# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 250
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4982 "2011-09-08T14:44:49Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > N3 I targeted Pwnsawll but was told no one visited Septimus - so I was redirected, so any other claims of redirection on N3 could be suspicious Unless this was caused by Septimus himself I don’t see how this can be the case. No one should be able to send orders to redirect player X to player Y. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4983 "2011-09-08T14:58:43Z")
At some point we’ll need to revisit the poisoning of drain bead that happened after the death of pizzaguy. A delaying power? Scum mimic? Something? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4984 "2011-09-08T15:03:22Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Unless this was caused by Septimus himself I don’t see how this can be the case. No one should be able to send orders to redirect player X to player Y. Perrier could send people to himself correct? There are other convoluted ways such as new target automatically targets last Night’s target ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4985 "2011-09-08T15:04:41Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Perrier could send people to himself correct? There are other convoluted ways such as new target automatically targets last Night’s target Damn auto correct. Perrier is Peeker ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4986 "2011-09-08T15:09:38Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You a watcher PCM? Had you already claimed that? If so you want to watch me toNight? I am the lijely scum kill as one of the few confirmed town. Do you think the scum have to name a killer or is it a general Scum kill? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4987 "2011-09-08T15:09:41Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Yes I claimed way back on day two ro three when under a bit of pressure (hey I break easily ) > to reiterate what I have said so far > N1 Suburban Plankton visited episki > N2 No one visted Suburban Plankton > N3 I targeted Pwnsawll but was told no one visited Septimus - so I was redirected, so any other claims of redirection on N3 could be suspicious > N4 I watched cracked quads - no one visted him. > > So if Cracked was a wolf and all power are targeted at night and some other wolf had decided to protect him from a day lynch they would have had to target him N4- I dont see how that could be as no one visited him N4. > (this in response to Giraffe suggesting cracked is a wolf and was protected) Interesting list there. Would a Day Angel’s protection last beyond the next Day? Also, you’re claiming an N1 target of Episkey. Should Episkey flip Scum, I’ll soft clear you by my previous reasoning on other people. Would you like to claim an N5 target and result? > [@special\_ed](#): > > At some point we’ll need to revisit the poisoning of drain bead that happened after the death of pizzaguy. A delaying power? Scum mimic? Something? Did NAF ever claim to mimic PizzaGuy? Also, we know of one delaying power, the long-Dead Krayz. A second one is possible. Anything is possible at present. AOP: Ed, do you mean peeker? AOP2: [damnyouautocorrect.com](http://damnyouautocorrect.com) FTW. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4988 "2011-09-08T15:13:20Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Do you think the scum have to name a killer or is it a general Scum kill? I’ve seen it done both ways here. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4989 "2011-09-08T15:18:06Z")
So seeing as my target actively doesn’t seem to want to admit it (or doesn’t realize it), I targeted **Normal Phase** last Night. No real reason other than that she’s been flying more under the radar than she normally does, so I thought I might find a quiet Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4990 "2011-09-08T15:18:50Z")
Not at the moment Am I correct in saying Zerial cleared NAF as town? Sorry catching up again. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4991 "2011-09-08T15:20:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > If I am correct, I deduce that **bufftabby** is herself the Courtesan, or whatever the role is that gives players a warm glow. I agree that I am most likely a Warm Glowinator of some sort, but I’m not sure what makes you conclude that I’m a Courtesan. Have I missed something (entirely possible–I’ve certainly missed some things), or is your conclusion simple conjecture? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4992 "2011-09-08T15:23:43Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Perrier could send people to himself correct? There are other convoluted ways such as new target automatically targets last Night’s target Heh, Perrier. Peeker and Drain Bead both require only one target be sent, but I suppose the other is a possibility. Drain, I got the same non-result as always, I don’t have any real problem offering that. But I’d like Septimus to say what he was thinking. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4993 "2011-09-08T15:28:55Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > I’m not sure I like that you were advocating a mass claim before you knew your own role I advocated reveal of targets. I’m still happy to show my targets, as part of a general reveal, or even one-on-one quid pro quo. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Answer first why you would reveal someone else’s role whom you don’t appear to suspect as scum. On my private list I already had bufftabby as likely Scum(\*). That Courtesan is usually a Scum role made this seem even more likely, hence the reveal. But I don’t know the Courtesan is Scum. With all the peeks (and insane peeks, fake peeks, etc.), this reveal seemed “small potatoes” anyway, and might be pro-Town even if bufftabby is Town. (\* - along with another seven players or so. The hunches are much too vague to report, but include Giraffe, Scathach, and you yourself, Ms. Phase.) ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4994 "2011-09-08T15:29:18Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Perrier could send people to himself correct? There are other convoluted ways such as new target automatically targets last Night’s target We also have Lightfoot I’s claim that he was redirected from crackedquads onto peeker. Now this could be the result of peeker himself, I think. If peeker targets crackedquads, doesn’t peeker then become the target of anything directed at crackedquads? JD also claims to have been redirected on Night 2. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4995 "2011-09-08T15:32:57Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I advocated reveal of targets. I’m still happy to show my targets, as part of a general reveal, or even one-on-one quid pro quo. > > On my private list I already had bufftabby as likely Scum(\*). That Courtesan is usually a Scum role made this seem even more likely, hence the reveal. > > But I don’t know the Courtesan is Scum. With all the peeks (and insane peeks, fake peeks, etc.), this reveal seemed “small potatoes” anyway, and might be pro-Town even if bufftabby is Town. > > (\* - along with another seven players or so. The hunches are much too vague to report, but include Giraffe, Scathach, and you yourself, Ms. Phase.) Where are you getting the term “courtesan”? And why would this role be a scum role? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4996 "2011-09-08T15:33:47Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > [Septimus: “If I am correct, I deduce that bufftabby is herself the Courtesan, or whatever the role is that gives players a warm glow.”]I agree that I am most likely a Warm Glowinator of some sort, but I’m not sure what makes you conclude that I’m a Courtesan. The wording of my post makes clear I deduced you were a “Warm Glowinator.” The leap from there to Courtesan was suggested by some other player a few thousand posts ago. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4997 "2011-09-08T15:47:26Z")
That doesn’t much explain anything given you also said you’d never gotten any night results. Just yesterday you were speculating you might be Lightfoot’s missing mason partner. I’d like to see the sources of your hunches, please. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4998 "2011-09-08T15:50:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I advocated reveal of targets. I’m still happy to show my targets, as part of a general reveal, or even one-on-one quid pro quo. Still a good idea. > [@](#): > > On my private list I already had bufftabby as likely Scum(_). That Courtesan is usually a Scum role made this seem even more likely, hence the reveal. > (_ - along with another seven players or so. The hunches are much too vague to report, but include Giraffe, Scathach, and you yourself, Ms. Phase.) I disagree with you about Giraffe. I have in my notes that a known Scum (probably BlaM or sanga) had claimed on D2 or D3 to have targeted Giraffe on N1. I soft-cleared Giraffe based on that. > [@septimus](#): > > The wording of my post makes clear I deduced you were a “Warm Glowinator.” The leap from there to Courtesan was suggested by some other player a few thousand posts ago. I think I made the suggestion, probably using the role name Whore. This seems to me a role likely to be Scum – but in this game we can’t count on normal alignment - role matches. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/4999 "2011-09-08T15:56:54Z")
I looked at my list and cross-referenced with post counts. J.D. has 24 posts since e took over for Sis Coyote. Today eir sole post was a vote on CQ with the reason “Seems obvious.” The laggers for unsubbed players are septimus (48) and bufftabby (56). Both of these counts seem to me to not be lurking. At the other end, NAF is the most talkative Living player, and the rest of the top four are all Dead. J.D., please step up your participation. If I can’t find a good target, this late in the game I’d strongly consider Lynch the Lurker. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5000 "2011-09-08T15:57:29Z")
Scum Courtesan is usually a roleblocker, not a “warm glow” whatever, just saying. This is not remotely to defend bufftabby, on whom I have virtually no read. But I don’t think courtesan=scum and courtesan=warm glow are concepts that demand an overlap, and eh. I’m just not liking Septimus’ last few posts. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5001 "2011-09-08T16:01:01Z")
Also please don’t dismiss Giraffe entirely from suspicion based on the likelihood that he was targeted by Blastermaster on night one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=249) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=251)