# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 230
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4582 "2011-09-03T16:24:07Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I didn’t propose that idea, and no one has brought this to my attention as far as I’m aware. > > I was in full “We have to kill NAF” mode when you claimed to have peeked him. Admittedly I’m tunnelvisioning him a bit but I never once stated anything like your suggesting in the above. As soon as I claimed seer and a town result from NAF, the “Lynch NAF” position BECOMES what I said. I have no illusions about whether I’m going to survive the night, given we have no idea if there’s even a doc around. So anything I said will probably be confirmed tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4583 "2011-09-03T16:24:09Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Your role claim doesn’t make much sense. They aren’t in any way consistent. SilverJan and Pizza targets seem to suggest you’re a false whisperer. The other 2 seem to imply that someone’s whispering to you or that you’re in the mystic circle but mysteriously didn’t get results the first two nights. > > Honestly its kind of making me reconsider my vote on you because surely a wolf would come up with a better claim? > > When is EOD? ??? ??? ??? It makes perfect sense when it’s already been established that I was redirected onto myself last night. I mean come on. Look, I get it. I have to be lynched to clear these nonsense up. What you can take from it then is NAF=Town, Pwnsall=town. I have no clue how we both came up wolf on day two. Especially considering it doesn’t appear that there have been multiple false messages each day. My only guess is a framer, and I welcome my death so I can ask Gad exactly wtf is going on. Today had to be naf vs me in a thunderdome. NAF is confirmed town by a detective. I accept my mislynch so that we can 1.) Clear up my results 2.) End the discussion surrounding it thats preventing us from hunting wolves 3.) get all the relevant data points for these messages. I can’t explain anything that you guys can’t. We’re all in the dark here. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4584 "2011-09-03T16:27:14Z")
I also have no clue what to do as the next step once I die. This games made me headdesk more times than any other games combined. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4585 "2011-09-03T16:43:43Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > It makes perfect sense when it’s already been established that I was redirected onto myself last night. I mean come on. > > . That doesn’t explain the second last night. I don’t think it follows that because gnarlycharlie died your peek reflected back to you. I find it more likely that the pwnsall result came from someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4586 "2011-09-03T16:48:37Z")
> [@J.D](#): > > O H > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I - O! SUCKS! Sorry, PSU fan. What’s a buckeye anyway? (it’s a little nut!) ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4587 "2011-09-03T16:57:28Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Yes you did. Quote the posts then. > [@J.D](#): > > i agree with this. > > cracked, question: do you want to lynch the claimed seers villager before finding out zeriels role? > > you are making it sound like the game is over if we dont lynch naf tonite. it wont be. Maybe my tone has suggested that but I’ve said nothing to that affect (re:game over if we don’t lynch naf). I think we can wait until zeriel is resolved before taking care of naf but I really don’t like the timing on zeriel’s reveal and there’s also too many mechanics at play for us to really know what zeriel is. Zeriel should probably pick his biggest wolf lean and target them tonight. If they also come back as a villager then we really need to consider him as a naive seer. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4588 "2011-09-03T17:01:40Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > As soon as I claimed seer and a town result from NAF, the “Lynch NAF” position BECOMES what I said. I have no illusions about whether I’m going to survive the night, given we have no idea if there’s even a doc around. So anything I said will probably be confirmed tomorrow. If you’re naive and wrong about naf, there’s the possibility that you’re kept alive. There’s no better nightkill target out there than the seers so they really can’t let you live. We can wait until the next day and if you flip villager then we can either lockclear naf (if you’re a true seer) or do some more digging if you’re a naive seer. If you aren’t nightkilled we’re going to be in a tough spot because you may be naive (thus your NAF peek was wrong so the wolves don’t want to resolve you) or even a wolf, though I think the latter is unlikely. But of course with all the mechanics in play you could be kept alive by roleblockers or doctors… ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4589 "2011-09-03T17:05:08Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > ??? > ??? > ??? > > It makes perfect sense when it’s already been established that I was redirected onto myself last night. I mean come on. > Look, I get it. I have to be lynched to clear these nonsense up. What you can take from it then is NAF=Town, Pwnsall=town. I have no clue how we both came up wolf on day two. Especially considering it doesn’t appear that there have been multiple false messages each day. My only guess is a framer, and I welcome my death so I can ask Gad exactly wtf is going on. > > Today had to be naf vs me in a thunderdome. NAF is confirmed town by a detective. I accept my mislynch so that we can 1.) Clear up my results 2.) End the discussion surrounding it thats preventing us from hunting wolves 3.) get all the relevant data points for these messages. > I can’t explain anything that you guys can’t. We’re all in the dark here. Haven’t caught up with whatever you’re mentioning here, why is pwnsall = town after you die? I think you’re assuming the two of you were messaged about to one person? So ed probably targeted the messenger who sent episkey/pwnsall results to someone? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4590 "2011-09-03T17:05:41Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Quote the posts then. You are seriously saying that I need to be lynched toDay and then turning around and saying that I need to find where you said it for you to believe you said it? ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4591 "2011-09-03T17:08:52Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I think it boils down to AskThePizzaGuy getting 2 messages from Night 2 (I could be mistaken). One said NAF was Wolf, the other said Episkey was wolf. > > Some players have maintained that one of them had to be untrue. > > Episkey thinks he is an insane detective whisperer, and that he himself was the result of his investigation. > > Others are skeptical because some of his results have been whispered and some haven’t. Additionally, there seems to be no reason to who the actual target of his investigation is. This helps. So the idea is that two different people both messaged pizza guy about two different players both being wolves, or that special ed targeted the messenger who got to send two X = wolf messages? Who did special ed target the night before? Also “Insane detective whisperer” is unlikely to be a role. Insane detective, yes. Whisperer, yes. I don’t think it’s very likely he has both of those powers unless there’s something I’m missing. The other two messengers to die (one wolf, one villa iirc) sent messages about themselves (one true, one false). I don’t think any roles have came up where the messenger sent results based on the senders own peeking mechanic. That sounds like a bit much imo. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4592 "2011-09-03T17:12:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Zeriel > The idea it’s amazingly imperative to kill NAF before I am likely killed tonight (revealing my role and sanity) is what’s scummy. > [@crackedquads](#): > > I didn’t propose that idea, and no one has brought this to my attention as far as I’m aware. > > I was in full “We have to kill NAF” mode when you claimed to have peeked him. Admittedly I’m tunnelvisioning him a bit but I never once stated anything like your suggesting in the above. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Yes you did. > [@crackedquads](#): > > Quote the posts then. > [@NAF1138](#): > > You are seriously saying that I need to be lynched toDay and then turning around and saying that I need to find where you said it for you to believe you said it? I did not once say we that it’s amazingly imperative to kill NAF before Zeriel is likely to be nightkilled. That’s what I want you to quote. I was tunnelvisioning you despite zeriels claim, but that does not equate to what you’re suggesting. Also it’s incredibly stupid for me to suggest the above, or even to continue to push NAF despite zeriels claim IF I AM A WOLF because if I do cause the naf mislynch I’m going to get turbo lynched right after him. Trading my life for one random villager is obviously not +EV if I’m a wolf. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4593 "2011-09-03T17:17:41Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I did not once say we that it’s amazingly imperative to kill NAF before Zeriel is likely to be nightkilled. That’s what I want you to quote. I was tunnelvisioning you despite zeriels claim, but that does not equate to what you’re suggesting. How exactly does it not? You suggested lynching me before there is a chance to test Zeriel’s claim because I “need to die today”. That matches up exactly with my definition of “seeming to find it amazingly imperative to kill NAF before Zeriel is likely to be nightkilled.” Not yours? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4594 "2011-09-03T17:20:24Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Also it’s incredibly stupid for me to suggest the above, or even to continue to push NAF despite zeriels claim IF I AM A WOLF because if I do cause the naf mislynch I’m going to get turbo lynched right after him. Trading my life for one random villager is obviously not +EV if I’m a wolf. Second though, new post. It’s only stupid if you hadn’t already forced your hand. I am suggesting you fucked up and can’t back out now. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4595 "2011-09-03T17:28:43Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Okay. I’m having major trouble parsing a lot of things. > > So NAF copies ed’s power. The next Night, he can give his target two targets the following Night. > > He targets himself. He can now choose two targets the following Night. > > Wouldn’t he then be reverting back to his original power? So instead of passing ed’s power along, the following Night he should be _stealing_ two powers, because he should be back to being a Mimic, having targeted himself. Does that make sense? It makes sense to me I’ve said the same thing using “mimic” instead of “steal” ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4596 "2011-09-03T17:30:20Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Thanks for easily handing us an overwhelming advantage. This will be great after you’re dead. Then we’ll be able to trust your amazing intellect. Putting your brilliant powers of deduction in color will help us. With our limited intellect, it should make it easier to find. And it is pretty too. Ed You just got Saturday Morning beverage in my nose! ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4597 "2011-09-03T17:35:33Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > I also have no clue what to do as the next step once I die. This games made me headdesk more times than any other games combined. This is confusing. You have a next step, after you die? And I agree _headdesks_ all around ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4598 "2011-09-03T17:40:07Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > This is confusing. You have a next step, after you die? > And I agree _headdesks_ all around No. I mean I have no idea what advice to give on what to make of this situation once I die. Typically when I think I’m going to get mislynched I can lay out my thoughts for the course of action everyone should take tomorrow, but I can’t even do that here because I’m clueless. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4599 "2011-09-03T17:40:24Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Second though, new post. > > It’s only stupid if you hadn’t already forced your hand. I am suggesting you fucked up and can’t back out now. Obviously I can do just that. I was tunnelling and then got angry after I started to become a wagon, slept on it and reread. I’ve already said above that we can obv wait until zeriel is resolved before resolving you. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4600 "2011-09-03T17:45:15Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > \ > > Personally, though, I think that Ben HAS found a Scum result, and it’s Episkey. It’s the only way this data makes sense when put together. If I was an outsider, I would agree with not only your premise but your conclusion as well. It’s why I know I have to be lynched today, and it’s why I have no idea what the next step for everyone ToMorrow is. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4601 "2011-09-03T17:46:26Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Obviously I can do just that. I was tunnelling and then got angry after I started to become a wagon, slept on it and reread. I’ve already said above that we can obv wait until zeriel is resolved before resolving you. Clearly the optimal plan imo. Though I think theres zero chance Zurviel comes out as a wolf with that, and he has no reason to lie as a villager, so I’m taking them both as villas. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=229) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=231)