# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 221
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4402 "2011-09-02T18:14:35Z")
I’ll gladly confirm for suburban if he’s a roleblocker or not, but no, I refuse to do it for a likely wolf named Normal Phase. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4403 "2011-09-02T18:15:26Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Not quite, this is what I said in likelihood of villageriness > > Drain Bead > Special Ed > Septimus > Pwnsall > Episkey > ^ > ^ > ^ > Crackedquads > ^ > ^ > ^ > ^ > ^ > lilflower\* > JD\* > > Drain Bead, Special Ed, Septimus, Pwnsall and you were all spewed villagers, in that order. I also was spewed villa but the circumstances are less concrete than the above 5. Lilflower and JD were also mentioned but not expanded on by idle despite all of his time to spew so I’m not quite sure what to make of that. Wooow. You really think so? Like, I hate trying to decipher things like this because, well, if Idle really did spew all these people it’d be horrible play. Once you’re caught, why not shut down instead of spew 8 people’s roles? It just doesn’t make logical sense you know? That’s why I’m worried about taking it at face value since there’s gotta be something more there. Idk, maybe I’m wrong. I’ve never encountered anything like Idle’s posting yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4404 "2011-09-02T18:15:46Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Original case on Zeriel: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14183260&highlight=zeriel#post14183260](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14183260&highlight=zeriel#post14183260) > > I don’t think it’s ever been responded to. I like how you had this all chambered ready to go in case you get heat. You probably should have just made a sign that says “please don’t lynch me!!!” ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4405 "2011-09-02T18:17:50Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I did get two targets last Night. That’s messed up. Then how did NAF get to use his power on himself 2 Nights ago? maybe it’s related to my being blocked last Night? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4406 "2011-09-02T18:18:55Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > lilflower did get doubled as far as I’m aware, or certainly shoudl have. Confirm please, lilflower? Because if you didn’t then there is something wrong. > > Two nights ago NAF claims to have targeted you. As a result he gets your doubler power to use the next night (night three). That night you target Drain Bead. NAF targets me and lilflower. All three of us get our own powers doubled for the next night (night four). I did, Drain Bead claims to have, and I’m assuming lilflower did. That means both you and NAF succeeded on the night after he targeted you. What happened to you last night doesn’t matter to this. but he claim to have targetted himself the Night after targeting me, which is why he could target both of you. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4407 "2011-09-02T18:18:58Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Wooow. You really think so? Like, I hate trying to decipher things like this because, well, if Idle really did spew all these people it’d be horrible play. Once you’re caught, why not shut down instead of spew 8 people’s roles? It just doesn’t make logical sense you know? That’s why I’m worried about taking it at face value since there’s gotta be something more there. > Idk, maybe I’m wrong. I’ve never encountered anything like Idle’s posting yesterday. I’m pretty sure fwiw. Obviously I could be wrong about a guy or two, but I’d wager that 75% of those are correct. Idle didn’t choose to shut down though, he chose to spew. That spew can be deciphered. Him spewing doesn’t really make sense, but we can make sense of who he spews about. There’s no way in hell he spews and spews all his wolfbros here. Most of his posts were quick shots off and don’t appear to be crafted at all, just him throwing dirt at a select few who would stick. The ones he was trying to throw under the bus? Players who have invariably lead to his demise. He left the wolf bros out except for NAF. And come on, if you’ve been reading this whole thread there’s been a lot of shit here that we’ve never encountered on 2p2. +EV isn’t exactly an understood concept here. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4408 "2011-09-02T18:19:11Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Poor case is poor. You don’t even want to lynch NAF which is so lol, but I like all the “maybe he is” “i guess he could be” qualifiers. You’re trying to give yourself outs for why you’re not lynching the lolobvious wolf. You’re going to be lynched right after NAF flips wolf. If NAF dies and is a villager, then feel free to lynch me. This is the easiest bet in the world. This is actually a piece of that theory I mentioned earlier. I think I might as well discuss it now since it’s already being talked about a touch: If we’re correct to assume one of NAF/Me is scum (Again, speaking from an outside perspective) for sure and the other is town for sure, I would think the goal for scum today would be to keep BOTH me and NAF alive today - and hell for as long as possible. The longer this confusion remains front and center in the thread, the longer we’re not hunting the rest of the wolves. The longer one of us is alive, the longer the other is too. So my theory is those who are trying to force the lynch in a non-NAF/Me direction today could be wolves. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4409 "2011-09-02T18:19:58Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > That’s messed up. > > Then how did NAF get to use his power on himself 2 Nights ago? > > maybe it’s related to my being blocked last Night? Maybe I’m missing something but NAF only used your power on himself. Why does that not seem plausible? You used your power on buff but maybe you were redirected in some way that you didn’t know about. Or maybe buff is lying. ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4410 "2011-09-02T18:21:17Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > NETA: nutsack. > > **vote sangaman** ok i have been just jumping around reading EOD’s and starts of days, particularly paying attention to Idle Thoughts. Questions: how did he get outted? WTF does NETA mean? Idle was quick to jump on sanga, I think the wolves def bussed him. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4411 "2011-09-02T18:21:40Z")
Episkey: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14211623&postcount=4336](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14211623&postcount=4336) @ CQ: Lately my crappy cases are better than the “good” ones. So thanks for the compliment. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4412 "2011-09-02T18:22:05Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > The only thing to be concerned with is that apparently I’m not reading role reveals that closely. Town Village sounds like stupid wording. It’s just poor language use and should read Town/Village instead. There’s no such thing as a town village. maybe it’s The Village of Town ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4413 "2011-09-02T18:22:09Z")
I’m really having trouble adding all this up. **Scuba Ben** and **Episkey** , do you mind rehashing your targets and what they reported into the thread the next Day? I must say, this is the best Mafia game I’ve played in in quite some time. But damn, is it giving me a headache. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4414 "2011-09-02T18:22:20Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I like how you had this all chambered ready to go in case you get heat. You probably should have just made a sign that says “please don’t lynch me!!!” Actually, the case isn’t a bad one. I’m going to ponder it some ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4415 "2011-09-02T18:24:40Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Maybe I’m missing something but NAF only used your power on himself. Why does that not seem plausible? You used your power on buff but maybe you were redirected in some way that you didn’t know about. Or maybe buff is lying. I suppose one option is that there is a scum version of peeker’s role and that role targeted buff and got whatever might have been directed to her. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4416 "2011-09-02T18:26:19Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I’m pretty sure fwiw. Obviously I could be wrong about a guy or two, but I’d wager that 75% of those are correct. > > Idle didn’t choose to shut down though, he chose to spew. That spew can be deciphered. Him spewing doesn’t really make sense, but we can make sense of who he spews about. There’s no way in hell he spews and spews all his wolfbros here. Most of his posts were quick shots off and don’t appear to be crafted at all, just him throwing dirt at a select few who would stick. The ones he was trying to throw under the bus? Players who have invariably lead to his demise. He left the wolf bros out except for NAF. > > And come on, if you’ve been reading this whole thread there’s been a lot of shit here that we’ve never encountered on 2p2. +EV isn’t exactly an understood concept here. But see, Idle is experienced. He very well could have fingered all of his wolf buddies or all but 1. Ot all Town, or all Town and 1 Scum. For all I know, he could have put all the names in a randomizer and decuided to accuse them. He’s that smart. Knowing we’d waste valuable time trying to figure out what he wanted us to think and what he didn’t want us to think. it’s all wine. And it’s nasty white zinfandel at that. I’m not drinking it. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4417 "2011-09-02T18:26:51Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’m really having trouble adding all this up. > > **Scuba Ben** and **Episkey** , do you mind rehashing your targets and what they reported into the thread the next Day? > > I must say, this is the best Mafia game I’ve played in in quite some time. But damn, is it giving me a headache. I dont know how to make cool little tables like Ben, so itll be sloppy. N0: I targeted Dancecat. My assumption being that the only role to work on n0 would be an investigation. No result. N1: I targeted Silver Jan, who was a wolf suspect of mine d1. I had voted her that day. She responded next day to receive a “gnaly=wolf” msg. N2: Since Silver Jan wasn’t dead, I didn’t get an investigation, or anything else easily verified, I targeted Pizza - someone vocal in the thread whose role I was unsure on. He said next day to have received 2 msgs: Episkey is scum, NAF is scum. N3: This was after I had figured out what was going on, and I wanted to make sure to send my messages to cleared villagers so data wouldn’t be tampered with. I chose confirmed mason Gnarly, but he died. I received a msg stating Pwnsall was a wolf. I do not know if I got it because gnarly died, if I was redirected, if I was reflected, or what. Best guess is because Gnarly died. N4: I targeted lock clear pwnsall. He didn’t receive a message, I did get one stating I was a wolf. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4418 "2011-09-02T18:27:14Z")
> [@J.D](#): > > ok i have been just jumping around reading EOD’s and starts of days, particularly paying attention to Idle Thoughts. > > Questions: how did he get outted? > > WTF does NETA mean? > > Idle was quick to jump on sanga, I think the wolves def bussed him. Idle posted a claim and forgot to change his win condition (septimus was the first to catch it) “NETA” means “Not Edited to Add” since we cannot edit. And are you saying you think Giraffe is scum? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4419 "2011-09-02T18:29:05Z")
> [@J.D](#): > > ok i have been just jumping around reading EOD’s and starts of days, particularly paying attention to Idle Thoughts. > > Questions: how did he get outted? > > WTF does NETA mean? > > Idle was quick to jump on sanga, I think the wolves def bussed him. Or maybe he was the only wolf, or maybe a couple of wolves did. Because wolves aren’t stupid, and they’ll know in advance what we might think about different situations. Do you guys never consider WiFoM over there? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4420 "2011-09-02T18:29:17Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > but he claim to have targetted himself the Night after targeting me, which is why he could target both of you. No, you’re right, but I think I also had the nights wrong. Which night did he target you? If you have the post number that’d be best. Night One: targets you, (unknowingly) gains power doubling Night Two: uses your power on himself. Gains nothing new for the next night, but due to use of your power now has two targets for Night Three Night Three: targets me and Lilflower … No, wait, I think I see the problem even if I don’t understand it. How did lilflower and I get doubled if his previous target was himself, not you. Who did he target and when? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4421 "2011-09-02T18:30:11Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Maybe I’m missing something but NAF only used your power on himself. Why does that not seem plausible? You used your power on buff but maybe you were redirected in some way that you didn’t know about. Or maybe buff is lying. fine, but why were you and Normal doubled if NAF had used my power on himself? Dopes he get to keep using my power forever? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=220) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=222)