# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 223
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4442 "2011-09-02T18:48:28Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Episkey you could be a paranoid seer and be absolutely useless to us. At best, you give bad peeks. We can’t let NAF live just so you can get peeks which will probably be unhelpful or damaging to the village. If I’m paranoid I’ma flip a shit on Gad postgame lol. at least insane I can figure out whats going on and work things out lol. I just hate that once we kill NAF I get NK’d and leave behind absolutely no good information from a seer role. I’m useless ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4443 "2011-09-02T18:49:32Z")
@lightfoot, that would be absolutely hilarious if you were both masons. I don’t see why it isn’t one of multiple possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4444 "2011-09-02T18:50:22Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > If I’m paranoid I’ma flip a shit on Gad postgame lol. at least insane I can figure out whats going on and work things out lol. > > I just hate that once we kill NAF I get NK’d and leave behind absolutely no good information from a seer role. I’m useless ☹ Don’t worry we can get nightkilled together. I just turned out NAF and normal, wolves are bound to be pissed off at me. Also normal, please keep arguing with me, please tell me why I’m a better lynch than NAF or even episkey, and please please please give me a reads list or yours. Do someone pro-villa before you die, kthkx ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4445 "2011-09-02T18:50:28Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I don’t think that’s right either. I’m not sure how to NAF ended up with two targets on Night 2. He would have had to be Ed’s target, not have targeted Ed, right? Was NAF the one who got his Night 0 action though? If so, he could have been a lightning rod on Night 1 and targeted whoever Ed targeted which was Scuba Ben. He had 1 target on night 2. Himself. he effectively doubled his himself on night 2 by using my pwoer on himself. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4446 "2011-09-02T18:52:16Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > You might not agree with the way I come to my conclusions, but I AM CORRECT. Well, that’s convincing :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4447 "2011-09-02T18:53:11Z")
This \*\* NAF \*\* think is something that keeps nagging me - Targets \*\* ED \*\* ‘mimics’ Ed’s doubling power. - Targets self gets two Targets X and Y The mimic’d power lasts for just one Night correct? So why would the Targets X & Y gain a double? The mimic SHOULD have gained the powers of X & Y for the following Night nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4448 "2011-09-02T18:55:03Z")
The conversation between Episkey and CQ seems quite odd. They speak as if they’ve figured everything out and how unfortunate because it means they’ll be killed. I’ve seen this somewhere before. No, I’ve done this somewhere before. I am unwilling to subscribe to their newsletters. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4449 "2011-09-02T18:56:17Z")
[quote=LightFoot;14212914 The mimic’d power lasts for just one Night correct? So why would the Targets X & Y gain a double? [/quote] Unless he copied himself while he was copying me… a dream within a dream… ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4450 "2011-09-02T18:57:19Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > The mimic SHOULD have gained the powers of X & Y for the following Night nothing more. and used them both on your previous incarnation. Now dead. …within a dream ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4451 "2011-09-02T18:59:13Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > The conversation between Episkey and CQ seems quite odd. They speak as if they’ve figured everything out and how unfortunate because it means they’ll be killed. > > I’ve seen this somewhere before. No, I’ve done this somewhere before. > > I am unwilling to subscribe to their newsletters. I mean what more do you want me to do? I’m dead the minute NAF flips scum (or from an outside perspective, the minute he flips town). It’s looking like today is the NAF/Episkey thunderdome. Therefore regardless I’m dead tonight. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4452 "2011-09-02T19:00:51Z")
Ok. Here is something I can do that is pro town. I am going to be lynched. That’s fine, I really can’t keep up at this point and didn’t expect to live this long to start with. But, and this is important. I am town. So here is what I am going to do in an attempt to make my lynch meaningful. I am going to demand that every single player who votes for me 1) presents their own case for lynching me and 2) states clearly how me flipping town changes the game for them. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4453 "2011-09-02T19:06:24Z")
Oh and u don’t plan to just lie down and accept the lynch based on poor reasoning. People voting for me dye to tortured logic should expect a fight. Right now episky is the only person who seems to have both a clear and valid (if incorrect) reason to vote for me. Normal phase has already misrepresented my voting record re BlaM and cq is following a ridiculous line if reasoning. Ed is on me because I didn’t like him but didn’t build a case (something I call being a good transperant townie but hr calls a smudge. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4454 "2011-09-02T19:09:50Z")
When was our last official vote count? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4455 "2011-09-02T19:11:12Z")
Oh, by the by, NAF is town. You guys are wasting time making cases on him. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4456 "2011-09-02T19:14:09Z")
Also, I concur with Normal’s case being crap–it boils down to “I don’t like the Silver Jan vote”. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4457 "2011-09-02T19:14:54Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Oh, by the by, NAF is town. You guys are wasting time making cases on him. you know this because… ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4458 "2011-09-02T19:15:34Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Oh, by the by, NAF is town. You guys are wasting time making cases on him. This can’t be the case. It can’t. One of me or him have to be scum and I know my role. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4459 "2011-09-02T19:16:50Z")
[quote=“special\_ed, post:4437, topic:593025”] > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > By theft, I was thinking that NAF’s power works thusly: > > 1. He targets Player A on Night 1. > 2. On Night 2. He uses Player A’s power on his target, Player B. > 3. On Night 3, He is able to use Player B’s power on another target. > 4. During Night 2, Player A is unable to use his power because NAF is using it. Except for 4 I think that’s what he’s claiming. And I’ve been assuming 4 was not the case due to last night’s three double power uses. > [@](#): > > Now, granted, I was led to this conclusion because bufftabby did not get hit by my power on the Night that NAF used it on himself. Right. > [@](#): > > In order for you and Lilflower to have been doubled by NAF\< it would have had to work this way: > Night 1: NAF mimics my power. (I successfully target Scuba Ben) > Night 2: NAF targets himself and earns 2 uses of his power on Night 3. (My targeting of bufftabby fails for unknown reasons.) > Night 3: NAF targets Normal Phase and lilflower, using my power again. (I target Drain Bead successfully.) > Night 4: Normal Phase and lilflower have 2 targets. NAF targets lightfoot who dies. (I am blocked.) > > Is this accurate? I think lilflower is right about peeker being NAF’s Night Zero target claim; that’ rings a bell. So: Night 0: NAF mimics peeker. He now has peeker’s power (anyone who targets his target reflects to him) for Night 1. Night 1: NAF aims at Special Ed with peeker’s power. Anything that hits Special Ed (including presumably NAF’s own basic power) hits NAF instead. Here’s where my brain breaks. Does this mean NAF shouldn’t get your power at all? Clearly not, since he’s had it. Should it work normally, only anyone _other than_ NAF who targets you that night winds up hitting NAF? Maybe. Assume for the sake of argument that’s the case. NAF now has the power doubler role. Night 2: NAF aims at himiself with Special Ed’s doubler power. Result: he has two actions the next night. That much is straightforward. What’s not straightforward is what “mimic” power he would have for the next night. My guess would be he should have none, but … Night 3: NAF aims at lilflower and Normal Phase, and is still using Ed’s power (why?), since both of us did in fact get doubled. He carries both of our powers as well as his own for the next night. Night 4: NAF aims at Lightfoot (and only Lightfoot, he says), with mine and lilflower’s powers. She dies. He would presumably get LF’s mason power for tonight, god knows how that’s supposed to work. > [@](#): > > Night 3: > Why did he not mimic his own power when he targeted NP and lilflower? > > The only plausible explanation I can find is that he mimicked himself while he was still mimicking me? And my target of bufftabby either fails or was wrongly reported. > > I don’t think the timing was correct for Bufftabby to be responsible for making 2 reports of wolf to ATPG under the influence of my power and then lie about it. There’s several potential explanations: – Gadarene “held over” the previous mimicry when NAF targeted himself, instead of defaulting to the night zero state. – Gadarene screwed up. – NAF lied, either because he’s scum, knew his real role, and Idle wanted to alter it for better palatability; or because he’s scum, didn’t quite know his real role, and guessed wrong about how it works. The first would be just plain stupid; the second could be correct. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4460 "2011-09-02T19:18:11Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Also, I concur with Normal’s case being crap–it boils down to “I don’t like the Silver Jan vote”. No, it boils down to you’ve been voting like you do when you’re scum. Now why is NAF town? ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4461 "2011-09-02T19:21:15Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > The conversation between Episkey and CQ seems quite odd. They speak as if they’ve figured everything out and how unfortunate because it means they’ll be killed. > > I’ve seen this somewhere before. No, I’ve done this somewhere before. > > I am unwilling to subscribe to their newsletters. Wat? Episkey isn’t agreeing with me about shit. If he was this would be much easier. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=222) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=224)