# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 243
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4842 "2011-09-07T12:29:19Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Scum’s detective accurately reported on NAF and I. That limits the number of tries that he would have had to investigate his own teammates. In fact, I think he would have had only one shot to do it. Impossible? No. But he used his first two investigations on Town. Actually Idle never claimed to have investigated you. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > **Night 2, I targeted Silver Jan** , for thinking she was the most suspicious of the huge kerfuffle on Day 2. > > Morning came, and I got TWO results (only one of which I relayed): One, that I was blocked (this is the one I told everyone)…but I had another from someone else, apparently… **The other informed me that, apparently, Drain Bead is a reflector, and a Villager.** > What she does is selects a target each night. Her target’s night action for that night will be redirected back to her target. And she wins when all the threats to Town have been eliminated. > > The info on **Drain Bead** , I assume, came from someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4843 "2011-09-07T12:31:47Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I think you mixed these two: I targeted ATPG on Night two (and he was told Episkey was scum due to my power). But Pizza Guy never got a message saying I was scum, at least not that he said he did (as far as I know, nobody said they got a message saying I was scum). And Idle’s other night 2 claim. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4844 "2011-09-07T13:14:58Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Scum’s detective accurately reported on NAF and I. That limits the number of tries that he would have had to investigate his own teammates. In fact, I think he would have had only one shot to do it. Impossible? No. But he used his first two investigations on Town. > [@Scathach](#): > > Actually Idle never claimed to have investigated you. FWIW, \*\*Idle \*\*claimed (as \*\*Scathach \*\*quoted) to have targeted **Silver Jan** , who in turn I have claimed as a **Villager**. So \*\*Drain Bead \*\*is correct (albeit perhaps unintentionally). Rereading Idle’s #3721, here’s what he said: Night 1: Targeted NAF, investigated em as Town/Mimic. Night 2: Targeted Silver Jan, blocked. Received investigation of Drain Bead as Town/Reflector. Night 3: Targeted self, got TWO investigations claimed as Town/Detective. Now known to have been lying out his Scummy Wolf tail. Ergo, he never claimed any investigation of anybody believed to be Scum. Also, a known (Dead!) Scum has claimed a target for N1. Had he claimed this on Day 2, I would have soft-cleared NAF at that point. But this was on Day 4, so Idle’s investigation isn’t sufficient. Zeriel’s, OTOH, is sufficient. Whether we lynch crackedquads, Episkey, or someone else, we need to consider who else might be Scum. ---
**Author:** ![DonkTimesFour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ea924/32.png) [@DonkTimesFour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonkTimesFour)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4845 "2011-09-07T13:20:03Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > This is a pretty little theory of yours and all, and I really don’t mean to shit on it, but there’s almost no way a day angel would know their power yet. No one has survived a lynch. i am sure there are ways for wolves to find out who they are and ways for villagers to find out who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4846 "2011-09-07T13:20:23Z")
So I was updating my list of Dead and Alive players. By my count we have eliminated 5 Wolves. If Sanga’s slip is to be trusted, we have 4 remaining. At 18 Living players just on numbers it’s still anybody’s game. I need to review the case on CQ and my reads on many people. I especially don’t know enough about Donk\*4 (ex sachertorte) or JD (ex Sis Coyote). ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4847 "2011-09-07T13:21:51Z")
NETA > [@DonkTimesFour](#): > > i am sure there are ways for wolves to find out who they are and ways for villagers to find out who they are. You think? Various people have reported receiving their complete role PM. We know the Masons had that ability inherent in their role, and someone (who may know who they are) can give that info to (presumably) their target. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4848 "2011-09-07T13:29:49Z")
Another thought, as I was going through my list of players and my estimates on their side, and adding in claimed roles. Jan, you’ve been reported as Town (by my message to myself) and Roleblocker (by blocking Idle and possibly a few others). I’m curious whether you targeted Episkey or me last Night and why. I also am curious about your reasoning for your N4 target; I don’t have in my notes who said D5 they got blocked. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4849 "2011-09-07T13:31:35Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Because after zeriel claims seer and that naf = villager, you’re likely to be a wolf? Good job to whoever role blocked you if they are indeed a role blocker. FWIW if anyone isn’t sure of their role be careful trusting epi’s claim here, he may tried to be misleading villagers on purpose as he’s probably going to be the lynch today. > > Or you’re a wolf who lied about your role. Or you’re a wolf seer and lied about your accuracy. > > Meh I expect better theories from you tbh. You realize that even IF I’m a wolf I still give a peek to the village according to this theory of my role? It’s backwards and then you flip it when I die. Not surprised you think that’s good that the village doesn’t have more info though :thumb: And yes, I’m probably the wolf seer that lied about my accuracy. You know, since, well, the wolf seer has been fucking dead for 2 Days and I actually GIVE whispers that can confirm they are backwards. And believe me, I expected better\* from you too. \*No hate, just disappointment ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4850 "2011-09-07T13:36:34Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > This is a pretty little theory of yours and all, and I really don’t mean to shit on it, but there’s almost no way a day angel would know their power yet. No one has survived a lynch. I also disagree with this. I’d bet a lot of money the wolves know each and every one of their roles by now. They had a detective, they have a think tank of cross referencing things, etc. What I’m trying to figure out is if it was a day angel, why would it be you if you’re villa? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4851 "2011-09-07T13:40:59Z")
It seems to me that cq is more likely a scottsman than anything else. Someone want to tell me.why that is wrong? Episky did you target anyone last night? I am adding bufftabby to my cleared list. Can someone do me a favor. I am going to only have time to check in from.my phone between classes. Can someone post the list I posted yesterDay for me and add buff to the town list? I am going to vote for someone in the unknown list. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4852 "2011-09-07T13:41:49Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I don’t get this, why would **Crackedquads** make such a big hooha on his case against **NAF** yesterday when, if\*\* NAF\*\* flipped Town then\*\* Cracked\*\* would definitely be lynched the next Day? It sounds more likely that\*\* Cracked\*\* is Town and really believed that he had found a scum. Now that NAF has been cleared by\*\* Zeriel\*\* I don’t really think there is a case against **Cracked**. > > I am more inclined to think that because **Zeriel** semi-cleared\*\* NAF\*\* yesterDay, that scum killed him last night and as most people were saying that either **NAF** or\*\* Episkey\*\* had to be scum and with\*\* NAF\*\* being semi-cleared, that a scum\*\* Episkey\*\* needed to get rid of\*\* Zeriel\*\* because scum realised that his results were accurate. I hope this makes sense. > > **Vote Episkey** I don’t believe it does make sense for a couple reasons: 1. If Zuriel is seer he dies regardless of my role, as killing the seer is hugely important and well, his death doesn’t affect me. NAF has already been cleared town once he claimed and pwnsall confirmed. So killing Zuriel does nothing to affect the “me or NAF” thing does it? 2. I want to rewrite your first paragraph: > [@](#): > > I don’t get this, why would **Episkey** make such a big hooha on his case against **NAF** yesterday when, if\*\* NAF\*\* flipped Town then\*\* Episkey\*\* would definitely be lynched the next Day? It sounds more likely that\*\* Episkey\*\* is Town and really believed that he had found a scum. My point is, the reason you think cq is town is because it would make no sense to go after NAF so hard as scum knowing he’s lynched next once NAF flips town. Yet you vote me when the exact same thing can be said about me. If I’m scum, do you really think I go into thunderdome mode with NAF “ONE OF US IS SCUM” if I know he’s going to flip town and I die next? It seems like a gap in logic to me. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4853 "2011-09-07T13:43:49Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > It seems to me that cq is more likely a scottsman than anything else. Someone want to tell me.why that is wrong? > > Episky did you target anyone last night? > > I am adding bufftabby to my cleared list. Can someone do me a favor. I am going to only have time to check in from.my phone between classes. Can someone post the list I posted yesterDay for me and add buff to the town list? > > I am going to vote for someone in the unknown list. I was roleblocked, which according to cracked is a good thing. Wouldn’t want any more investigation reports out there would we? Is scottsman town? I’m trying to figure it out. He was day angeled, and I have to imagine the wolf team knows their roles. So why would they target cracked if so? If a villager targeted cracked, why? Just another puzzle piece that makes no sense in this damn game. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4854 "2011-09-07T13:45:39Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Another thought, as I was going through my list of players and my estimates on their side, and adding in claimed roles. > > Jan, you’ve been reported as Town (by my message to myself) and Roleblocker (by blocking Idle and possibly a few others). I’m curious whether you targeted Episkey or me last Night and why. I also am curious about your reasoning for your N4 target; I don’t have in my notes who said D5 they got blocked. I’d like to hear this as well. I don’t believe a town member would want to roleblock someone that dishes out a whisper - even if it’s backwards since, well, we all know its backwards so no weight is added to it prior to me dying. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4855 "2011-09-07T13:47:55Z")
Not Game Relevant: Shark Night 3d is not a good movie, even after many many beers. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4856 "2011-09-07T14:03:42Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > It seems to me that cq is more likely a scottsman than anything else. Someone want to tell me.why that is wrong? Because that power doesn’t involve targeting someone at Night. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4857 "2011-09-07T14:05:06Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > This is a pretty little theory of yours and all, and I really don’t mean to shit on it, but there’s almost no way a day angel would know their power yet. No one has survived a lynch. Except that each Day, people seem to be getting their roles PM’d to them. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4858 "2011-09-07T14:06:59Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I don’t get this, why would **Crackedquads** make such a big hooha on his case against **NAF** yesterday when, if\*\* NAF\*\* flipped Town then\*\* Cracked\*\* would definitely be lynched the next Day? It sounds more likely that\*\* Cracked\*\* is Town and really believed that he had found a scum. Now that NAF has been cleared by\*\* Zeriel\*\* I don’t really think there is a case against **Cracked**. > > I am more inclined to think that because **Zeriel** semi-cleared\*\* NAF\*\* yesterDay, that scum killed him last night and as most people were saying that either **NAF** or\*\* Episkey\*\* had to be scum and with\*\* NAF\*\* being semi-cleared, that a scum\*\* Episkey\*\* needed to get rid of\*\* Zeriel\*\* because scum realised that his results were accurate. I hope this makes sense. > > **Vote Episkey** Unless of course, crackedquads is Scum with Episkey, in which case, he might really want to lynch NAF to save both of them. **If Scum have a Day Angel, and Episkey is Scum, don’t you think odds are quite high that he’s unlynchable toDay?** ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4859 "2011-09-07T15:57:20Z")
You have a point, Ed. **unvote Episkey** **vote crackedquads** ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4860 "2011-09-07T17:08:02Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > It seems to me that cq is more likely a scottsman than anything else. Someone want to tell me.why that is wrong? > . It’s not a role directly relating to a night action. If godfather was ruled out, I think we can rule out scotsman. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4861 "2011-09-07T17:21:08Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Scum’s detective accurately reported on NAF and I. That limits the number of tries that he would have had to investigate his own teammates. In fact, I think he would have had only one shot to do it. Impossible? No. But he used his first two investigations on Town. This is a good point, but maybe that’s why **cracked** made the argument that the day angel “couldn’t” have known their role – scum used their one self-investigation on their day angel and realized what an improbable situation it was. I don’t know. In any event, I think the far stronger side of the argument is: what scenario is there where a Town day angel (a) knows their role; (b) knows that cracked is Town; and (c) doesn’t speak up and claim to keep us from mislynching him a second time? I’m trying to work out how we have a Town day angel who is keeping quiet right now, and I’m not seeing one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=242) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=244)