# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 252
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5022 "2011-09-08T17:22:05Z")
Heh, interesting paradox - what happens if Septimus targets a role blocker? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5023 "2011-09-08T17:23:10Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I could be, yes. But I don’t know who else targeted her. I did. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5024 "2011-09-08T17:24:56Z")
I don’t know if I was specifically told I was cured, but I assume I was, seeing as I’m still alive. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5025 "2011-09-08T17:27:32Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I don’t know if I was specifically told I was cured, but I assume I was, seeing as I’m still alive. It was mentioned in the morning post. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5026 "2011-09-08T17:30:24Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I posted my first four Nights worth of targets back in [post 3722](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14196279&postcount=3722): I apologize. I think I saw this, then repressed it (assuming it would reappear in one of Lilflower’s great summaries 🆒 ). You also got peeks for non-targets N1 and N2, right? Any idea about that? So now I commit to revealing my targets if/when either Normal Phase or J.D. reveal theirs. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5027 "2011-09-08T17:36:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I apologize. I think I saw this, then repressed it (assuming it would reappear in one of Lilflower’s great summaries 🆒 ). You also got peeks for non-targets N1 and N2, right? Any idea about that? > > So now I commit to revealing my targets if/when either Normal Phase or J.D. reveal theirs. Can you tell us what PM you got last Night? It could help a townie figure out their role or, if it’s a scum role, let us know what we are up against. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5028 "2011-09-08T17:44:45Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I also volunteered to go first if there was a mass reveal. Remember? Yes, but instead of a mass reveal, we’ve been getting information slowly leaking out player by player, so it’s becoming clear that we’re not going to have any sort of ‘mass claim’. You’re now volunteering to basically go next-to-last, which is very convenient for you. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5029 "2011-09-08T17:46:34Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > I did. And? Did you get a result? You targeted: N0 - ??? N1 - Dancecat N2 - special ed N3 - ??? N4 - Drain Bead N5 ??? Car to fill in the blanks? Do you know, or have an idea, what your power is? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5030 "2011-09-08T17:47:00Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Can you tell us what PM you got last Night? It could help a townie figure out their role or, if it’s a scum role, let us know what we are up against. I’m not sure if that info would be more helpful to Town or Scum. Can anyone summarize what we know about the mechanism that causes Players to receive incorrect versions of their own role PM’s? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5031 "2011-09-08T17:55:43Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > We also have Lightfoot I’s claim that he was redirected from crackedquads onto peeker. Now this could be the result of peeker himself, I think. If peeker targets crackedquads, doesn’t peeker then become the target of anything directed at crackedquads? > > JD also claims to have been redirected on Night 2. The claimed watcher claimed that they saw LightFoot 1 being redirected to \*\*Peeker \*\* LF1 had no clue ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5032 "2011-09-08T17:55:47Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > And? > > Did you get a result? > > You targeted: > > N0 - ??? > N1 - Dancecat > N2 - special ed > N3 - ??? > N4 - Drain Bead > N5 ??? > > Car to fill in the blanks? Do you know, or have an idea, what your power is? N0 septimus. Night 3 Idle thoughts. All no apparent result. But Idle and Special Ed reported feeling healthy. And DrainBead was cured. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5033 "2011-09-08T17:58:46Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’m not sure if that info would be more helpful to Town or Scum. > > Can anyone summarize what we know about the mechanism that causes Players to receive incorrect versions of their own role PM’s? So far as Iknow I received a role PM stating role powers and alignment but with my name at the beginning. In addition I received a result based on my own power Did you recieve something like that? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5034 "2011-09-08T18:04:28Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > N0 septimus. Night 3 Idle thoughts. All no apparent result. But Idle and Special Ed reported feeling healthy. And DrainBead was cured. So you targeted Drain Bead on Night 5 (last Night), right? What about Night 4? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5035 "2011-09-08T18:25:47Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > So far as Iknow I received a role PM stating role powers and alignment but with my name at the beginning. In addition I received a result based on my own power > > Did you recieve something like that? Yes, I received a PM with role and alignment, along with a “no result” for my own action. I’m 98% sure the stated role is incorrect. Yours stated you were Apothecary, but you think you’re Tracker, right? Has anyone else reported such incorrect role PMs? I do not understand the mechanism; the following seems too complicated: A targets B C targets D B’s role is sent to D with D’s name substituted for B’s. 😕 😕 A and B are a perverse detective pair? 😕 Lilflower’s repeated questions make me suspect she’s A in this scenario. I’d answer her question … if I had her soft-cleared as Town. My mind is boggled in this game. If players chime in with thoughts on Lilflower’s Towniness, I’ll decide whether to answer her question. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5036 "2011-09-08T18:27:26Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > A and B are a perverse detective pair? 😕 NETA: A and C. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5037 "2011-09-08T18:28:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I apologize. I think I saw this, then repressed it (assuming it would reappear in one of Lilflower’s great summaries 🆒 ). You also got peeks for non-targets N1 and N2, right? Any idea about that? Not to speak for Giraffe, but according to my notes: In #1820 Giraffe reported receiving a message that Blaster Master was a Villager. We now know that BlaM sent that message and that it was false. Somewhere before 2980, Giraffe reported receiving a message that pwnsall was a Villager. I have since claimed to have targeted Giraffe on N2 and have concluded that I sent him that message. I am very interested in J.D. (ex Sister Coyote)'s list of targets. Or indeed, J.D. saying much of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5038 "2011-09-08T18:32:32Z")
It may not need redirection It could be the person with the power tells their target they have a random role ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5039 "2011-09-08T18:32:44Z")
UPDATED LIST OF CLAIMS Please let me know if I got anything wrong. **Night 0** \*\*AskthePizzaGuy \*\*targets lilflower NAF targets \*\*peeker **(successful; has peeker’s power on Night 1) Normal Phase targets Drain Bead Mykbot/DuckburgDK targets himself Suburban Plankton targets** Krayz \*\* Giraffe targets Normal Phase Episkey targets **Dancecat** \*\*Idle \*\*targets Suburban Plankton [post 3721] pwnsall targets **TexCat** bufftabby got no result (did not reveal target) Scathach targets septimus **Night 1** Ed targets Scuba Ben Drain Bead targets Scuba Ben Scuba Ben gets two targets on Night 2 Scuba Ben gets message that Jan is villager Giraffe targets \*\*peeker \*\* Episkey targets Jan (confirmed by SP) Silver Jan targets Ed \*\*Idle \*\*targets NAF [post 3721] \*\*Idle \*\*gets message that NAF is village mimic [post 3721] \*\*AskthePizzaGuy \*\*targets **Mahaloth** \*\*Mahaloth \*\*is poisoned and shot Scathach targets **Dancecat** \*\*Idle \*\*gets message that \*\*Dancecat \*\*is villager Scuba Ben targets **gnarlycharlie** \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*feels protected Episkey targets Jan Silver Jan gets message that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*is wolf \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*targets **Texcat** \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*and \*\*Texcat \*\*discover they are village masons \*\*BlasterMaster \*\*targets Giraffe Giraffe gets message that \*\*BlasterMaster \*\*is villager Weedy gets message that \*\*Texcat \*\*is Villager and mason NAF targets Ed (and has his power for Night 2) **Lightfoot I** targets \*\*silman \*_rec’d “No apparent result” except he woke up dead_ PCM watches Episkey (Suburban Plankton visited Episkey) SP tracks Episkey who visited Silver Jan bufftabby got no result (did not reveal target but says it was not septimus) NAF feels protected \*\*Idle \*\*feels safe septimus enjoyed kindness Ed got no result SisterCoyote/JD got no result (do not know target) \*\*pwnsall \*\*is roleblocked Scathach targets **Dancecat** \*\*Zeriel \*\*targets **Lightfoot I** crackedquads targets Ed (“didn’t feel like using his power”) septimus targets bufftabby **Night 2** AskthePizzaGuy targets **brewha** \*\*brewha \*\*is poisoned \*\*Idle \*\*targets Jan \*\*Idle \*\*targets **AskthePizzaGuy** PCM targets SP (no one visited SP) Drain Bead targets **gnarlycharlie** SP tracks **Lightfoot I** who went in one direction but then turned towards **peeker** Giraffe targets **AskthePizzaGuy** Episkey targets **AskthePizzaGuy** Ed targets buff (random) Silver Jan target **Idle** \*\*Idle \*\*is roleblocked Scathach targets Ed Special Ed feels healthy Special Ed gets a complete role PM with power outlined NAF (mimic) targets himself (with Ed’s power) NAF gets two targets on Night 3 bufftabby targets herself bufftabby felt a warm glow Episkey targets **AskthePizzaGuy** \*\*AskthePizzaGuy \*\*gets message that NAF is a wolf \*\*AskthePizzaGuy \*\*gets message that Episkey is a wolf PCM gets a message that he is the apothecary _[but doesn’t believe it]_ Giraffe gets a message that \*\*pwnsall \*\*is town **Lightfoot I** targeted crackedquads “No apparent result” still alive \* Donkx4 gets a message that \*\*Dancecat \*\*is a villager JD was redirected \*\*Idle \*\*gets message that Drain Bead is village reflector [post 3721] \*\*pwnsall \*\*targets buff \*\*pwnsall \*\*gets “successful” response regarding Night action Normal Phase targets **Idle Thoughts** Scathach targets Ed \*\*Zeriel \*\*targets **peeker** crackedquads targets \*\*Dancecat \*\*(Dancecat dies) **Night 3** **Lightfoot I** targets \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*“No Apparent Result “ except he was shot \* Jan targets **Lightfoot I** \*\*Idle \*\*targets himself [post 3721] \*\*Idle \*\*targets Episkey PCM targets \*\*pwsnall \*\* PCM gets results on septimus (no one visited septimus) Drain Bead targets herself Drain Bead has two targets Night 4 Giraffe targets Ed Scuba Ben gets a message that \*\*Weedy \*\*is a villager \*\*Idle \*\*feels healthy Suburban Plankton tracks crackedquads (CQ visited lilflower) NAF (as Ed) targets Normal Phase NAF (as Ed) targets lilflower Normal Phase targets crackedquads Scathach targets **Idle Thoughts** \*\*Zeriel \*\*targets **TexCat** Episkey targets **gnarlycharlie** Episkey gets a message that \*\*pwnsall \*\*is scum crackedquads targets lilflower (lilflower does not die) septimus targets PCM **Night 4** \*\*Lightfoot I \*\* targets Episkey Scuba Ben targets Drain Bead PCM targets crackedquads (no one visited CQ) Drain Bead targets Episkey Drain Bead targets **Lightfoot I** Drain Bead feels safe Drain Bead gets a message that Ed is town NAF (as lilflower and Normal Phase?) targets **Lightfoot I** Normal Phase gets a role PM for a roleblocker Giraffe targets himself \*\*Zeriel \*\*targets NAF (says NAF is town) Episkey targets **pwnsall** Episkey gets a message the Episkey is scum Jan reports “no apparent result” Ed is roleblocked \*\*pwnsall \*\*is “successful” on **Zeriel** crackedquads targets **Lightfoot I** (Lightfoot I dies) **Night 5** Scuba Ben is roleblocked Drain Bead is cured Drain Bead targets Normal Phase Scathach targets Drain Bead Giraffe targets Drain Bead Episkey is roleblocked septimus receives a role PM crackedquads targets \*\*pwnsall \*\*(pwnsall dies) ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5040 "2011-09-08T18:34:58Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Why would you have thought you were a Vig, when your action didn’t work N0? This doesn’t make sense to me. > > Now addressing everybody but **cq** : CQ said e’d shot pwnsall simply because pwnsall had dared to vote for em and make a strong case. That’s the largest case of \*OMGYS So I’ll Night Kill You \*that I’ve ever seen. Plus, at the time pwnsall was soft cleared (hard cleared to me and anybody who trusts me). Therefore, CQ’s attack at pwnsall was strongly anti Town. > > As I recall, CQ has claimed intentionally targeting Villagers, and has not claimed any attacks on confirmed (Dead) Scum. I see no reason to believe anything e says about, well, just about anything. Further, e’s the only player to have claimed being told _anything_ nonstandard about their role at game start. (I consider Scum being told “These are your fellow Scum, and here’s how you can talk with them” as standard.) > > Therefore I conclude CQ poses a threat to BOTH Town and Wolf. However, e’s presently acting as a co-belligerent with Wolves against Town, and therefore unlikely IMO to be the Wolf’s target Tonight. > > For myself, I think it’s more useful at present to lynch probable Scum than probable SK. So I’m still keeping my vote on Episkey. A cliche in the hand, and all that. > > CQ, now I address you: Should you survive the Day, please shoot at people you think are Wolves. If you truly can win with either side, you really really want us to not keep trying to lynch you. I’ll address you paragraph by paragraph good sir: Yeah I shot pwnsall cus I was mad. He was the biggest cause of me being outed, and I’m very likely not to survive til the end of game like I have to to win, so I might as well have fun and get a revenge kill. I _could_ have claimed to have killed scum. No one would probably argue with me if I did. I just choose to tell the truth because it’s easier. Me claiming to have only killed villagers makes me MORE LIKELY to be telling the truth. Additionally, yes, I feel like I was given more information than you guys were about the game. I’m a neutral, that explains why I would have more information. For being a logical mother fucking person, I present you with an gift (which you can accept or refuse): You can pick my target for tonight. You can either gave me one specific name (It’s best to do this right before end of day so the wolves can’t try any shenanigans) or give me a short list of suspects and I’ll randomly target one of them. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5041 "2011-09-08T18:43:33Z")
Has any trackers claimed to have targeted me? I would suspect they would get no result also, but if not they should be able to verify my targets. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=251) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=253)