# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 222
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4422 "2011-09-02T18:31:14Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Or maybe he was the only wolf, or maybe a couple of wolves did. > > Because wolves aren’t stupid, and they’ll know in advance what we might think about different situations. > > Do you guys never consider WiFoM over there? Well, the concepts the same we just refer to it as “leveling” since you never know which level they are on ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4423 "2011-09-02T18:31:16Z")
no, I am not accusing anyone of anything yet. I am merely getting my hands wrapped around this game a bit since I havent had time to spend on it. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4424 "2011-09-02T18:31:55Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > This is actually a piece of that theory I mentioned earlier. I think I might as well discuss it now since it’s already being talked about a touch: > > If we’re correct to assume one of NAF/Me is scum (Again, speaking from an outside perspective) for sure and the other is town for sure, I would think the goal for scum today would be to keep BOTH me and NAF alive today - and hell for as long as possible. The longer this confusion remains front and center in the thread, the longer we’re not hunting the rest of the wolves. The longer one of us is alive, the longer the other is too. > > So my theory is those who are trying to force the lynch in a non-NAF/Me direction today could be wolves. Thoughts? Agree to a degree. I think he just doesn’t want NAF to get lynched. Note his reaction to me, I don’t give him the information he wants (he’s basically asking if I know he’s a roleblocker), then tell him that I won’t give him info because he’s 50/50 to be a wolf, and he gets uber defensive and insta-votes me. He’s turbo voting me despite NAF and Episkey still being alive, with NAF very likely to be a wolf. Why is he doing this? I have my theories. Just take a look at me and his exchange just now. > [@special\_ed](#): > > But see, Idle is experienced. He very well could have fingered all of his wolf buddies or all but 1. Ot all Town, or all Town and 1 Scum. > > For all I know, he could have put all the names in a randomizer and decuided to accuse them. > > He’s that smart. Knowing we’d waste valuable time trying to figure out what he wanted us to think and what he didn’t want us to think. > > it’s all wine. And it’s nasty white zinfandel at that. I’m not drinking it. We know for a fact this is not the case. With episkey, septimus and pwnsall, these are all guys who have been putting pressure on idle in one way or another for some time. He _choose_ these targets. Every single thing any wolf says can give us information whether or not it’s readily apparent to us. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4425 "2011-09-02T18:33:10Z")
Naf and normal are wolves. We can lynch naf and if he flips villa then fine go me, but if he’s a wolf we’re lynching normal god damnit. You might not agree with the way I come to my conclusions, but I AM CORRECT. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4426 "2011-09-02T18:34:04Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > No, you’re right, but I think I also had the nights wrong. Which night did he target you? If you have the post number that’d be best. > > Night One: targets you, (unknowingly) gains power doubling > Night Two: uses your power on himself. Gains nothing new for the next night, but due to use of your power now has two targets for Night Three > Night Three: targets me and Lilflower … > > No, wait, I think I see the problem even if I don’t understand it. How did lilflower and I get doubled if his previous target was himself, not you. > > Who did he target and when? On Night 1, NAF had peeker’s power which reflected his target’s actions back on to himself. Would that account for NAF targeting Ed and then getting Ed’s power back on himself (and not buff)? That was confusing to write so hopefully it makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4427 "2011-09-02T18:35:04Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Well, the concepts the same we just refer to it as “leveling” since you never know which level they are on +1. its a matter of taking in the information and processing best you can. for instance, i wouldnt even bother to read “spew” from idle after he was outted…but before that point, there could be something. idle went after both brew and sanga right away when given the chance. that certainly tells you something about how he plays. If i was a wolf in thread when that slip gets brought up, I either ignore it or disappear. The bottom line of my long-winded post is this: Anyone idle calls town or scum I will take with a grain of salt. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4428 "2011-09-02T18:35:48Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Naf and normal are wolves. We can lynch naf and if he flips villa then fine go me, but if he’s a wolf we’re lynching normal god damnit. You might not agree with the way I come to my conclusions, but I AM CORRECT. I can get behind this after rereading that exchange. Theory: Wolves cant kill me until NAF is dead right? Maybe my initial theory is incorrect. Is it correct to kill neither NAF or Me, ensuring I’m alive and getting me another peek? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4429 "2011-09-02T18:37:45Z")
NETA: I mean, NAF is in anti spew mode ffs. Just shut down. But wolves are in a shitty spot if we keep both of us alive and I’m getting peeks right? My only useful peek result thus far is pwns=wolf so pwns is rly a villa, but we already knew that. Maybe we can get more info? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4430 "2011-09-02T18:39:33Z")
This games giving me a headache ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4431 "2011-09-02T18:40:21Z")
I just had an idea. Since no apparent effect is what the new me gets too how about I ponder that I LF2 could be the Mason that Lightfoot1 needed to find? any flaws there? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4432 "2011-09-02T18:42:59Z")
Teach me not to preview let me get the rest of the cut/paste ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4433 "2011-09-02T18:43:15Z")
Ok breaking it down: For as long as NAF AND I are alive, the wolves can’t kill me. I’m somewhat providing distraction for them, I’m keeping NAF alive since it’s either him or I, and I’m causing confusion with my role. When they kill me we can 100% confirm my peeks are accurate, confirm NAF is scum, and then begin breaking down the Idle WiFoM stuff. So if we just hunt the rest of the wolves since NAF is in non-spew mode, I keep getting peeks and when I eventually die we have more information to go off of. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4434 "2011-09-02T18:44:28Z")
NETA: by “accurate” I mean flipped ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4435 "2011-09-02T18:45:02Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > On Night 1, NAF had peeker’s power which reflected his target’s actions back on to himself. Would that account for NAF targeting Ed and then getting Ed’s power back on himself (and not buff)? > > That was confusing to write so hopefully it makes sense. I don’t think that’s right either. I’m not sure how to NAF ended up with two targets on Night 2. He would have had to be Ed’s target, not have targeted Ed, right? Was NAF the one who got his Night 0 action though? If so, he could have been a lightning rod on Night 1 and targeted whoever Ed targeted which was Scuba Ben. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4436 "2011-09-02T18:45:43Z")
Episkey you could be a paranoid seer and be absolutely useless to us. At best, you give bad peeks. We can’t let NAF live just so you can get peeks which will probably be unhelpful or damaging to the village. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4437 "2011-09-02T18:45:47Z")
[quote=“Normal\_Phase, post:4364, topic:593025”] > [@special\_ed](#): > > Right, I saw a comment from you about that somewhere and forgot about it. I didn’t echo his comments; I wanted to know what he was referring to. I wanted to look myself but couldn’t manage it and asked him to point out posts himself. I gather from your post I didn’t just forget about it/miss it; that he never did. > > (However, you’re wrong about the theft thing unless Drain Bead is lying somehow, because she claims to have been doubled by you for last night, and so were lilflower and I (by NAF).) By theft, I was thinking that NAF’s power works thusly: 1. He targets Player A on Night 1. 2. On Night 2. He uses Player A’s power on his target, Player B. 3. On Night 3, He is able to use Player B’s power on another target. 4. During Night 2, Player A is unable to use his power because NAF is using it. Now, granted, I was led to this conclusion because bufftabby did not get hit by my power on the Night that NAF used it on himself. In order for you and Lilflower to have been doubled by NAF\< it would have had to work this way: Night 1: NAF mimics my power. (I successfully target Scuba Ben) Night 2: NAF targets himself and earns 2 uses of his power on Night 3. (My targeting of bufftabby fails for unknown reasons.) Night 3: NAF targets Normal Phase and lilflower, using my power again. (I target Drain Bead successfully.) Night 4: Normal Phase and lilflower have 2 targets. NAF targets lightfoot who dies. (I am blocked.) Is this accurate? Why did he not mimic his own power when he targeted NP and lilflower? The only plausible explanation I can find is that he mimicked himself while he was still mimicking me? And my target of bufftabby either fails or was wrongly reported. I don’t think the timing was correct for Bufftabby to be responsible for making 2 reports of wolf to ATPG under the influence of my power and then lie about it. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4438 "2011-09-02T18:45:48Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > On Night 1, NAF had peeker’s power which reflected his target’s actions back on to himself. Would that account for NAF targeting Ed and then getting Ed’s power back on himself (and not buff)? > > That was confusing to write so hopefully it makes sense. Maybe. I thougth I had it all figured out yesterday but now I’m baffled. I need teh whole list of actions. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4439 "2011-09-02T18:46:30Z")
Sorry everyone - epically busy at work at the moment. 2 questions - when is EOD? And given that I make people “feel healthy” what’s the case for curing Drain Bead? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4440 "2011-09-02T18:46:48Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I just had an idea. > Since no apparent effect is what the new me gets too > how about I ponder that I LF2 could be the Mason that Lightfoot1 needed to find? > > any flaws there? My targets have shown no ill effects, And we know there is another mason out there. It’s possible? (added) I ramble at myself in word and then I cut the parts that make sense. Referring to my dead self as an alive self is interesting. Catching up with a different perspective. I will respond to the events after LightFoot’s death when I am done doing payroll. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4441 "2011-09-02T18:47:49Z")
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