# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 217
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4322 "2011-09-02T03:39:14Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > that was an ie not an eg **MODERATOR NOTE** ❤ ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4323 "2011-09-02T03:44:42Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > **MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT** > > LightFoot 2.0 (or LF2) will be subbing in to replace DuckburgDK. Please give her a warm welcome, because this is a loooong thread and she’s got a lot of catching up to do. 🙂 WTF I didn’t know it was duckburg that was going to be subbed out. Make that bastard play imo. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4324 "2011-09-02T03:50:57Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > WTF I didn’t know it was duckburg that was going to be subbed out. Make that bastard play imo. 🙂 Intimidated by the amazing moderator-ing imo ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4325 "2011-09-02T06:29:14Z")
**Vote NAF1138** Naf is basically a lock wolf here. I’m reading Idle Thoughts post slip up. Pizza gets the episkey/naf = wolves messages, idle counterclaims his wolf buddy as villager, doesn’t mention episkey. Naf backs up Idle claims with “Idle’s claim makes total sense of my role.” Episkey suggests lynching NAF next after Idle is outed, Idle responds with "Yes! Yes, lynch NAF next. That’s a very good thing to do! " Complete with several smiley faces. Looks like he’s trying a little too hard to fake his enthusiasm. He goes on to say: ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4326 "2011-09-02T06:39:27Z")
Weedy probably villager based on interaction w/ outed idle. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4327 "2011-09-02T06:41:13Z")
Pwnsall very likely villager for pushing the idle/brewha case. Idle prob didn’t know brewhas role at that point and it doesn’t even matter because brewha was already poisoned. If wolves didn’t know if one of them was the antidote then they might as well turbo bus brewha for the villa points. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4328 "2011-09-02T07:05:35Z")
Idle also says: > [@](#): > > Let’s see, let’s lynch NAF next, then Episkey, then lilflower, then JD… Which is after he over does his “yes you should lynch NAF” post… and > [@](#): > > No, no, no..Pwnsall is a wolf. Seriously! You can trust me! > What? Less emphasis than his overreaction but still trying to sell it.. and > [@](#): > > Oh, and furthermore, we’re planning to kill crackedquads toNight! > Keep me alive and I’ll feed you info. > I’ll be like a scum detractor/traitor. : D here’s his claim of me.. and > [@](#): > > I could say all day that the last wolves are NAF, Pwnsall, Episkey and Septimus and you wouldn’t believe me, but it would fit in with my role. again, naf + these 3.. and > [@](#): > > Thing is NAF really DOES know Ed is a third party. When Septimus (who is a scum cop, by the way–gets alignment only results, not full role), got the result that Ed was third party, he told it to all of us (on the scum boards). So there’s no reason for NAF (or any of the other scum) to doubt it. > I think NAF was subtly trying to set up Ed for a future reason for voting there (which, again, is good–since Ed is third party). Septimus can’t be an alignment only wolf seer. That’s a fucking retarded role. Wolves already know who every one is. The only wolf seer would be a full role seer. Septi cleared. and > [@](#): > > Anyway, I’m a traitor. NAF really is a mimic (but a scum one). Septimus is a Cop (we learned that back on Night one when he found Peeker was Town and Night two he learned that crackedquads was Town. Night three was the Ed result). Episkey is a Cop too, but a insane or paranoid one. Pwnsall we don’t know what is yet. And before the slip up we have idle’s big long post where it occurs, which includes these gems: a - claims to target NAF - NAF is a mimic, he selects targets night action the following night. > [@](#): > > Apparently NAF is a villager and he wins when all threats to Town Village have been eliminated b - claims to target SilverJAN - Two messages, one was a block, 2nd Drain Bead = reflector/villager. > [@](#): > > What she does is selects a target each night. Her target’s night action for that night will be redirected back to her target. And she wins when all the threats to Town have been eliminated. Spews Drain Bead villager. States matter of factly that DB wins when all threats to Town have been eliminated but with NAF says "_apparently_ NAF is a villager and wins when all threats to _Town Village_ have been eliminated. In the first underline he’s adding his own wording and the second part is his editing fail, the mod wouldn’t type “Town Village” in the role PM. Naf is going to flip wolf, then he wants us to go episkey/pwnsall/septimus, the 3 who have all had varying degrees of interaction with him who have led to his demise. Naf sticks out from this list, and the difference is Idle actually tries to protect NAF while episkey/pwns/septimus have all treated idle hostilely. Idle’s random spew can still be analyzed, and in my opinion: NAF = wolf Everyone else spewed villager from most villagery to least: Drain Bead Special Ed Septimus Pwnsall Episkey ^ ^ ^ Crackedquads ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ lilflower\* JD\* Looks like I forgot all the special ed quotes but he just tries claiming ed a neutral power doubler over and over again. It spews special ed villager because he’s drawing way too much attention to special who could be taken as a 3rd party at face value. Unfortunately doing so at all would require us to believe the septimus = wolf seer alignment only role, which I guarantee doesn’t exist because wolves don’t need an alignment seer. Ed also being a 3rd party he would need some sort of win condition which doesn’t make sense if his power is a power doubler because he can’t use that power at all to help him actually achieve anything except making randoms stronger. \*Note that one/both of these guys could be wolves because while idle tries to mention them in his spew, he never brings them up again except when posting at the same time as lilflower during his spam. Pwnsall, I hope me just solving half the game for you is villagery enough 😉 Now let’s get the lynch train a rolling and we can POE the rest of the group. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4329 "2011-09-02T07:07:53Z")
Who subbed in for timelady? ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4330 "2011-09-02T07:14:41Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Who subbed in for timelady? Oh, gross, it was pwnsall. From my early game notes I saved a timelady quote about her having a villa lean on idle thoughts for some post(s) he made and had a “if time lady flips wolf, idle wolf??” note in there. Rereading timelady there’s almost only mechanics talk outside of a couple of posts (the above included) but since you apparently subbed in d1 there isn’t that much for her and everyone to talk about yet so it’s essentially a null tell. You’re obv still a villager. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4331 "2011-09-02T07:22:58Z")
I really hate that when I’m actually here to play nobody else is. Goodnight. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4332 "2011-09-02T07:22:59Z")
I must also apologize for being even more irritable that usual these last few days. My excuse is family health crises which have left me almost sleepless. My 10-year old son is home from hospital, almost fully recovered from pneumonia, but I am too sleep-deprived to contribute much right now. Without attempting to make cases I will state my present feelings. 1. NAF is more likely to be Scum than Episkey, IMO, but I’m willing to presume both innocent for now if better candidates appear. 2. I am suspicious of **crackedquads** and will make that official: **Vote: crackedquads** It would be nice to know who killed **Astral**. If it was Scum, a logical motive would be cover for **crackedquads**. (If we knew Astral was killed by the Masons, my suspicion of c-q would be reduced, but still not go away.) Welcome back, **LightFoot**! I’ll assume you are, again, Town, as it would be a strange conflict of interest for Mod to let you play against your own team! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4333 "2011-09-02T13:06:11Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Yeah I get tunnelvision too. > > I don’t know, there’s about 180 reasons if you want to just read some of my posts. What am I supposed to do, dig through my own posts and say “hey look this seems villagery, right?” No one’s peeked me, no one’s claimed anything about me as far as I can tell and I don’t recall anyone claiming to have targeted me, so not sure what it is you’re looking for that will clear me. I targeted you. I doubt that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4334 "2011-09-02T13:09:14Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > the wolf messenger just sent someone a false role > > so if you targeted a mason it may tell them they were a seer or angel or something I think this role is in the game. There’s what PCM said earlier about the apothecary thing, and I no longer think the message I got last night is likely to be true. (It said I was a roleblocker. I did target Idle night two, which matches if he was telling the truth about that. But no one I’ve targeted since has said anything about being blocked today (or earlier), and two people have claimed blocks today who I did not target. So I’m thinking that’s wrong.) ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4335 "2011-09-02T13:48:04Z")
Looking back at the Night 3 results (#3617) we had this: - PizzaGuy mod-killed. Town/Poisoner - gnarlycharlie shot. Town/Mason - TexCat killed. Town/Mason - Astral Rejection shot. Town/Mystic - brewha dead, presumably from poison. Wolf/Vig. Here’s my thought: bewha shot gnarlycharlie and the Wolves ate TexCat. Killing confirmed Town is a Good Thing for Scum, especially when the confirmed Town has a role that threatens the Scum. It’s possible _each_ of gnarlycharlie and TexCat had a Night kill. They might have coordinated their actions to only kill one target. And it’s possible they shot Astral. The question is, WHY? Too many questions, no known Masons around to answer. I was looking at this because of **septimus** ’s curiosity about who might have killed Astral. By the way, I would _never_ assume a killed-off Town player automatically returns as Town. This morning, I’m more willing to hang NAF than hang Episkey. I freely admit part of it is due to Episkey’s defense and NAF’s “I don’t have time”. \*\*unvote Episkey vote NAF1138 \*\* **Gadarene, updated player list please? With Alive/subs and Dead/team/role please?** ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4336 "2011-09-02T14:10:24Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > \ > Spews Drain Bead villager. States matter of factly that DB wins when all threats to Town have been eliminated but with NAF says "_apparently_ NAF is a villager and wins when all threats to _Town Village_ have been eliminated. In the first underline he’s adding his own wording and the second part is his editing fail, the mod wouldn’t type “Town Village” in the role PM. > \ Minor nitpick but every single Villager PM that Gad has posted has this win con: \*You win when all threats to Town Village have been eliminated. \* ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4337 "2011-09-02T14:17:23Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I always use Spivak pronouns in Mafia, until I’m sure of someone’s sex. I am notorious for this. > > At this point, I mostly believe your results and your conclusion that you are an insane alignment whisperer. > To reply to that, I feel it’s in the Town’s interest for me to publish my full list of targets and outcomes. To wit: > > This table assumes that I was reflected onto myself Night 1, as per Drain Bead claiming to have targeted me N1 and Idle claiming to have received a message that Drain Bead is Town/Reflector. I have previously claimed the messages that I received. > > ```auto > > Night Target Message they received > ----- -------------- ---------------------------------- > 1 Scuba Ben gnarlycharlie (now Dead) is a Villager > 2 Giraffe pwnsall is a Villager > 2 AskThePizzaGuy Episkey is a Wolf; NAF1138 is a Wolf > (cannot tell which was mine, > but see D4 #3721 claim by known Scum investigating NAF as Town) > 3 Scuba Ben Weedy (killed Night 4) is a Villager > 4 Drain Bead special ed is a Villager > > ``` > > I conclude from this table that I am a Sane alignment whisperer. And therefore at least one of the messages PizzaGuy reported must be accurate. > > This table also confirms (firmly, to me) that \*\*pwnsall \*\*and \*\*special ed \*\*are Villagers. ed, sorry for doubting you Yesterday. I like all of this but the conclusion that Idle’s original claim about NAF is necessarily true (as to alignment, the other part seems solid). NAF has for the most part avoided pinging me (the peeker vote did slightly, the comments about Special Ed did maybe), but he’s a good player, and he did back off his own bandwagon on Blaster once it picked up steam. Maybe more to the point, Idle’s certainly ballsy enough to lie about a fellow scum’s alignment right off the bat like that. What I don’t entirely understand is where your choices of invesigatee are coming from. I’m guessing it’s from another player, though. > [@Episkey](#): > > I mean I’ve explained this 94 times. > > 1. I’ve targeted Silver Jan,Pizza, Gnarly, Pwnsall > 2. Silver Jan and Pizza received false messages (flipped) > 3. Gnarly died and I received a false message in response (pwnsall) > 4. I targeted pwnsall and got a msg that my role was wolf (false) Assumign you work the same way as Ben does (who I more or less trust to be town), I don’t understand number two or three. Silver Jan – \> gnarly is scum (false). Pizza –\> NAF or Episkey is scum. (Who are you saying has flipped, here?) Gnarly –\> pwnsall is scum. But it went to you, not gnarly. How? Not your role, not gnarly’s. Can’t be Drain Bead, who claimed with evidence to have targeted you last night. So how? Drain Bead town and scum have a duplicate of her role, who targeted Episkey? Also, why target gnarly for your result? Of anyone he seems high risk to be dead in the mornign and unable to report anything. pwnsall – \> Episkey is scum (claimed false). Result went to Episkey, claimed due to targeting by Drain Bead. This is consistent: Episkey and Scuba both seem to choose the recipient of the investigation target, not the target himself. Presumably someone else chose Episkey; that the result went to Episkey himself and not pwnsall is due to Drain Bead. > [@](#): > > I am an insane detective. I get backwards results. It’s that simple, yet the wolves dont even have to kill me because you guys are just gonna lynch me for having a confusing role anyways. I sympathize if you’re town, and to a certain extent understand your frustration “as town” better than I understand NAF’s just rolling over, ignoring the whole thing, and saying “go ahead and lynch me”. I don’t agree with the arguments that an insane (or even a paranoid) cop must be scum; I think that’s too simplistic. Insane cops aren’t even strictly anti-town (arguably quite the opposite, once figured out). Of everything up there I’m mostly bothered by the choice of gnarly, I think. > [@](#): > > We’ve also been from saying “There could be more than one false message” to “If NAF flips villa Episkey has to be scum” which makes literally zero sense ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE SEEN THINGS LIKE PEOPLE HAVING TWO TARGETS. I don’t understand how this relates to the issue that Scuba Ben raised. I do think that, assuming that he is town, either you or NAF must be a wolf. > [@](#): > > The outed wolf yesterday fucked up a claim that completely and utterly implicates me based on town thought process at the time, almost got be lynched, then was caught and now people keep trying to lynch me. > Theres literally no case at all that I’m scum except messages which have been proven false already. None. Zero. Nada. We’re in a great spot and villagers are turning their brains off and autopiloting instead of closing this out. > > Gnarly wasnt a wolf, he was a mason, and my target got a message stating otherwise > > Pizza got one of me saying wolf. I’m not a wolf. It’s backwards. > > I got one yesterday stating pwns was a wolf. He’s not. It’s backwards. > > I got one today stating I’m wolf. I’m not. It’s backwards. I will say this. I don’t think that going after an automatic 50-50 today is the best use of the town’s resources given that we have a vig and appear to be under less than zero time pressure in terms of getting the remaining mafia dead. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4338 "2011-09-02T14:18:21Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > By the by, my visitation yielded no apparent result so I am guessing I am not responsible for that death. > > Also, poisoner huh? Who did you target last Night? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4339 "2011-09-02T14:19:46Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > By the by, my visitation yielded no apparent result so I am guessing I am not responsible for that death. > > Also, poisoner huh? > [@lilflower](#): > > Who did you target last Night? I meant who did you target Night 3? Sorry - I think we know that, right? You targeted me and Normal Phase so doesn’t that mean that you used one of our powers on Lightfoot? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4340 "2011-09-02T14:20:39Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Looking back at the Night 3 results (#3617) we had this: > > - PizzaGuy mod-killed. Town/Poisoner > - gnarlycharlie shot. Town/Mason > - TexCat killed. Town/Mason > - Astral Rejection shot. Town/Mystic > - brewha dead, presumably from poison. Wolf/Vig. > > Here’s my thought: bewha shot gnarlycharlie and the Wolves ate TexCat. Killing confirmed Town is a Good Thing for Scum, especially when the confirmed Town has a role that threatens the Scum. It’s possible _each_ of gnarlycharlie and TexCat had a Night kill. They might have coordinated their actions to only kill one target. And it’s possible they shot Astral. The question is, WHY? Pizza was after him, that’s all I can think of. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4341 "2011-09-02T14:22:24Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > What I don’t entirely understand is where your choices of invesigatee are coming from. I’m guessing it’s from another player, though. If I understand correctly, you’re asking from where comes the person whose alignment gets whispered to the recipient. That, I have no idea. For all I know, it’s purely random. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=216) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=218)