# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 236
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4702 "2011-09-05T20:03:24Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > and how does a lynch of crackedquads genrate more information than a lynch of Episkey? > > Especially since we’ll find Episkey’s true role if he were to be lynched. > > What data will be gained from a lynch of crackedquads? Really? You know the answers to these questions. I know you do. What relevance is it that we learn Episkys role if we believe he is town? Even if its 50 50? Before the claim it was me not him who was going to be lynched. If you genuinely believe that he is scum its a good informationional lynch. If you are lynching just because you are buying into the idea that his death will clear anything up then it isn’t. I know you know this. Stop being dense. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4703 "2011-09-05T20:09:28Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Because it seems to be between NAF and Episkey at this point, and NAF has made a scummier impression on me than Episkey. Actually cracked is way out in front. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4704 "2011-09-05T20:13:25Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Really? You know the answers to these questions. I know you do. What relevance is it that we learn Episkys role if we believe he is town? Even if its 50 50? Before the claim it was me not him who was going to be lynched. If you genuinely believe that he is scum its a good informationional lynch. If you are lynching just because you are buying into the idea that his death will clear anything up then it isn’t. I know you know this. Stop being dense. hehehe. I’m not as dense are you’re pretending I am. Where is my vote right now? The reason the votes on you were paused was Zeriel’s claim. His claim gives us time to figure things out in your regard. And are you telling me that your vote is for a better reason than just gaining information? > [@NAF1138](#): > > Process of elimination be damned, I don’t feel comfortable with the vote for pwn until I am able to actually make a case. > > **vote crackedquads** > > Even if I think you are better than average odds on being town, the cultural differences that would even allow you to present the case that you have brought forward are enough to give me pause. Your pursuit of the case against solid reasoning is the only thing that is making me think town. The insistence that either I or Episkey needs to die toDay though I think Episkey is town and I have been claimed as town by a claimed investigator…I don’t like policy lynches, but I think you are actively hurting town and are maybe scum. I have a low level of confidence about your scumminess, but I high level of confidence about your anti town behavior and that is good enough for me right now. really, it sounds as if you’re less than 50-50 and won’t even gain any information from his lynch…and yet, still you vote for him. You’re not as dense as you’re pretending to be either. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4705 "2011-09-05T20:14:05Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Good lord. I don’t even know how to begin to catch up. Ugh. > > **vote NAF** > > Because it seems to be between NAF and Episkey at this point, and NAF has made a scummier impression on me than Episkey. Don’t bother catching up we can fill you in quickly. But first. 1. why is it me or Episky? 2. why am I scummier? Just curious. I’ll tell you about Z’s claim in a minute. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4706 "2011-09-05T20:17:58Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > the days sort of just blend together at this point > > lightfoot 2.0 are you a wolf? since you asked so nicely I will tell you the truth Ker No Why do you ask? LighterFeet ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4707 "2011-09-05T20:18:48Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > since you asked so nicely I will tell you the truth > > Ker No > Why do you ask? > LighterFeet Well, you know, if you were, then you could just give up all your buddies and win as LF1.0 :eek: ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4708 "2011-09-05T20:19:50Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > really, it sounds as if you’re less than 50-50 and won’t even gain any information from his lynch…and yet, still you vote for him. > > You’re not as dense as you’re pretending to be either. It’s different if there is an actual defenseable case. Lynching someone because they have to die sooner or later is only a good idea on the late game or if there aren’t other good targets. The lynch of episky based on the idea that one of us must be scum is such lazy thinking it is worthless. Lazy lynches like that are too easy for scum to hide in. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4709 "2011-09-05T20:22:08Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > It’s different if there is an actual defenseable case. Lynching someone because they have to die sooner or later is only a good idea on the late game or if there aren’t other good targets. The lynch of episky based on the idea that one of us must be scum is such lazy thinking it is worthless. Lazy lynches like that are too easy for scum to hide in. And a Day 5 lynch of someone you’ve said you think is likely Town for acting in n anti-Town fashion is the best you can come up with? It’s starting to seem like you want to stretch the Episkey/NAF situation out longer and longer… ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4710 "2011-09-05T20:31:55Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > It’s different if there is an actual defenseable case. Lynching someone because they have to die sooner or later is only a good idea on the late game or if there aren’t other good targets. The lynch of episky based on the idea that one of us must be scum is such lazy thinking it is worthless. Lazy lynches like that are too easy for scum to hide in. Colour me jaded but I don’t see anything productive happening the next day that this is left unresoved. both alive= the same shite another day (am I missing something here?) \*\* ED\*\* \*\* Normal\*\* You generally make sense to me am I daft again? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4711 "2011-09-05T20:36:16Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Colour me jaded but I don’t see anything productive happening the next day that this is left unresoved. both alive= the same shite another day Unless Episkey flips town. Then we can go round the merry-go-round of Zeriel/NAF - possible scumbuddies 😉 On an unrelated note, who hasn’t voted? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4712 "2011-09-05T20:37:07Z")
AFAIK, no reasonable explanation has been offered of Episkey’s role. Still, I’d not be surprised if all three top candidates are Villagers and the Wolves are laughing at us. But we don’t want to repeat this dithering toMorrow and, even if he’s a Villager, Episkey’s death reveal may cut through some of the confusion. Moreover, a few of the crackedquads voters are themselves on my suspect list. Frankly, my initial vote on crackedquads toDay was casual and, with other prime candidates to choose from, the subsequent bandwagon almost smells Scummy. \*\* Unvote: crackedquads Vote: Episkey\*\* ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4713 "2011-09-05T20:38:38Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Colour me jaded but I don’t see anything productive happening the next day that this is left unresoved. both alive= the same shite another day > > (am I missing something here?) > \*\* ED\*\* > \*\* Normal\*\* > > You generally make sense to me am I daft again? Only I’d you let it. Don’t let it derail the conversation. Ed why do you want to kill someone that most people thought was town up until very recently? I think cq is the best lynch right now because I can’t come up with a good explanation of his actions that points to him being rational and townie. Is it possible that he is irrational and townie? Yes. Very. It was my initial read. But he is also the person I have the strongest pro wolf actions on. So, considering that if he is an irrational townie he us actively hurting the town cause anyway, I am willing to take that risk. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4714 "2011-09-05T20:39:10Z")
Does anyone have a link to the most recent list of alive players? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4715 "2011-09-05T20:43:47Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > . Ed why do you want to kill someone that most people thought was town up until very recently? Who has thought crackedquads was Town until recently? And why did they think so? I don’t recall having an opinion on him. By the way, did you miss my interactions with him when he lost his cool? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4716 "2011-09-05T20:44:54Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Only I’d you let it. Don’t let it derail the conversation. Ed why do you want to kill someone that most people thought was town up until very recently? > > I think cq is the best lynch right now because I can’t come up with a good explanation of his actions that points to him being rational and townie. Is it possible that he is irrational and townie? Yes. Very. It was my initial read. But he is also the person I have the strongest pro wolf actions on. So, considering that if he is an irrational townie he us actively hurting the town cause anyway, I am willing to take that risk. Also, what is your opinion on Episkey? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4717 "2011-09-05T20:51:51Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Who has thought crackedquads was Town until recently? And why did they think so? > > I don’t recall having an opinion on him. > > By the way, did you miss my interactions with him when he lost his cool? I was talking about Episky. You seem to be pushing for his lynch (or mine) regardless of where your vote is. Not a smudge. I do still think you are probably town. I am just pointing out what you are doing with your smudges. I am not sure you know you are doing it though. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4718 "2011-09-05T20:53:47Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I was talking about Episky. You seem to be pushing for his lynch (or mine) regardless of where your vote is. > > Not a smudge. I do still think you are probably town. I am just pointing out what you are doing with your smudges. I am not sure you know you are doing it though. I’m suspicious of both of you, yes. That’s no smudge. So it’s Episkey who most people thought was Town until recently? Let me amend my question. Who thought E[iskey was Town until recently and why? As I recall, he’s been under some significant pressure since PizzaGuy revealed his results. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4719 "2011-09-05T20:54:42Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m suspicious of both of you, yes. That’s no smudge. > > So it’s Episkey who most people thought was Town until recently? > > Let me amend my question. Who thought E[iskey was Town until recently and why? As I recall, he’s been under some significant pressure since PizzaGuy revealed his results. No? I thought the reason I was getting all the votes was because one of us must have been town and he was more likely? Did I get that argument wrong? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4720 "2011-09-05T20:55:43Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m suspicious of both of you, yes. That’s no smudge. Pushing to have someone lynched without actively voting for them or calling for their lynch is a smudge. Kind of by definition. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4721 "2011-09-05T21:06:41Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Pushing to have someone lynched without actively voting for them or calling for their lynch is a smudge. Kind of by definition. Smudge 1) Making a mild or vague accusatory statement about a specific player but not using that statement in a case that results in a vote for that player. That’s from pour wiki, and it’s my common definition of a smudge. I thought you shared that definition. What you’re calling a smudge is having suspicions on multiple people while only be able to vote for one of them. Perhaps you can recommend a way for me to actively vote for more than 1 person. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=235) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=237)