# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 234
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4662 "2011-09-05T16:26:21Z")
I caught up as best I could. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I haven’t done the math myself yet, but is it a given that between \*\*Episkey \*\*and \*\*NAF1138 \*\*at least one of them must be a Wolf? At this point I agree it’s very likely, down from certain. The possibility of someone interfering with my messages must be acknowledged. [QUOTE=Giraffe;14213584NAF is the one who is believed to be a mimic, right? But he hasn’t claimed to have targeted pizza. If he’s a Wolf mimic, then this would make sense: the scum would want pizza’s poisoning power to kill an extra Townie the next Night.[/QUOTE] The other possibility is that NAF targeted PizzaGuy on the night PizzaGuy was modkilled. We won’t know without accurate info of NAF’s target list. > [@special\_ed](#): > > I think it boils down to AskThePizzaGuy getting 2 messages from Night 2 (I could be mistaken). One said NAF was Wolf, the other said Episkey was wolf. > > Some players have maintained that one of them had to be untrue. On the other hand, I have maintained that one of them has to be true, with no indication about the other message. > [@Zeriel](#): > > Look, as a seer in a closed game, I have to die. Let me clear folks for a while, if I live–if I hit a wolf and get a wolf result, then you know I’m good. If I don’t, then, kill me a few rounds before Lynch-or-Lose–we have an advantage in that a scum PIS slip let us know exactly how many scum are left. You claiming Seer and an investigation of NAF being Town certainly changes my position. I think it’s necessary to lynch Episkey to resolve the two messages Pizza reported. \*\* unvote NAF1138 vote Episkey\*\* I feel it’s more necessary to resolve that situation than pursue CQ. Your mileage may vary. AOP: I agree with Suburban; a concise listing of targets by night from the top lynch candidates would be very desirable. And I will be AFK for the rest of the Day. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4663 "2011-09-05T16:32:17Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > 24 hour chat I think just means day & night, not one single 24 hour window to chat. Plus it specifically says “a target to kill each night” Thank you, **Scathach**. I am inept and find it very time-consuming to search this ultra-long thread. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I agree that such a mass claim is called for at this point. I’d suggest starting with the person whose head is on the block. > > But I question your statement “I’m afraid the ongoing revealing by Townies is pro-Scum.” We don’t know that the people who have been revealing are Town. At least, \*\*\*I \*\*\*don’t know it; do _you_? It’s too late to organize a mass claim toDay, but I agree **crackedquads** should claim. I even mentioned much earlier toDay that I’d consider Unvoting if he claimed. The point about non-forced claiming is that any Scum already claiming (whether truthfully or not) without the forced mass reveal are claiming only because it seems in Scums’ interest to do so. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4664 "2011-09-05T16:37:23Z")
**cracked** ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4665 "2011-09-05T16:41:00Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Because Pizza already got on that said Episkey is Wolf, and he’s trying to pass himself off as an insane cop. Hmm, I agree that his “insane cop” claim is inconsistent. In at least that for 3 of them he’s claiming to have whispered, but the last one (his own) he received the PM himself. Which does make a kind of sense actually - because then he could be a scum false alignment whisperer and his last claim to have gotten a false role for himself would just be a poorly done fake. That would help explain his reluctance to admit that they aren’t consistent too. Alright, I certainly think it’s the best of the wagons today. \*\*vote Episkey \*\* Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4666 "2011-09-05T16:50:00Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’m not sure which question of mine you are answering. I don’t recall ever asking why we should do a mass target-claim (but then again, it’s been a long game). > > I agree that such a mass claim is called for at this point. I’d suggest starting with the person whose head is on the block. > > But I question your statement “I’m afraid the ongoing revealing by Townies is pro-Scum.” We don’t know that the people who have been revealing are Town. At least, \*\*\*I \*\*\*don’t know it; do _you_? A mass target claim will give the Scum the information they need to find any protective roles (healthy feels, glows, etc) Might not be the best idea. Thoe of us who have reveled that we feel healthy or have a glow, have given enough information for those protective roles to figure out who they are. The Scum don’t need to know. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4667 "2011-09-05T16:56:19Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I think it’s necessary to lynch Episkey to resolve the two messages Pizza reported. I really wish people who I am fairly certain are town would stop indulging in this sort of half assed argument. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4668 "2011-09-05T16:58:04Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > A mass target claim will give the Scum the information they need to find any protective roles (healthy feels, glows, etc) > > Might not be the best idea. > > Thoe of us who have reveled that we feel healthy or have a glow, have given enough information for those protective roles to figure out who they are. The Scum don’t need to know. A lot of that information is already out there. What we do have can help I hope. I was thinking the players that had ‘something’ happen to them can freely share that information since who ever targetted them knows they did (should not reveal much too the wolves?) ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4669 "2011-09-05T16:58:44Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Hmm, I agree that his “insane cop” claim is inconsistent. In at least that for 3 of them he’s claiming to have whispered, but the last one (his own) he received the PM himself. > > Which does make a kind of sense actually - because then he could be a scum false alignment whisperer and his last claim to have gotten a false role for himself would just be a poorly done fake. That would help explain his reluctance to admit that they aren’t consistent too. > Alright, I certainly think it’s the best of the wagons today. \*\*vote Episkey \*\* > > Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk So the reason you’re voting me is because I received the pm myself today, even though its already been explained itt that I targeted pwnsall and was redirected onto myself (making myself receive it) by I _think it was_ Ed? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4670 "2011-09-05T16:59:33Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I really wish people who I am fairly certain are town would stop indulging in this sort of half assed argument. You need to die soon anyway. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4671 "2011-09-05T17:00:44Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > So the reason you’re voting me is because I received the pm myself today, even though its already been explained itt that I targeted pwnsall and was redirected onto myself (making myself receive it) by I _think it was_ Ed? so, despite comments by NAF, Scuba Ben, Drain Bead, Normal, and lilflower, you think I’m a redirector of some mysterious sort? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4672 "2011-09-05T17:00:44Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I really wish people who I am fairly certain are town would stop indulging in this sort of half assed argument. Call me daft if you must But I guess I don’t quite get your point. One of me said once that it didn’t have to be an either or for certain, but general consesus is that both can’t live. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4673 "2011-09-05T17:12:06Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I really wish people who I am fairly certain are town would stop indulging in this sort of half assed argument. But like, messages bro! Seriously, some people itt have turned their brains off for the day because it’s much easier to say “well, one of them is probably true” and use the “wow, that’s crazy nothing we could have done tho” to rationalize it to themselves after the fact rather than try to figure this whole thing out. Honestly, I don’t blame them. I’d lynch me in their spot because it’s just a stupid role to have. I don’t blame them for taking the simple explanation. The thing I do get annoyed at is the “well it doesnt make sense because he got a message today!” stuff because it’s been explained multiple times that I was redirected onto myself. As I’ve said all along, if you think I’m scum for real reasons then vote me. I can explain where your thought processes are wrong in this case and show you evidence why it’s so. But I can’t defend myself against “he received a message today” votes. What can I do? Nothing really. My role sucks and despite every attempt at working it out with people itt and every protown thing ive done this game, my shitty role means more to others itt than my work. Now a case is up against cracked, but its pretty meh. Wolves sitting back and laughing at all our v/v/v violence today. Here’s what we can do though: Once you lynch me and learn my role is what I say it is, try and figure out how all this shit happened. Don’t sit back and say “wow, there was a message there was nothing we could have done, this game is stupid”. That’s false. You had every chance to work it out with me but you didn’t listen. That’s ok though. Just please, please, PLEASE spend a real life day or something actively going through scenarios on what happened and how it could done so. Maybe I’m just a miller and it’ll be simple. Maybe the wolves can frame someone and it’s more complicated. Maybe Bens message was tampered with some other way. I dont know. But work it out. For the most part everyone here has shown to me that they are intelligent and capable of serious critical thinking. So work it out. We’re in great shape after this mislynch and should be able to process of elimination this down and get a win. Good luck. **Cracked** for self-preservation, but I dont think he’s scum either. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4674 "2011-09-05T17:14:22Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > so, despite comments by NAF, Scuba Ben, Drain Bead, Normal, and lilflower, you think I’m a redirector of some mysterious sort? Well, someone targeted me and said so in thread (i believe it was you?) I received a message when I targeted pwnsall. I can add 2+2 Frankly my dear, I dont give a damn (anymore). We’re fine once I die. Just win afterwards ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4675 "2011-09-05T17:15:12Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Call me daft if you must But I guess I don’t quite get your point. > One of me said once that it didn’t have to be an either or for certain, but general consesus is that both can’t live. We can’t right now. But that doesn’t mean either has to die toDay. It is not the top priority. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4676 "2011-09-05T17:25:08Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Well, someone targeted me and said so in thread (i believe it was you?) > > I received a message when I targeted pwnsall. > I can add 2+2 > > Frankly my dear, I dont give a damn (anymore). We’re fine once I die. Just win afterwards I did not state my target last night. And I did claim to be roleblocked. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4677 "2011-09-05T17:26:13Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > We can’t right now. But that doesn’t mean either has to die toDay. It is not the top priority. And what is the top priority? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4678 "2011-09-05T17:27:49Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I did not state my target last night. And I did claim to be roleblocked. Bah it wasnt you then. Now I have to double check who it was (they had 2 night actions). Was that plankton? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4679 "2011-09-05T17:30:00Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Why would you NEED to do this again tomorrow? If you’re Town, then Episkey is most likely Scum. > > I’ll go ahead and try to clear this up. My other target was Episkey. I was curious what he’d say. It doesn’t make sense to me that he sends false messages about other people to his intended target. I would have expected, based on his claim, that he would have gotten a false message about a random person sent to him, not another false message about himself. Am I reading this wrong? > > Right now, BOTH of them seem > Scummy to me. here it is It was Drain Bead redirected my action from pwnsall to myself. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4680 "2011-09-05T17:42:42Z")
meh, i have phoned it in a bit the last couple days likely remaining wolf roles are roleblocker randomizer mystic seer false role revealer (wolf messenger) day angel? wolf mason? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4681 "2011-09-05T17:52:03Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > here it is > > It was Drain Bead > redirected my action from pwnsall to myself. Ok - I take back what I said about being inconsistent. Still seems unlikely to be pro-town though. An insane cop could be pro-town, an insane whisperer doesn’t seem so likely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=233) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=235)