# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 229
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4562 "2011-09-03T04:46:54Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I won’t out this yet because I’m almost positive my target was a wolf. If you’re got results on me for n3 then you know who I’m talking about and if I don’t out who I targeted before I get mislynched, keep this in mind when I flip. > > So you think by continuing to push my read despite them having “been pointed out to be flawed” I’m a villager, except I’m not actually from this board so I’m a wolf? Seriously? I know you’re a wolf but even you can do better than this. > > JD obviously I know how seer claims work. You must not be paying much attention because I responded to special ed about this already and agreed with him that my initial response was probably not thought through very well. > > First of all > > A) You’re assuming zeriel is actually a seer > > B) You’re assuming zeriel is a true seer. All of zeriel’s claimed results have been player x = villager. She could very well be a naive seer. > > C) Zeriel outs this information amidst me pushing two very likely wolves as hard as a can. This is similar to what Idle has done wrt to NAF, to jump in and claim naf = villager after naf was already peek messaged as a wolf. You can’t just take zeriel’s claim at face value. > > And wrt to your first quote, I’ve also already addressed that. Me and episkey aren’t actually agreeing on anything. The original poster AGREES WITH THIS and says I misunderstood, and that he simply thinks we’re both in agreement in thinking that we’re going to be killed off soon. Which apparently I’m at least right about that. Are you deliberately taking multiple quotes out of context or are you just not reading more than one post that catches your eye? I pegged you wolf in the inception and I can probably do it again so feel free to keep on talking to me. > > Don’t just sponge others, I’d love an actual reason from you. Yes, I was posting from a bar, so it was difficult. Basically, as I’ve commented on before: Your conversation with Episkey seems over the top for a Townie regarding your resignation to being killed. Your over confidence that you have found several Scum and are exceptionally certain. (I’ll admit that this might just be because you’re rubbing me the wrong way with your arrogance and what I find to be insulting nature.) Your seemingly strong refusal to consider lynching someone other than NAF at this point. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4563 "2011-09-03T04:51:23Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Actually fuck it I don’t care. N3 I targeted lilflower because I think she’s a wolf. My action yielded no apparent result. > > Once you guys kill me off here’s my wolf list > > **NAF > Normal Phase > Lilflower** > > Lock it up. Maybe you’ll actually read my fucking posts if I use pretty colors for you. Thanks for easily handing us an overwhelming advantage. This will be great after you’re dead. Then we’ll be able to trust your amazing intellect. Putting your brilliant powers of deduction in color will help us. With our limited intellect, it should make it easier to find. And it is pretty too. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4564 "2011-09-03T06:03:37Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Thanks for easily handing us an overwhelming advantage. This will be great after you’re dead. Then we’ll be able to trust your amazing intellect. Putting your brilliant powers of deduction in color will help us. With our limited intellect, it should make it easier to find. And it is pretty too. I mean you guys want to lynch me for contribute when at best there’s stuff you just don’t agree with. Obviously wolves are trying to derail the NAF wagon onto someone else and I’m a convenient target for that, but if there’s villagers in this group also willing to wagon me then they’re pretty dense. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4565 "2011-09-03T06:11:11Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Yes, I was posting from a bar, so it was difficult. > > Basically, as I’ve commented on before: > Your conversation with Episkey seems over the top for a Townie regarding your resignation to being killed. > Your over confidence that you have found several Scum and are exceptionally certain. (I’ll admit that this might just be because you’re rubbing me the wrong way with your arrogance and what I find to be insulting nature.) > Your seemingly strong refusal to consider lynching someone other than NAF at this point. I want to lynch my strongest wolf read. Yes, I am strongly refusing to consider lynching anyone else right now because I’m almost certain that NAF is a wolf. Why would I risk letting wolves derail this? Obviously wolves are going to try to make me look in another direction and I’m not going to do that. Making me a wagon because I want to strongly lynch a someone who I feel is almost certainly a wolf is stupid. If I’m right about NAF and normal, I absolutely will a) be clear to some degree and b) be a preemo night kill target. This is simple. Again, me thinking I’ll be a night kill target is not wolfy to any degree. How the hell is this even a bullet point of yours? There wasn’t a giant discussion on this, I mentioned that I’d probably be killed off if I’m right about shipping two wolves, episkey felt the same way if NAF flips wolf (because it sort of clear episkey), and we agree on that. Now people are coming in and trying to make this a case on us possibly being wolves. It’s called wolves trying to divert the wolf wagon (naf) onto other targets. I’ve been no more stubborn in the way that I play than in the way several of the guys here do. I grew disinterested and found it easy to get uninvolved after constantly having to argue with dopers and pizzaguy about elemental ww 101 bullshit which shouldn’t even merit discussion imo. I can understand you not liking my methods or theories as I feel the same way about a couple of players in this game (namely pizza and peeker but they’re both dead now), but that’s absolutely not a reason to lynch me. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4566 "2011-09-03T06:13:02Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > The idea it’s amazingly imperative to kill NAF before I am likely killed tonight (revealing my role and sanity) is what’s scummy. I didn’t propose that idea, and no one has brought this to my attention as far as I’m aware. I was in full “We have to kill NAF” mode when you claimed to have peeked him. Admittedly I’m tunnelvisioning him a bit but I never once stated anything like your suggesting in the above. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4567 "2011-09-03T06:41:27Z")
if either naf or episkey are wolves but not both i believe episkey is the villager i thought cracked was wolfier earlier but i haven’t found the last couple pages particularly wolfy, but other people have apparently i’d prefer lynching outside the claims of **zeriel/naf/episkey** still, I would hope it has a way of resolving itself, probably read normal at this point i would guess **bufftabby** is villager just from the mechanics of my result on her and ignoring anything else **bufftabby** if you want to know more about what you do i can possibly help you ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4568 "2011-09-03T06:54:36Z")
cracked/normal wagons would probably be pretty good actually i assume night isn’t until like monday ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4569 "2011-09-03T08:30:10Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Scum > pwnsall/TimeLady - no case yet. Just copying my notes down. Will try to build a case or move off this list. > > Vote pwnsall case to come later. Mostly process of elimination. On my list I had **pwnsall** as “Most Likely to be Town”, although I don’t fully remember why. At this point I almost support Lynching pwnsall, and promise to use [random.org](http://random.org) for my further voting if he flips Wolf. :smack: > [@Zeriel](#): > > I didn’t know I was a seer then. 😛 :smack: In the same post I did admit to “extreme confusion”. 😃 (But my point may still have some validity: Why do a fake peek if you don’t know you’re not a seer?) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4570 "2011-09-03T08:38:28Z")
I will again advocate mass target reveal. Please be aware that, if this is a good idea, it is increasingly urgent. Mass role reveal can be delayed since the dead reveal their roles. In this game, knowledge of the targets of the dead is lost forever. To re-answer Suburban Plankton’s re-question it is essential to try to enforce a mass reveal so Scum can be caught in lies. I’m afraid the ongoing revealing by Townies is pro-Scum. P.S.: I’ve been slightly pinged by **Normal Phase** but don’t know why. Can someone synopsize the case against her? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4571 "2011-09-03T10:41:37Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > So if NAF mimics me N1 > > On N2 NAF **is** me for all effects > > On N2 NAF targets himself and gets my power (his current power) again for N3 I guess I’d look at it differently if I were modding it. Clearly it didn’t happen this way, but if he copies his target’s power every night, he should have USED the power he copied the Night before on himself, but COPIED his own power for use the next night, because his target was himself, so the role he took on from that point should have been his own. So he could be a mimic twice the next Night, not a doubler two Nights in a row. The rule against having the same target two Nights in a row was likely put in place due to this role; it seems cheap to be able to get around it this way. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4572 "2011-09-03T11:01:58Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > I dont know how to make cool little tables like Ben, so itll be sloppy. > N0: I targeted Dancecat. My assumption being that the only role to work on n0 would be an investigation. No result. > > N1: I targeted Silver Jan, who was a wolf suspect of mine d1. I had voted her that day. She responded next day to receive a “gnaly=wolf” msg. > > N2: Since Silver Jan wasn’t dead, I didn’t get an investigation, or anything else easily verified, I targeted Pizza - someone vocal in the thread whose role I was unsure on. He said next day to have received 2 msgs: Episkey is scum, NAF is scum. > > N3: This was after I had figured out what was going on, and I wanted to make sure to send my messages to cleared villagers so data wouldn’t be tampered with. I chose confirmed mason Gnarly, but he died. I received a msg stating Pwnsall was a wolf. I do not know if I got it because gnarly died, if I was redirected, if I was reflected, or what. Best guess is because Gnarly died. > > N4: I targeted lock clear pwnsall. He didn’t receive a message, I did get one stating I was a wolf. Do we know who targeted you N3? It could be that your message to Charlie didn’t bounce–you got a message independent of the rest. Either a true one or one designed to confuse. It doesn’t make sense that your message would bounce. That having been said, it seems like Ben’s results contradict yours as well regarding pwnsall, so it’s probably the case that it was yours. Just a thought, though. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Only up through page 89, but I’ll reply to this. > > I’m doing my table with CODE tags, writing it up in a text editor, and lots of preview. This time my table has the CORRECT Night 1 message. > > ```auto > > Night Target Message they received > ----- -------------- ---------------------------------- > 1 Scuba Ben Silver Jan is a Villager > 2 Giraffe pwnsall is a Villager > 2 AskThePizzaGuy Episkey is a Wolf; NAF1138 is a Wolf > (cannot tell which was mine, > but see D4 #3721 claim by known Scum investigating NAF as Town) > 3 Scuba Ben Weedy (now Dead) is a Villager > 4 Drain Bead special ed is a Villager > > ``` Based on this, I’m going to suggest that NAF was Episkey’s message, and Episkey was yours. With Zeriel’s confirmation that NAF is Town (and we will find that to be true or false soon enough), and Episkey’s prior track record of having wrong results (see gnarlycharlie) and Ben’s of having correct results (see Weedy) we can only deduce that the NAF = Scum was the incorrect result provided by Episkey. My instincts say that Episkey’s role is more pro-Scum than pro-Town. But either way, this HAS to get resolved Today. Otherwise, this discussion will dominate the game until he’s lynched. And if he’s telling the truth and is an insane Cop, we have confirmed NAF and pwnsall, and we can finally move on. And if he’s a paranoid Cop, first we burn down Gadarene’s house and put sugar in his gas tank, then we know we can’t trust Ben’s results until he gets a Scum result, which is also important to know at this point in the game. Personally, though, I think that Ben HAS found a Scum result, and it’s Episkey. It’s the only way this data makes sense when put together. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4573 "2011-09-03T11:07:08Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I didn’t propose that idea, and no one has brought this to my attention as far as I’m aware. > > I was in full “We have to kill NAF” mode when you claimed to have peeked him. Admittedly I’m tunnelvisioning him a bit but I never once stated anything like your suggesting in the above. Yes you did. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4574 "2011-09-03T11:07:19Z")
And on that note, I am going to be tailgating at the OSU game for the rest of small-t today. Will try to get a signal to read this on my phone, but unsure if that’s realistic. ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4575 "2011-09-03T13:22:49Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > The idea it’s amazingly imperative to kill NAF before I am likely killed tonight (revealing my role and sanity) is what’s scummy. i agree with this. cracked, question: do you want to lynch the claimed seers villager before finding out zeriels role? you are making it sound like the game is over if we dont lynch naf tonite. it wont be. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > And on that note, I am going to be tailgating at the OSU game for the rest of small-t today. Will try to get a signal to read this on my phone, but unsure if that’s realistic. O H ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4576 "2011-09-03T15:36:41Z")
I - O! ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4577 "2011-09-03T15:38:46Z")
Alright, pretty sure I’m caught up now. First off, I’m inclined to take Zeriel’s claim at face value for the moment, so I’m leaning town on NAF. Other two wagon’s at the moment seem to be Episkey and crackedquads. There was a lot of discussion about one of Episkey and NAF having to be wolf - can anyone summarise for me why that is? If it’s true then I’ll vote Episkey since I’m tending to accept NAF as town for the moment. Crackedquads, I don’t really have a feel for. Will reread his posts now. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4578 "2011-09-03T15:42:23Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > There was a lot of discussion about one of Episkey and NAF having to be wolf - can anyone summarise for me why that is? If it’s true then I’ll vote Episkey since I’m tending to accept NAF as town for the moment. I think it boils down to AskThePizzaGuy getting 2 messages from Night 2 (I could be mistaken). One said NAF was Wolf, the other said Episkey was wolf. Some players have maintained that one of them had to be untrue. Episkey thinks he is an insane detective whisperer, and that he himself was the result of his investigation. Others are skeptical because some of his results have been whispered and some haven’t. Additionally, there seems to be no reason to who the actual target of his investigation is. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4579 "2011-09-03T15:44:21Z")
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**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4580 "2011-09-03T16:06:11Z")
Hmm, on re-read, I don’t particularly like the crackedquads case. I’m not sure a wolf crackedquads would be so vocal and pushy against a villager NAF (if he’s a villager, which I’m assuming for the moment), it just looks bad since most other people seem to be willing to let him live. So for the moment I’ll **vote Episkey** ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4581 "2011-09-03T16:17:28Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > I mean I’ve explained this 94 times. > > 1. I’ve targeted Silver Jan,Pizza, Gnarly, Pwnsall > 2. Silver Jan and Pizza received false messages (flipped) > 3. Gnarly died and I received a false message in response (pwnsall) > 4. I targeted pwnsall and got a msg that my role was wolf (false) > I am an insane detective. I get backwards results. It’s that simple, yet the wolves dont even have to kill me because you guys are just gonna lynch me for having a confusing role anyways. Your role claim doesn’t make much sense. They aren’t in any way consistent. SilverJan and Pizza targets seem to suggest you’re a false whisperer. The other 2 seem to imply that someone’s whispering to you or that you’re in the mystic circle but mysteriously didn’t get results the first two nights. Honestly its kind of making me reconsider my vote on you because surely a wolf would come up with a better claim? When is EOD? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=228) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=230)