take a few posts. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4119 "2011-08-31T20:07:57Z")
Episkey, I should have put “alleged scum buddy”. I don’t believe anything he is saying at this point but I am interested in seeing how he responds to questions regarding his claims. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4120 "2011-08-31T20:08:13Z")
PCM in a nutshell. My high points are mostly outside the spoilers but since I had all the data compiled I wanted to leave the record. Some fluffy and non pertinent to game posts are not included. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > **Vote Krayz** > > for the whole fakeppeking / smudging thing. > > Day one lynches are always for horrible reasons. First post D1 \*\*\* NAF \*\* found it Scummy [spoiler] > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Yes it is > night is approching and I would rather have a vote on record than no vote. > > As mentiond in the sign up thread I am in Brazil at the moment and access to internet is limited so doing a rapid catch up [/spoiler] adds reasoning for vote. RL keeps im away for some of D2 > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > 1. participation, as mentioned I am traveling at the moment, will be back later today. Apologies. I am catching up whilst sat on my thumbs at IAH for the next 3 hrs. At least the coffee here is decent. > 2. day one vote. This is my first game after an 18 month break. Scum hunting techniques may have advanced significantly in the interim, but it was my experience that day one lynches were a crapshoot and there were generally no good reasons for the lynch, which is why I said day one lynches are for horrible reasons. When I looked through day one, my vote was the least horrible choice of many horrible choices. I also believe it is important to have a vote on record, rather than no vote. > > NAF jumped in at post 774 to note that my vote was “double fuck scummy” but didnt switch his vote to me. So apparently he felt his case against PeekerCpa (need to double check, on tapatalk, so scrolling isnt possible) was stronger. > If I were of a suspicious mind I would say he was happy with the top lynch targets, and decided not rock the boat and get things setup for a PCM lynch today. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Dancecat , why is this not possible. In the rules it says every one has to submit A night target, are you taking that to be exclusivly one name? Could it just be the mods used A in a generic manner. > > Regarding the night kills we were given two methods for Malahoth dying ( shot and poisoned) but Silman and Guri we just listed as being dead, no bite marks or bullet wounds. Not sure if anything can be rread into that. A wild arse guess would be the bullet/poision are either town or neutral ( if there are any) and the wolves have two kills with no colour attached. A natural assumption by Village or Wolf could be TMI if e knows that the wolves didn’t target \*\* Malahoth \*\* and a wolf did target \*\* silman \*\* > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Ok Drain bead set me straight there, a rediriector would need to know he had to submit two names thus give away their role that they werent supposed to know. Never mind me. Argues against a redirector (even after it was mentioned in the colour) Below is where I asked im to elaborate on the reasoning for the D1 vote on \*\* Krayz \*\* With travelling and such there was no time D1 but D2 e could have shared the reasoning. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > I did wayback earlier in the day. > PCM PCM felt no reason to elaborate or share what suspicions e had for the vote > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > [spoiler] Just to highlight, IDLE was all over me for my somewhat lazy vote and not posting much on day one, to the point of suggesting i just get Vigged , then rolls in and does a " me to" vote and doesnt post much. > > Not sure what to make of the Giraffe vs Peeker vs Pizza stuff, way to much noise to signal to get much out of that. > > I am somewhat concerned about Pizza. If he is telling the truth and targeted Malahoth last night then there is a reasonable chance that he has a killing role. As our vig is dead that leaves another non wolf killer. We know there is the possibility of independent factions due to the rules, so there is a chance that Pizza is not town aligned. If he were independent, he would have nothing to loose by being very pro town, in the hopes of garnering some town protection. On the otehr hand it would be odd that PFK came out and admitted they had a killing role. > > Several people have tried to suggest the scum are mostly otherborders due to the number of town otherborders who were killed last night. As far as I know that whole argument is purest WIFOM. Scum could almost entirly SMDB/IDELEBOARD/Giraffe/Domebo players, they just need one or two otherborders to tell them Guri and silman were good players. Hell scum could be entirly non otherboarders and just read comments that indicated the town deaths were good players, or wanted a giant smudge on the otherboarders. [/spoiler] > What is interesting ( well to me, but i am easily amused) is that who ever first posited the notion seamed to assume that both town deaths were scum kills. Could be a case of perfect information syndrome, need to go back and review the posts. Well now… was it \*\*PCM \*\* that said that? (see above) > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > 2 pro town night kills and a lynch against two other kills ( the non colour kills ) seams a little town biased. Two scum kills could be about right ( to be honest i am not exactly the right person to be asking aout game balancin) . > Hence my concern that one of the hits on Malahoth was not a pro town hit, ie a PFK or independent faction. There could be more night killers, although that would lead us to potentially have 6 kills per day/ night cycle which would seam to be quite a lot. > Incidentally I am refering to scum as the wolves, so if we have independents out there, i call 'em PFK or non town aligned, which is different to scum. Just in case we end up in a semantic discussion of who scum is. Looks like e noticed too? Here is a response to \*\* Idle \*\* > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Fair 'nuff, your post just smacked a little bit of “do as I say, not as I do” and given your vote on me, my views of your posts may be a little OMGUS. Responding to **SP** [spoiler] > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > I dont think anyone is being narrow minded or discounting the possibility of multiple town roles. It is a discussion about the number of pro town kills against the total number of kills. In the last day/night cycle we had 5 kills ( 1 lynch, 2 redundant on the same person, obviously I am assuming the poisoning and shooting of malahoth were independent actions, and the two colourless kills on guiri (vig) and silman (reporter) > > We have a lynch, we used to have a vig, if we had a 3rd killer that would give us a 3 to 2 kill ratio against scum / independents. ( assuming there was not a 6th killer who was blocked) > As for balance , the last big game I played in ( conspiracy II ) had one town lynch, one town vig, 2 uncordinated undead kills , one wolf kill and a one off Cabal kill. That was a 4 faction game with large number of players. How that relates to this game with the only knowns being our alingments and the fact we have a night power, not sure, my gut feel is 3 pro town killers is a lot. Our Dearest Mod Gaderene did mention in the day opening colour that the amount of blood was not as much as some may have hoped, not sure if that means a blocked kill or the double tap on Malahoth. I am concerned that the second hit on Malahoth is not a town aligned role. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Ahh you must be Captain Smudgicus “smudger” McSmudging, Smudge Company of the Royal Smudgaliers. ( S.M.U. D.G.) ret. Esq. [/spoiler] Above is in response to \*\* crackedquads \*\* comment about the other boarders not being seen around much [spoiler] Originally Posted by crackedquads It’s weird that every single one of the pog players have been awol the last few days. Personally I’ve been pretty busy (I work weekends but my job has zero computer access) but I don’t know about the rest of them. At the very least I know I’ve seen their names popping up on the other forum. . > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > My head hurts. If this is Gad idea of fun, what does he/she do for a really wild night, Kitten Stomping? > > On first pass with all these claims, I cant see us having the mods lying to us or giving us paranoid cop type roles. A closed game where no one knows what powers they have is bad enough to start with, putting in intentional misdirection would give us a game that could be better resolved with a random number generator. > I am assuming what the mods tell us is correct, how we interpret that information is another thing. It is possible the mod tells a person X, but they interpret that as meaning Y. > > Time for a lot of reading, Ill not be paying much attention to the peripheral stuff outside the current claimees, way too much to go through. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > given we don’t know very much, mechanics of the game is quite a good thing to talk about, particularly if there are claims, we need to test those claims about what we do know about mechanics of the game. It is also a possible area for people to reveal perfect information. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > My take on the proceedings > At some point prior to post 1700 Scuba Ben claims SilverJan is town, and Idle claims Dance cat is town. Neither claim to have investigated the person they received information about. > > starting in the 1700 when the claims started. > SilverJan claims Gnarlycharlie is wolf. > > Bufftabby is all over SilverJan questioning the dual target, the possible mod action over PM reveals. > BlasterMaster is on the offensive, his key point being SilverJans magic bag type reveal. Dancecat in post 1751 also questions SilverJan along with Zerial. Gad resolves the dual target question in 1737 > > Then in 1759 BlasterMaster votes for SilverJan, Idle, DanceCat and later Septimus suggest BMs vote on a claimed seer (as they assume a claimed seer, not that SJ claimed seer) is not a good strategy. > > What is a little jarring in Post 1746 and 1765 Texcat goes fishing for anyone else who targeted GnarlyCharly, Bufftabby shut it down twice. > BlasterMaster by 1806 unvotes SilverJan. > > somewhere up to post 1774 we have Lilflower, Idle Brewha NAF, DrainBead, Giraffe and septimus all joining in on the lynch. Lightfoot in 1797 analyses Gnarlys posts concluding he was not posting much of substance. > > Then Texcat claims GC is a Mason. Through a convoluted series of questions and answers wherein Texcat eventually reveals they are also a mason, they can communicate with each other 24/7 off board and exchanged PMs. Weeds pops in and says they know that Texcat is a MAson (but didnt target Texcat). in Post 2018 CrackedQuads steps in a provides a helpful summary for Texcat as to how it all went down. > > After that there wasn’t a whole lot of discussion from the claimants, but an awful lot of multiple cop , insane cop discussions. > > Other points of Note, it seams in post 2016 Pizza claimed to have targeted Lilflower on night0 and Lilflower was still alive. If I understood his claim way back that he targeted Malahoth on night one and Mal turned up shot and poisoned the next day. Pizza stated the poisioner was a delayed action (something he surely cant know unless he really did target Malahoth on night zero) and and seamed to be back peddling from his assumed Vig role. > > Anyway. > I am very suspicious of Texcat, mostly because of the role fishing for who else investigated GnarlyCharly. > CrackedQuads for Providing a nice summary for Texcat following a somewhat convoluted series of revealing how the mason mechanism worked. That would be quitehelpful for scum who may not actually be able to talk 24/7 and would help GnarlyCharlie get centered when he turned up. > > As others have mentioned, this vote is really about what lynch get us the most information. > as far as I can see if Gnarly is lynched and flips scum, that gives us Texcat possibly Weeds. So 3 dead scum. It doesn’t confirm SilverJan as she claims the information came from elsewhere. > If Gnarly flips town and mason, that confirms Texcat, doesn’t do much for Weeds, and oddly doesn’t say much about SilverJan as she claims the information came from elsewhere. > > Weeds and SilverJan could be lying about where they got their information, to distract from a scum kill on themselves. > > Lynching Texcat confirms GnarlyCharlie as scume or mason. > Lynching SilverJan really doesn’t do much. > > So > **VOTE GNARLYCHARLIE** Above is a synopsis as PCM saw it and a vote for our outed Mason (although at this point not confirmed) > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Crackedquads. > Sorry, not raising to the patronizing bait. > What I posted was a result of trawling through the last few hundred posts specifically looking at the claims that have been made and who was doing what. With the volume of posts and random noise chasing down other lines of enquiry seams rather pointless right now. Not sure about this one. Unwilling to do more than a summary at this point? (or I read it wrong) ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4121 "2011-08-31T20:10:48Z")
Continued > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Vote timing > > Blaster Master… InnerStickler > > Donk (1135) > Septimus (1808) > …texCat (2204) > DanceCat (T) (2258) > Normal Phase (2272) > Episki (2295) > DrainBead(2322) > IdleThoughts (2326) > NAF1138 (2347) > …ScubaBen (2376) > …Lightfoot (2403) > …GnarlyCharlie (2446) > …ScatHach (2451) > …SilverJan (2460) > …BrewHa(2466) > …BlasterMaster (2486) > Pwnsall (2491) > PeekerCPA(2492) > > On the Krazy Waggon we had > Drainbead > Sanagamn > Malahoth (S) > IdleThoughts > LightFoot > ScubaBen > PrecambrianMollusc > > So Scuaben, Lightfoot and Gnarlycharlie started the roll against Innerstickler > Both Scubaben and Lightfoot were on the Krazy list adding numbers at the upper end of the vote count. > gnarlyCharlie was accused of scum by SilverJan. Obviosuly GC is backed up by texcat with the mason claim. > > SilverJan was pushing the vote on IS up to 6 when the count on BM was 8 votes. Which doenst look good, however SilverJan was attacked and voted for by Blastermaster, who was scum. > > I am pointing a big finger of suspicon at lightfoot and Scba for voting pattern reasons. > GnarlyCharlie for voting position and being accused of being a wolf. > texcat is still suspicious to me for fishing for roles and asking who alse investigated GnarlyCharlie as SilverJan said it wasn’t her result. Looks at the band wagon votes and calls some players for late/swing votes on those wagons (myself included) But the last vote on \*\* Krayz \*\* was \*\* PCM \*\*. Pot meet kettle here. [spoiler] > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > I also think I can help someone confirm that someone else is town. > > Last night I was told I had a role (x) and an alignment (town). > However that role as described is not consistent with the results I received the night before. In addition I also recieved a result last nigh that was consistent with the prior nights result. So it appears I was told someone elses role and alignment, but it had my name at the begining. > That’s what I know. the rest below is supposition. > > My theory is > > There is a role out there that tells the target their alignment and power.(person I) > There is a person out there who has role X and is town (Person T) > It also appears that there is a redirector who can direct effects targeted at one player toanother (Person R) > And there is me (person P) > > Person I targeted T, the redirector (R) targeted T and me (P). so I recieve Ts role and alignment courtesy of Is role and Rs redirection > > So to whoever the redirector is who targeted me and someone else, that someonelse is Town. > > I am not worried that the redirector is a scum redirector because the above doesn’t tell them anything they didnt know, they already knew that T was town. With the exception that they may not have known if T was town or a 3rd party , if we have any of those. > I also think it unlikely that scum would be targeting me overnight, I may be paranoid but I suspect a couple of people and scum will be trying for an easy lynch of me today. [/spoiler] Shares some of ‘is actions/results. Oh and we have a redirector now. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > On the gun question and who did what. > On nioght one we had two hits with colour (the shooting and te pisioning) and two kills without a cause (guri and Silman were just listed as dead) > > Today we have a shooting and brewha being poisoned and two kills without a cause of death. > > If we assume both colourless kill were scum that would make InnerSticklers kill a non scum kill. Can’t understand why a pro town role would hit IS, unless of course scum have a redirector and figured out who was the vig if tehre was one, who was their likely target and were happy to risk that. Seams quite convoluted through. Didn’t PCM debate with ‘imself over the colourless kills already? Back to the original theory And here we have the second comment after \*\* SP \*\* challenges \*\* sangaman’s \*\* slip > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > That does rather smack of perfect information > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > As we have the self confessed poisoner out there I will add > The role that was revealed to me (that isnt mine even though it said it was me) is the Apothcary. They can heal or prevent someone being poisoned. > > So if someone suspects they are a redirector and targeted me and someone else , it is likely that someone else is the apothcary and town. How you would get that message to them to let them know, buggered if I know. > > QUOTE ATPG > Secondly, I poisoned Brewha, or someone anticipated that’s what I’d try to do and did it for me > ENDQUOTE > > I dont get that statement - surely you know if you targeted Brewha or not? just doesn’t sit right. Left this in for the timeline And then………. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Sangman was 2nd vote on Krazy, did not vote for Blastermaster or inner Stickler and didn’t join in the GnarlyCharly waggon after SilverJan accused GC of being scum. > I honestly don’t know if something can be concluded from that. Goes on to appear to ignore the sangaman wagon [spoiler] > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > jayzuz - back behind again. > > lilflower > to put in in you format > > Night one PCM targets someone and gets a result on the target > night two PCM targets someone and gets a result on the target > Night Two PCM is alos told he is teh Apothecary and given the Role PM of the Apothecary. > Apothecary role is inconsistent with the night one and two results hence PCM does not think he is the apothecary > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > I see the possibuilities (however repmote) as > > 1. Episki selects a target A and that target is told that a random Target B has a random alignment > 2. Episki selects a target A and that target is told that a random Target B has a scum alignment > 3. Episki Selects 2 targets, Target A is told Taget B random alignment > 4. Episki selects 2 targets and target A is told target B is scum. > > Clearly option 4 would make Episki scum > option 12 and 3 are just very unhelpful to town. Option one seams unlikly as a game mechanic. if the target A was scum and the random traget B was scum and the random result was town, that would be telling one scum another scum was town. > > Did episki ever pass comment on selecting two targets, or question anyone about two target selection. [/spoiler] this sounds like noise to me > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > [spoiler]Pizza got two results - Episki and NAF > > So your targeting of pizza could have resulted in pizza getting the NAF result. > Someone else targeting pizza could have resulted in him getting you as scum. > > Either result may or may not be true. > > I would assume that because Pizza appears to be a non scum killer anyone targeting pizza lats night had some idea of what their role did > > I assume Episki had a good idea of what their role did, given that he tageted Silver jan, and silver jan said Gnarly was a wolf. > A scum episki would know if that were false (as they would know what alignment gnarly and silverjan were) so a scum episki could target Pizza night two knowing a known killer would get a false read on a town. > > Or a town episki see the result of night one and figures he has a role that will tell their target the alignment of a random player, knowing it would be useful to the killer to be able to differentiate between town and scum. > or teh night one or night two results were interfered with, anyone claim to have targeted Episki N1 or 2? [/spoiler] > Thus I can conclude, EPIski is either town or scum :smack: > > I think Brewha should be left to die, the vote to tie a lynch against a later prooved scum is good enough for me. (Ok so I have low standards) > > Still wondering if we should go back and resolve the Gnarly vs SilverJan with a lunch there, that might help us figure out what Episkis power is as well. > > Still thinking Sanagmans apparent perfect knowledge is a lynchworthy event. Oops noticed that \*\* sangaman \*\* wagon and decides it is lynchworthy now. (didn’t earlier) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=205) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=207)