# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 246
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4902 "2011-09-07T19:58:16Z")
Too slow. I still think that’s inconsistent with the rules as stated. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4903 "2011-09-07T19:58:42Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Obv anything I say should be viewed with skepticism, but here’s how this is going to go down from my pov: > > I just need to survive til the end of the game. I have a certain number of lives to help me do this, and I can also vig whoever I want. I can be roleblocked though, and my targets can be angeled. I won’t use my power anymore if I’m left alone. For every day the village tries to lynch me, I’ll kill vig one person each night who was voting for me. If the wolves try to nightkill me, I’ll vig my biggest wolf read that night. I am told everytime an attempt on my life is made. > > That’s about it for now. So you are “neutral” and yet trying to stay in this game by threatening us? ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4904 "2011-09-07T20:00:07Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > A neutral vigilante. Lightfoot and pwnsall were shot. Was DanceCat? I can’t remember. > > You’re still postulating essentially pure luck in someone (whether town or scum) ensuring your lynch yesterday. But you didn’t claim yesterday, you only claim today. > > lilflower never claimed protection that I remember (and Inner Stickler WAS shot that night, right? So who killed him?) and I’m almost positive that Special Ed never did. What does “wasn’t successful” mean in this context, what sort of message? I targeted special ed n1, and I was told “I did not feel like using my power today” I assume this means I was roleblocked. Special Ed probably did not know I was targeting him. On N3 when I targed lilflower, however, I was told my attempt was unsuccessful, which I take it to mean that she was being protected. I had no reason to claim yesterday, plus I was afk almost the whole day. Why would lilflower claim protection? Either she didn’t know she was protected, or she did and didn’t want to out it because a wolf was protecting her, and she is probably also a wolf. Remember my big bright red wolf list 2 days before I was lynched? Lilflower was on there for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4905 "2011-09-07T20:00:40Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I was told I was a neutral and that I had a fixed number of lives in my role pm. I was not told my power though. I figured I was a vigilante just because I’m a neutral, but that was confirmed on N2 when I targeted and killed dancecat. N4 it was a lock when I killed lightfoot, and obv I knew what I was doing when I killed pwnsall. You got a role PM? When? ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4906 "2011-09-07T20:01:10Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > So you are “neutral” and yet trying to stay in this game by threatening us? Yeah, my win condition is to stay alive til end of game. You can either let me achieve that or everyone team up on me and in a couple of days I’ll be dead. If you want to go with the latter though, I’m telling you all now I will be taking a few of you with me. Pretty simple, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4907 "2011-09-07T20:02:08Z")
And here’s why I say it…if you win with either side as long as you stay alive, you should have been shooting for Scum, not killing off people who were helpful or confirmed Town. All that does is lengthen the game, which is bad for a role that needs to survive to endgame. Given that Town has done well so far in whittling down the Scum numbers, a Survivor should not have solely been aiming for Town. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4908 "2011-09-07T20:02:11Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > You got a role PM? When? At the start of the game, before it began. I was told I was a neutral, I was told my win condition, I was told I was tough, but I was not told my power just like everyone else wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4909 "2011-09-07T20:03:14Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > And here’s why I say it…if you win with either side as long as you stay alive, you should have been shooting for Scum, not killing off people who were helpful or confirmed Town. All that does is lengthen the game, which is bad for a role that needs to survive to endgame. Given that Town has done well so far in whittling down the Scum numbers, a Survivor should not have solely been aiming for Town. I’ve killed 3 villagers. I tried killing lilflower who I’m almost certain is a wolf, but she was being angeled. I can’t help that. Pwnsall was just a rage kill though because I was mad he was making me out myself. Dancecat and Lightfoot I assumed to be villagers though. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4910 "2011-09-07T20:04:24Z")
Also, given the accuracy of your Wolf reads, I’m pretty sure taking your bargain would be to Town’s ultimate detriment even if you’re telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4911 "2011-09-07T20:05:03Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I’ve killed 3 villagers. I tried killing lilflower who I’m almost certain is a wolf, but she was being angeled. I can’t help that. Pwnsall was just a rage kill though because I was mad he was making me out myself. > > Dancecat and Lightfoot I assumed to be villagers though. Do you have any plans to actually explain why you think I’m scum? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4912 "2011-09-07T20:05:34Z")
I get the claimed logic on lilflower. I don’t get (or buy) Inner Stickler getting shot that night instead, when you are if I have it right claiming all “X got shot” deaths since Guiri got killed EXCEPT that one. To me it looks like you don’t care to claim responsibility for killing that role and the lilflower business is just patching the gap. Except now I’m thinking Inner Stickler died night two, not night three. Just a moment. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4913 "2011-09-07T20:07:23Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Also, given the accuracy of your Wolf reads, I’m pretty sure taking your bargain would be to Town’s ultimate detriment even if you’re telling the truth. You shouldn’t take all my reads at face value. If I was right all the time, the wolves would probably have tried to NK me by now. If I push a villager every now and then I could stay off their radar. If I only push villagers, then you guys probably try to lynch me. I’m not playing as a villager trying to lynch just wolves, I’m just trying to survive lol. > [@lilflower](#): > > Do you have any plans to actually explain why you think I’m scum? No? I don’t care if you live or die, as long as one team wins. For all I care wolves can run the rest of the game as long as I stay alive. In either way, I won’t be vigging anyone as long as no one is trying to kill me. Sounds like a reasonable trade off. Heading out now, bbl. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4914 "2011-09-07T20:11:11Z")
**crackedquads** , Do you know how many kill attempts you can survive? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4915 "2011-09-07T20:11:16Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > You shouldn’t take all my reads at face value. If I was right all the time, the wolves would probably have tried to NK me by now. If I push a villager every now and then I could stay off their radar. If I only push villagers, then you guys probably try to lynch me. I’m not playing as a villager trying to lynch just wolves, I’m just trying to survive lol. > > No? I don’t care if you live or die, as long as one team wins. For all I care wolves can run the rest of the game as long as I stay alive. > > In either way, I won’t be vigging anyone as long as no one is trying to kill me. Sounds like a reasonable trade off. > > Heading out now, bbl. Don’t you have to kill every Night, though? So you don’t really have the option to say you won’t vig if we leave you alone. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4916 "2011-09-07T20:12:25Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **crackedquads** , > > Do you know how many kill attempts you can survive? Yes, won’t say how many. > [@lilflower](#): > > Don’t you have to kill every Night, though? So you don’t really have the option to say you won’t vig if we leave you alone. Actually that might be true, my target may be randomized, I’ll check later. Better for you than me taking the shots I would imagine. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4917 "2011-09-07T20:17:02Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Yes, won’t say how many. > > Actually that might be true, my target may be randomized, I’ll check later. Better for you than me taking the shots I would imagine. For me personally, I guess not since you have it out for me. But for town, no, I don’t think it’s better. Maybe you should try to actually kill some scum and then town won’t lynch you. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4918 "2011-09-07T20:24:32Z")
OK, as usual I was misremembering most of it. Night One: Mahaloth is shot (presumably by Guiri) and poisoned (presumably by ATPG). No one else is. Night Two: DanceCat and Inner Stickler are shot (latter one by Guiri’s gun). So this far is consistent with CQ’s story (with or without complication of mason kill), provided brewha’s kills are not marked in this way. Night Three: gnarlycharlie and Astral are shot. This one is a problem. CQ could be telling the truth _if_ the masons killed Astral and _if_ Inner Stickler’s killer is not a townie either (because gnarlycharlie!) But then where has that killer been for the past two nights? Night Four: one death by shooting, Lightfoot. Night Five: Just pwnsall IIRC. CQ could be gnarly’s killer and be lying about night three because killing a mason doesn’t look too good, but that doesn’t explain Inner Stickler. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4919 "2011-09-07T20:24:55Z")
I’m still voting for you toDay, though, because I don’t like being held hostage like this and I also don’t like that you killed players that you think are town. That’s not helpful to town and therefore you need to go. I also find it hard to believe that you are neutral. There are other threats out there besides scum so it’s very possible that you are one of those threats. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4920 "2011-09-07T20:29:21Z")
Wait, Suburban said he did visit lilflower. Argh. About the only thing I’m sure about right now is that CQ is bullshitting about having multiple lives. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4921 "2011-09-07T20:31:03Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Wait, Suburban said he did visit lilflower. Argh. > > About the only thing I’m sure about right now is that CQ is bullshitting about having multiple lives. I’m thinking that as well. I think he’s just trying to scare us into not voting for him toDay. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=245) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=247)