# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 220
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4382 "2011-09-02T17:44:38Z")
Hurry up normal you probably won’t spew yourself wolf here. ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4383 "2011-09-02T17:45:21Z")
Gad, thanks for the player list. i think i need to start a spreadhseet for what days are which, it seems so damn random to me. Looks like I have all weekend at least 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4384 "2011-09-02T17:45:49Z")
**DAY FIVE VOTE COUNT** Through #4381. NAF1138 (4): Episkey [4261], crackedquads [4324], Scuba\_Ben [4334], lilflower [4349], [del]special ed [4354][/del] Episkey (2): [del]Scuba\_Ben [4247][/del], Silver Jan [4252], Drain Bead [4303] crackedquads (1): septimus [4331] Normal Phase (1): special ed [4359] Please PM me with any corrections. Also, I updated my signature to include Days Three and Four. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4385 "2011-09-02T17:55:16Z")
:dubious::dubious:OMG, this forum has a skeptical face. I’m back and much less irritated than yesterday. Time to find wolves: If we assume that one of me/naf has to be scum - and I believe we’re at the point where that’s true - then I have a theory on something wolves will probably do today, but want to let it play out first. Prior to eod I will explain my theory and how it could apply to today in full, but I’m going to let some votes fall before I do. When is eod so I don’t miss it again? CQ is taking a lot of stock into what we can or cannot determine is a level yet. CQ, I agree with you entirely that Idle’s statements after outed are going to be very readable for spew, but I believe we have to wait until this NAF/me thing is resolved first. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4386 "2011-09-02T17:56:31Z")
Side note: @CQ: “Town Village” is pretty damn clever considering the good guys are a “village” on pog while a “town” here. So “town village” covers both. I’m a bit uh, concerned would be the word, that you don’t know that? ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4387 "2011-09-02T17:56:46Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > :dubious::dubious:OMG, this forum has a skeptical face. > I’m back and much less irritated than yesterday. Time to find wolves: > If we assume that one of me/naf has to be scum - and I believe we’re at the point where that’s true - then I have a theory on something wolves will probably do today, but want to let it play out first. Prior to eod I will explain my theory and how it could apply to today in full, but I’m going to let some votes fall before I do. > > When is eod so I don’t miss it again? > > CQ is taking a lot of stock into what we can or cannot determine is a level yet. CQ, I agree with you entirely that Idle’s statements after outed are going to be very readable for spew, but I believe we have to wait until this NAF/me thing is resolved first. No we don’t, the rest of idle’s spew is not dependent at all on whether or not NAF is a wolf, rather idle’s spew may make NAF a wolf and others non-wolf. There’s a correlation of course but not causation. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4388 "2011-09-02T17:57:55Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Side note: > > @CQ: “Town Village” is pretty damn clever considering the good guys are a “village” on pog while a “town” here. So “town village” covers both. > > I’m a bit uh, concerned would be the word, that you don’t know that? The only thing to be concerned with is that apparently I’m not reading role reveals that closely. Town Village sounds like stupid wording. It’s just poor language use and should read Town/Village instead. There’s no such thing as a town village. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4389 "2011-09-02T17:58:04Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > There obviously is information to be gained from Idle’s spew and I don’t know why you would suggest otherwise. You do say that he’s likely to mention one or two, which is in line with NAF being a wolf. > > When scum is blathering all over the thread, he’s not just spewing useless information. That wolf is still going to have inclinations about who he should mention and what he should stay, after all he still has a team to protect. That makes him more likely to talk about villagers and more likely to spew players as villagers. He’s going to be hesitant to mention wolves as he doesn’t know what we know and him outing conflicting/new information about his buddies will cause more lynches. So he focuses the majority of his posts on villagers. This shouldn’t even be up for debate. > > Do you think NAF is a wolf or not? He wouldn’t be at the top of my list absent the 50-50 thing. If you held a gun to my head right now and made me choose between him and Episkey I’m not sure which way I would go. NAF’s current behavior makes me want to vote him, but he has the better vote record, having started the BlasterMaster wagon while Episkey only joined it later. Backing off to go after Inner for a while doesn’t entirely erase that. And yes, more likely to mention villagers. You didn’t answer my question. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4390 "2011-09-02T17:59:21Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Hurry up normal you probably won’t spew yourself wolf here. What? ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4391 "2011-09-02T17:59:45Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > The only thing to be concerned with is that apparently I’m not reading role reveals that closely. Town Village sounds like stupid wording. It’s just poor language use and should read Town/Village instead. There’s no such thing as a town village. Also in Idle big analysis post before he spews himself wolf, he distinctly uses the term Town Village describing NAF but does not use that term when describing the other player (I forget who). Why would that be? I just snap assumed it was because “Town Village” was an editing fail on his part, but maybe the fail was wrt the other player he was talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4392 "2011-09-02T18:00:32Z")
I went through the posts (the moderately hard way) and pulled the list of the Dead. The necronomilist: ```auto Day 1 Krayz Town/Bureaucrat Night 1 Mahaloth WOLF/Tracker GuiriEnEspaña Town/Vigilante Silman Town/Journalist Day 2 Blaster Master WOLF/Propagandist Night 2 Dancecat Town/Town Crier Inner Stickler Town/Beat Cop peekercpa Town/Lightning Rod Day 3 Sangaman WOLF/Doctor Night 3 AskThePizzaGuy Town/Poisoner (modkill) TexCat Town/Mason gnarlycharlie Town/Mason Astral Rejection Town/Mystic brewha WOLF/Vigilante (poisoned Night 2) Day 4 Idle Thoughts WOLF/Detective Night 4 LightFoot v1 Town/Mason Weedy Town/Mystic ``` Total of five Wolves down. I took Gad’s list of Living players and tagged it with my estimates on sides. I have 9 out of 20 listed as “no feel”, so I have much to consider this coming weekend. I believe resolving Pizza’s messages by lynching either Episkey or NAF is important Today, as long as we don’t lose sight of finding all remaining Wolves. However, my list does not include anybody tagged as “strongly leaning Wolf.” ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4393 "2011-09-02T18:00:56Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > He wouldn’t be at the top of my list absent the 50-50 thing. If you held a gun to my head right now and made me choose between him and Episkey I’m not sure which way I would go. NAF’s current behavior makes me want to vote him, but he has the better vote record, having started the BlasterMaster wagon while Episkey only joined it later. Backing off to go after Inner for a while doesn’t entirely erase that. > > And yes, more likely to mention villagers. You didn’t answer my question. I won’t give you information when you’re at best 50/50 to be a wolf, so I’m not sharing. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4394 "2011-09-02T18:01:55Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > No we don’t, the rest of idle’s spew is not dependent at all on whether or not NAF is a wolf, rather idle’s spew may make NAF a wolf and others non-wolf. There’s a correlation of course but not causation. Ok. I just hate trying to decipher all that nonsense. So far you believe it shows you as a villager though if I’m correct? The four were me, naf, pwnsall, you right? Pwnsall is lock villa, naf is lock scum (though you dont know that of course. To you it’s me/naf are 1/1 lock), and then you. Considering NAF is outed pretty much (again, or me) I’m gonna try to chew on if he’d actually list a second wolf there. > [@crackedquads](#): > > The only thing to be concerned with is that apparently I’m not reading role reveals that closely. Town Village sounds like stupid wording. It’s just poor language use and should read Town/Village instead. There’s no such thing as a town village. Haha alright. I liked it 🙂 Not really relevant though in the grand scheme of things ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4395 "2011-09-02T18:06:21Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Ok. I just hate trying to decipher all that nonsense. So far you believe it shows you as a villager though if I’m correct? > > The four were me, naf, pwnsall, you right? > > Pwnsall is lock villa, naf is lock scum (though you dont know that of course. To you it’s me/naf are 1/1 lock), and then you. Considering NAF is outed pretty much (again, or me) I’m gonna try to chew on if he’d actually list a second wolf there. > > Haha alright. I liked it 🙂 Not really relevant though in the grand scheme of things Not quite, this is what I said in likelihood of villageriness Drain Bead Special Ed Septimus Pwnsall Episkey ^ ^ ^ Crackedquads ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ lilflower\* JD\* Drain Bead, Special Ed, Septimus, Pwnsall and you were all spewed villagers, in that order. I also was spewed villa but the circumstances are less concrete than the above 5. Lilflower and JD were also mentioned but not expanded on by idle despite all of his time to spew so I’m not quite sure what to make of that. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4396 "2011-09-02T18:07:03Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > The only thing to be concerned with is that apparently I’m not reading role reveals that closely. Town Village sounds like stupid wording. It’s just poor language use and should read Town/Village instead. There’s no such thing as a town village. It’s a village by the name of Town ldo ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4397 "2011-09-02T18:11:28Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I won’t give you information when you’re at best 50/50 to be a wolf, so I’m not sharing. At best 50/50, really, so high? What are you trying to hide, crackedquads? You say you’ve been roleblocked or ineffective every single night so far. Which is it? Not knowing your role yet’s no crime, but you don’t say “no apparent effect”, you specifically say you may have been roleblocked. Yet you’ve never said anything about it before now, and you won’t say on which nights. And you’re making arguments about what Idle would or would not do as scum that seek to excuse your own self-conscious response to his comment about you. **vote: Cracked quads** @ Episkey – Idle also mentioned Drain Bead, Ed and Septimus, at least; there may have been more I’ve forgotten. I have questions for you a couple pages back, too. I’m also still considerably suspicious of Zeriel. I went and looked to see if what he’d done since my case on him and there was essentially nothing but the obligatory vote on Idle Thoughts: he says he’s been sick. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4398 "2011-09-02T18:11:52Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Villager (which we now know came from Dancecat, herself, targeting me). > > The FIRST message–that I’m finally revealing since I think it’s a good time to start to try to figure out what we all are–said that **NAF1138 is a Mimic**. That each night beginning Night Zero, he selects a target. He then will emulate his target’s night action the following night. > Also: Apparently NAF is a Villager and he wins when all threats to Town Village have been eliminated. > > Well, suffice to say, I was pretty happy because I figured I was the detective (the being the key word here; it didn’t occur to me, at the time, that there could be multiples). > > I also notice that NAF’s message read that his action starts on NIGHT 0…so he’s the one action that went through, I’m guessing. > **Night 2, I targeted Silver Jan** , for thinking she was the most suspicious of the huge kerfuffle on Day 2. > > Morning came, and I got TWO results (only one of which I relayed): One, that I was blocked (this is the one I told everyone)…but I had another from someone else, apparently… **The other informed me that, apparently, Drain Bead is a reflector, and a Villager.** > What she does is selects a target each night. Her target’s night action for that night will be redirected back to her target. And she wins when all the threats to Town have been eliminated. This is what I’m talking about. I figured the first one about NAF was an edited fail, but maybe he just went to greater care in crafting his fakepeek about naf because they’re w/w. NAF’s win condition wording is correct while Drain Bead’s is not. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4399 "2011-09-02T18:12:58Z")
@normal which post number? I must have missed them sry. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4400 "2011-09-02T18:13:35Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > At best 50/50, really, so high? What are you trying to hide, crackedquads? You say you’ve been roleblocked or ineffective every single night so far. Which is it? Not knowing your role yet’s no crime, but you don’t say “no apparent effect”, you specifically say you may have been roleblocked. Yet you’ve never said anything about it before now, and you won’t say on which nights. And you’re making arguments about what Idle would or would not do as scum that seek to excuse your own self-conscious response to his comment about you. > > **vote: Cracked quads** > > @ Episkey – Idle also mentioned Drain Bead, Ed and Septimus, at least; there may have been more I’ve forgotten. I have questions for you a couple pages back, too. > > I’m also still considerably suspicious of Zeriel. I went and looked to see if what he’d done since my case on him and there was essentially nothing but the obligatory vote on Idle Thoughts: he says he’s been sick. Poor case is poor. You don’t even want to lynch NAF which is so lol, but I like all the “maybe he is” “i guess he could be” qualifiers. You’re trying to give yourself outs for why you’re not lynching the lolobvious wolf. You’re going to be lynched right after NAF flips wolf. If NAF dies and is a villager, then feel free to lynch me. This is the easiest bet in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4401 "2011-09-02T18:14:19Z")
Original case on Zeriel: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14183260&highlight=zeriel#post14183260](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14183260&highlight=zeriel#post14183260) I don’t think it’s ever been responded to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=219) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=221)