# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 232
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4622 "2011-09-04T16:05:29Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > You don’t know Zeriel very well, do you? > > God forbid this put me in the shit wagon along with crackedquads, but I do think it’s possible that Zeriel is lying on NAF’s behalf. His results otherwise are meaningless and his timing convenient for a scum partner as well as for town. I don’t think that scum have much luxury to play safe under the circumstances, so why NOT pull out something like this? > > Perversely this makes me more suspicious of you, not less. The scum motive for this is pretty damn clear, why completely discount it? First, no I don’t know Zeriel very well. It’s my first game here remember? Second, So you believe the master plan is: 1. have Zeriel, who has been on NOBODYS wolf radar at all come out and claim detective with NAF=town when they are both wolves 2. This ensures I’m lynched due to today being NAF or Episkey is a wolf day 3. I get mislynched 4. People go “hmm wait what? I guess NAF is scum” 5. NAF dies scum 6. People go “hmm zeriel, why you lying brah?” essentially trading one more day of NAF for two wolves when they already are so low? I think the much more likely scenario is: 1. Zuriel is a detective 2. NAF is town 3. Ben’s message was tampered with 4. I’m fucked and am gonna be lynched Zuriel is like lock clear as well now because the other theory makes no sense. The result he has of naf maybe got tampered with and NAF can still be scum, but Zuriel is never scum here. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4623 "2011-09-04T16:05:38Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > That was an entirely unnecessary image. Ack. > > But yeah, heal her. Y’know I was trying to forget I read that once then you had to quote it. and I do think the “I might be the healer” should give it a shot (as long as DB does not reference that again) - said the lame duck\* ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4624 "2011-09-04T16:06:50Z")
can we get a vote count plz? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4625 "2011-09-04T16:14:38Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > That “oddly…trusting” is pinging me out the wazoo. If you want to argue that I’m displaying PIS about lilflower’s doubling, say so, don’t leave it dangling out there like a turd. No idea why that’s super scummy to you, but I’m not just talking about PIS. You three have been practically finishing each other’s sentences lately, and it smells. In post [4542](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14213967&postcount=4542), lilflower’s question of NAF’s claimed sequence of events feels like an infomercial audience member “asking” if this product truly is as wonderful as it sounds. There’s collecting claimed data and there’s building someone else’s case for them, and this feels more like the latter. > [@](#): > > A redirect from lilflower (as NAF’s target) to Drain Bead (as NAF’s target) doesn’t work, by the way. Even if such a redirect is possible in this game, it should logically have removed the doubling from me as well, and I was doubled. I’m not even going to get into the complexity it induces on other fronts, none of which are worth considering unless NAF is scum. My suspicion is that you weren’t doubled, that NAF faked targeting himself and chose two fellow Wolves to corroborate his claim. If you are Town, I don’t see why a redirect is so impossible. Peeker’s power acted on whatever happened to his target, not on its source. I don’t think it automatically follows that if you were doubled, lilflower had to be. I think you got ahead of yourself with your story and accidentally displayed some PIS. I’d really like to see you or NAF die sometime soon. I think Town could get three Wolves out of it. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4626 "2011-09-04T17:03:38Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > That “oddly…trusting” is pinging me out the wazoo. If you want to argue that I’m displaying PIS about lilflower’s doubling, say so, don’t leave it dangling out there like a turd. > > A redirect from lilflower (as NAF’s target) to Drain Bead (as NAF’s target) doesn’t work, by the way. Even if such a redirect is possible in this game, it should logically have removed the doubling from me as well, and I was doubled. I’m not even going to get into the complexity it induces on other fronts, none of which are worth considering unless NAF is scum. > > So explain again why my failing to consider this scenario is scummy. > > Finally, that quote wasn’t remotely “evidence that Drain Bead could by lying”, either. But whatever, that’s the least of it. Do you remember the timeline of reveal that you and lilflower had both been doubled on the Night that Drain Bead was doubled by me? Had you known or assumed that she was doubled when you and I discussed it? Or had she already claimed it? lilflower can answer this as well. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4627 "2011-09-04T17:05:16Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > First, no I don’t know Zeriel very well. It’s my first game here remember? > > Second, So you believe the master plan is: > > 1. have Zeriel, who has been on NOBODYS wolf radar at all come out and claim detective with NAF=town when they are both wolves > > 2. This ensures I’m lynched due to today being NAF or Episkey is a wolf day > > 3. I get mislynched > > 4. People go “hmm wait what? I guess NAF is scum” > > 5. NAF dies scum > > 6. People go “hmm zeriel, why you lying brah?” > essentially trading one more day of NAF for two wolves when they already are so low? > > I think the much more likely scenario is: > > 1. Zuriel is a detective > 2. NAF is town > 3. Ben’s message was tampered with > 4. I’m fucked and am gonna be lynched > > Zuriel is like lock clear as well now because the other theory makes no sense. The result he has of naf maybe got tampered with and NAF can still be scum, but Zuriel is never scum here. Except Zeriel perfectly set himself up for a claim of naive Cop. It’s not a bad defense. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4628 "2011-09-04T17:31:23Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Except Zeriel perfectly set himself up for a claim of naive Cop. > > It’s not a bad defense. Yeah, nothing I can do about that, unfortunately, except guess right one of these nights. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4629 "2011-09-04T19:23:52Z")
hurray hangovers! ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4630 "2011-09-04T19:24:52Z")
lol apparently i drunk posted here at like 8 pm good times ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4631 "2011-09-04T20:30:09Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > lol apparently i drunk posted here at like 8 pm > > good times so are you retracting this statement? > [@](#): > > south florida wqas unereredre ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4632 "2011-09-04T21:00:05Z")
Hey so is anyone keeping track of the vote? My offer of best friendship is still open for anyone who will post an accurate vote count. It doesn’t have to come from the mods. I just don’t want to do it myself. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4633 "2011-09-04T21:32:31Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Hey so is anyone keeping track of the vote? My offer of best friendship is still open for anyone who will post an accurate vote count. It doesn’t have to come from the mods. I just don’t want to do it myself. It would bring me joy (perhaps) to see one too, alas I have lost count. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4634 "2011-09-04T21:59:21Z")
Oh, and just in case you still weren’t sure about healing me, keep in mind that the Town poisoner is dead. So whoever did this was likely not Town. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4635 "2011-09-04T22:01:29Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > It would bring me joy (perhaps) to see one too, alas I have lost count. Since Scum are keeping their own tallies, I’m soft-clearing **NAF1138** and **LightFoot** here. 😃 I’d also be willing to read the vote count, and to be reminded of EOD timing as well. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4636 "2011-09-04T22:29:29Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Oh, and just in case you still weren’t sure about healing me, keep in mind that the Town poisoner is dead. So whoever did this was likely not Town. You could have still been his target. I’ve seen a power that delays an action by 1 Night before. A role-delayer as opposed to a roleblocker. Did we ever get a full accounting of PizzaGuy’s actions? I’m hesitant to belive in a Scum poisoner, as we have no evidence of that at all. However…if we have someone who can steal another player’s power…{sideways glance at NAF} ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4637 "2011-09-04T22:35:20Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > However…if we have someone who can steal another player’s power…{sideways glance at NAF} Hey, you have my list of players I have targeted and PizzaGuy died to long ago for that to have been my fault. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4638 "2011-09-04T22:36:41Z")
NETA: if you think I am lying and had targeted Pizzaguy instead of someone else. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4639 "2011-09-04T22:45:27Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Hey, you have my list of players I have targeted and PizzaGuy died to long ago for that to have been my fault. true, and it could have be a role delayer, a second poisoner, a second mimic, or you could be lying. You know I’ve been suspicious of you for quite some time. Zeriel’s result is preventing me from voting for you. This day has been so long, I can’t even remember who I’m voting for or if I’m voting. I remember I was voting for Normal for a while until I reinterpeted the power doubling thing. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4640 "2011-09-04T23:11:39Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > can we get a vote count plz? As soon as I get home tonight! ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4641 "2011-09-05T01:38:04Z")
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