# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 218
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4342 "2011-09-02T14:25:00Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I meant who did you target Night 3? > > Sorry - I think we know that, right? You targeted me and Normal Phase so doesn’t that mean that you used one of our powers on Lightfoot? Or both. As I said last night I think that means you (and me) are not the backup vig If we were there would have been more shots fired than just one. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4343 "2011-09-02T14:26:49Z")
NETA: I accept Idle’s claim of NAF’s role as accurate, and do not trust Idle’s claim of NAF’s alignment – or indeed, Idle’s claims of anybody’s alignment. Given that Idle was not a traitor to the Wolves, his list of the remaining Scum is extremely unlikely to be fully accurate. So: PizzaGuy got two messages of “WOLF!” Idle kept claiming that he sent the one about Episkey. Idle also claimed lots of other stuff. So his posts shouldn’t be trusted. Scummy Scum is Scummy. So it’s back to good old analysis of both of them. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4344 "2011-09-02T14:31:16Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I must also apologize for being even more irritable that usual these last few days. My excuse is family health crises which have left me almost sleepless. My 10-year old son is home from hospital, almost fully recovered from pneumonia, but I am too sleep-deprived to contribute much right now. > > Without attempting to make cases I will state my present feelings. > > 1. NAF is more likely to be Scum than Episkey, IMO, but I’m willing to presume both innocent for now if better candidates appear. > 2. I am suspicious of **crackedquads** and will make that official: > > [COLOR=“Blue”]\*\*Vote: crackedquads > > It would be nice to know who killed **Astral**. If it was Scum, a logical motive would be cover for **crackedquads**. Why? I feel like I missed something here. Crackedquads is on my list due to his initial response to Idle’s “we’re gonna kill him” post; I’ll go grab it. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4345 "2011-09-02T14:32:19Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > If I understand correctly, you’re asking from where comes the person whose alignment gets whispered to the recipient. That, I have no idea. For all I know, it’s purely random. Yeah, that’s what I’m asking. Random is possible but not exactly satisfying. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4346 "2011-09-02T14:33:45Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > So it’s back to good old analysis of both of them. Day Two is probably the most useful in that regard – BlasterMaster’s lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4347 "2011-09-02T14:39:34Z")
This: > [@crackedquads](#): > > FWIW you’ve already spewed me villager. No way I’m a wolf that you say is going to be the nightkill because when you guys don’t actually nightkill me I’m prob going to get lynched. And if you do actually NK me like you say, well I’ll be dead and it won’t matter lol “when you don’t actually NK me I’ll get lynched” feels self-conscious enough that if there is a wolf among the players named by Idle that are not NAF or Episkey, my first guess would be cracked quads. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4348 "2011-09-02T14:41:18Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I was unable to perform my action last Night. I have no explanation, but I know it to be true. > > In the game, I mean, not with the little people. This might make sense if NAF targeted you and Normal Phase really is a roleblocker (like it says in the PM she received). ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4349 "2011-09-02T14:58:29Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Yeah, that’s what I’m asking. Random is possible but not exactly satisfying. I agree it’s not satisfying. However, as a practical matter I cannot discern between: [ol] [li]Random selection[/li][li]Choice (or other action) by another player[/li][li]Gadarene deciding who best to fuck with[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4350 "2011-09-02T15:08:04Z")
Here is what we know about Scuba and Episkey’s messages. Just playing the percentages, we’ve got two true messages from Scuba Ben to one false message from Episkey. It’s not much to go on (and Scuba could be lying although I’m not sure what he would gain from that) but I’m willing to vote based on this (mostly because it’s confusing, is taking up too much of town’s time and it’s a holiday weekend!). If Scuba is sending out true alignment, then either Episkey or NAF is scum. If Episkey is sending out false alignment (which seems apparent given the gnarly message), then the NAF message is very likely to be true. Scuba Ben targets gnarlycharlie and gets a message that gnarly is town ( **True** ) Scuba Ben targets Giraffe who gets a message that pwnsall is town (Unknown) Scuba Ben targets AskthePizzaGuy who gets a message that NAF is scum (Unknown) and one that Episkey is scum (Unknown) Scuba Ben targets Weedy and gets a message that Weedy is town ( **True** ) Scuba Ben targets Drain Bead who gets a message that Ed is town (Unknown) Episkey targets Jan who gets a message that gnarly is scum ( **False** ) Episkey targets AskthePizzaGuy who gets a message that NAF is scum (Unknown) and one that Episkey is scum (Unknown) Episkey targets gnarly and gets a message that pwnsall is scum (Unknown) Episkey targets pwnsall who gets a message that Episkey is scum (Unknown) \*\* vote NAF\*\* Also, it’s Labor Day weekend and I have plans so I will not have much time to participate between now and the end of the Day. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4351 "2011-09-02T15:11:26Z")
@ lilflower – only if NAF really is a power-stealer and not just a mimic; otherwise my own choices should also have been blocked. I’m not about to force revelation of roleblock or lack thereof out of people of unknown alignment, but none other than Idle have ever claimed freely. And NAF-as-power-stealer has more or less been disproven: I had two actions last night (from NAF’s action of the previous night); Drain Bead also claims two actions last night (from the original owner of the power, Special Ed). ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4352 "2011-09-02T15:15:20Z")
Bloody heck. I goofed and misread my own notes. :smack: :smack: :smack: On Night 1, Drain Bead reflected me from targeting gnarlycharlie to targeting me. That I had reported accurately. What I misreported was my table of messages. The ACTUAL message I received was that Silver Jan is a Villager. SHE got the message about gnarlycharlie. I’m astounded it took me this long to catch this mistake. {poke} {self} And to correct your list, on N3 I targeted myself not Weedy. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4353 "2011-09-02T15:44:59Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > @ lilflower – only if NAF really is a power-stealer and not just a mimic; otherwise my own choices should also have been blocked. I’m not about to force revelation of roleblock or lack thereof out of people of unknown alignment, but none other than Idle have ever claimed freely. And NAF-as-power-stealer has more or less been disproven: I had two actions last night (from NAF’s action of the previous night); Drain Bead also claims two actions last night (from the original owner of the power, Special Ed). If I recall correctly, the only claims of being roleblocked (not including Idle for obvious reasons) are pwnsall (Night 1) and Ed (Night 3). If you are a roleblocker, I think there would be one more person blocked last Night since NAF would have blocked them (since he was mimicking you). You said you targeted crackedquads. Was it Night 1? I just noticed something in my notes (so I’m not sure if I wrote this down correctly) about pwnsall saying she targeted crackedquads Night 1 and was blocked. I don’t know if that means anything but it’s an interesting coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4354 "2011-09-02T16:02:22Z")
No, it was night three. My RNG’ed pick (I had no computer access). Suburban Plankton also claimed to have been roleblocked last night; he said he tried to track you but couldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4355 "2011-09-02T16:06:16Z")
I thought I posted this this morning, but I cannot find it: > [@crackedquads](#): > > I really hate that when I’m actually here to play nobody else is. Goodnight. I think you play the game differently. I’m going to ignore everything Idle said after his claim because it’s WiFoM on top of WiFoM. I mean, did he initially try to clear a Scumbuddy NAF and then go over the top trying to have him lynched so we’d think NAF was Town? Or did he do it so that we’d think that he went over the top so that we’d think NAF was Town? So, I can’t be sure if he was trying to protect a Scumbuddy NAF with his claim or if he was hoping to earn some Townie Cred by giving a positive result on NAF. What I don’t like about NAF: 1. His continual smudging of me. He claims I seem scummy but hasn’t even given a metagame reason. He just puts it out there without any support, even acknowledging that he can’t think of anything I’ve done. 2. There is a wolf read on him. We’ve already had 2 false reads. (Gnarly and Blam, right?) how many false reads are out there? I have to believe that one of NAF or Episkey are true reads. 3. His power appears to be a ‘stealing’ power more than a ‘mimic’ power. 4. Idle identified NAF’s power before NAF did (I think) Tbat means he knew it either through a Scum investigation or because NAF is a Scumbuddy. I don’t think I’ve voted yet \*\*Vote: NAF \*\* ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4356 "2011-09-02T16:09:10Z")
[quote=“Normal\_Phase, post:4337, topic:593025”] I like all of this but the conclusion that Idle’s original claim about NAF is necessarily true (as to alignment, the other part seems solid). NAF has for the most part avoided pinging me (the peeker vote did slightly, the comments about Special Ed did maybe), but he’s a good player, and he did back off his own bandwagon on Blaster once it picked up steam. Maybe more to the point, Idle’s certainly ballsy enough to lie about a fellow scum’s alignment right off the bat like that./quote] As I recall, you echoed his comments on me, promised an analysis and failed to deliver. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4357 "2011-09-02T16:12:57Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Not sure on what my role for reasons I won’t state unless anyone wants to claim to have targeted me. I targeted you. > [@crackedquads](#): > > Weedy probably villager based on interaction w/ outed idle. Yes, I’d say the probability of him being a Villager is 100%, considering he was killed last Night. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4358 "2011-09-02T16:14:07Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I thought I posted this this morning, but I cannot find it: > > I think you play the game differently. > > I’m going to ignore everything Idle said after his claim because it’s WiFoM on top of WiFoM. > > I mean, did he initially try to clear a Scumbuddy NAF and then go over the top trying to have him lynched so we’d think NAF was Town? > > Or did he do it so that we’d think that he went over the top so that we’d think NAF was Town? > > So, I can’t be sure if he was trying to protect a Scumbuddy NAF with his claim or if he was hoping to earn some Townie Cred by giving a positive result on NAF. > > What I don’t like about NAF: > > 1. His continual smudging of me. He claims I seem scummy but hasn’t even given a metagame reason. He just puts it out there without any support, even acknowledging that he can’t think of anything I’ve done. > 2. There is a wolf read on him. We’ve already had 2 false reads. (Gnarly and Blam, right?) how many false reads are out there? I have to believe that one of NAF or Episkey are true reads. > 3. His power appears to be a ‘stealing’ power more than a ‘mimic’ power. > 4. Idle identified NAF’s power before NAF did (I think) Tbat means he knew it either through a Scum investigation or because NAF is a Scumbuddy. > > I don’t think I’ve voted yet > > \*\*Vote: NAF \*\* I don’t disagree with your vote (since I’m voting for NAF as well) but I will say that I was able to use my power last Night so I don’t think he is a power stealer (but that doesn’t make him town, either). As for you targeting buff Night 3 and she claiming she didn’t get two targets, it occurred to me that you might have been redirected in some way (it seems that we have some roles that redirect targets without notifying the targeter so it’s a possibility). And I’ll give that my standard disclaimer since I don’t know anything about your or buff’s alignment at this point: There is always the possibility that you and/or buff is lying. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4359 "2011-09-02T16:14:48Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Welcome back, **LightFoot**! I’ll assume you are, again, Town, as it would be a strange conflict of interest for Mod to let you play against your own team! 😃 Why would you assume this? It would be a conflict for a former Scum to return as Town, but I see no conflict with a Townie returning as Scum (or 3rd Party). ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4360 "2011-09-02T16:15:28Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > @ lilflower – only if NAF really is a power-stealer and not just a mimic; otherwise my own choices should also have been blocked. I’m not about to force revelation of roleblock or lack thereof out of people of unknown alignment, but none other than Idle have ever claimed freely. And NAF-as-power-stealer has more or less been disproven: I had two actions last night (from NAF’s action of the previous night); Drain Bead also claims two actions last night (from the original owner of the power, Special Ed). But the Night after NAF visited me, my power appeared to fail. How could you have gotten 2 actions from NAF when he used that power on himself? That is what allowed him to target you and Lilflower, and my power appeared to return to me. If you were doubled because NAF continues to pass on my power for multiple Nights, why didn’t lilflower get doubled? This is much too inconsistent with how things appear to have unfolded. **Unvote: NAF** **Vote: Normal Phase** You’re not providing an accurate depiction of how the events should have unfolded. When NAF targeted you, he should have stolen your power. He doesn’t provide you with any power, let alone mine. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4361 "2011-09-02T16:17:17Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > (It said I was a roleblocker. Did you receive a complete Role PM, like \*\*Ed \*\*and **PCM** did? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=217) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=219)