# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 255
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5082 "2011-09-08T20:59:57Z")
**Scathach** , that’s interesting. Idle had claimed septimus as a cop. Did septimus previously claim anything? Or was Idle scamming us even more by that point? And I don’t conclude anything from what Idle said about Drain Bead. LF v2, thanks for catching my oversight on LF v1. And we haven’t conclusively determined what safe, warm glow, or healthy feelings mean. Although “safe” probably means a Doc/Angel providing protection. Sheesh. We’re going to have a hard time figuring this all out. So we better hunt down some Wolves and PFK third parties. @Gad: Serves you right for running a game with too many Days. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5083 "2011-09-08T21:00:20Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Curious. N5 you targeted pwnsall, who got shot the same Night by CQ. I don’t believe NAF or LFv1 reported anything significant the following Day. So you probably counter some specific role action. > > @LF v2 and lilflower: IIRC, Idle claimed to have received full reveals for multiple people, including himself twice on the same night. It’s quite possible someone is handing out their target’s full role, as well as someone handing out incorrect full roles. Maybe buff is the Heat Miser and there is a Snow Miser out there. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5084 "2011-09-08T21:04:12Z")
Didnt our cop provide some protection - they watched and protected their target? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5085 "2011-09-08T21:07:30Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Didnt our cop provide some protection - they watched and protected their target? True. So Inner Stickler should have had targets on both Nights 1 and 2. I think Night 1 for sure and possibly for Night 2 assuming kills are processed last (which I think Gad has said before). He also blocked his target. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5086 "2011-09-08T21:36:43Z")
Least I get stuck without internet again **Vote Crackedquads** he is independent and I see no reason to keep him alive, we have no assurance that town will win if he wins ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5087 "2011-09-08T21:50:18Z")
I’ve been looking through the various claims and actions, and came across something that might be significant: **Astral Rejection** and \*\*Weedy \*\*were Mystics. each of them learned the full role of the other’s target. Astral never told us anything about his targets of any information he received, so we get no information from one side of the equation. On the other side, Weedy never told us any of his targets, but he did give us some results. Night 1, Weedy received Texcat’s PM, meaning Astral targeted TexCat. Night 2, Weedy received no message ([Post 3354](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14185066&postcount=3354)) Night 3, Weedy received ‘no apparent result’ ([Post 4147](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14205911&postcount=4147)) The lack of results for Weedy on Nights 2 and 3 imply that Astral was blocked or otherwise prevented from gathering any information on those Nights. I haven’t figured out yet how that information helps us, but assuming there is a Roleblocker somewhere, they appear to have targeted Astral one of those Nights. Probably Astral was blocked on Night 2, since there was no result at all, and Night 3’s ‘no apparent result’ is indicative of ‘something else’. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5088 "2011-09-08T22:10:30Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Not to harp on the same thing, but has ANYONE else been PM’d a full role and alignment for another player? What \*\*Idle \*\*said was “The other (message) informed me that, apparently, Drain Bead is a reflector, and a Villager.” ([Post 3721](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14196240&postcount=3721)). He doesn’t make it clear whether or not he received a full PM, or if he just received role and alignment info. What we can make of that at this point, I don’t know. the actions we’ve seen so far are consistent with\*\* Drain Bead\*\* being a Reflector, but that doesn’t necessarily mean she’s a Villager. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5089 "2011-09-08T22:12:55Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > What \*\*Idle \*\*said was “The other (message) informed me that, apparently, Drain Bead is a reflector, and a Villager.” ([Post 3721](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14196240&postcount=3721)). > > He doesn’t make it clear whether or not he received a full PM, or if he just received role and alignment info. Srsly? It’s the next sentence in Idle’s post! "…The other informed me that, apparently, Drain Bead is a reflector, and a Villager. What she does is selects a target each night. Her target’s night action for that night will be redirected back to her target. And she wins when all the threats to Town have been eliminated. " ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5090 "2011-09-08T22:31:46Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Srsly? It’s the next sentence in Idle’s post! > > "…The other informed me that, apparently, Drain Bead is a reflector, and a Villager. > What she does is selects a target each night. Her target’s night action for that night will be redirected back to her target. And she wins when all the threats to Town have been eliminated. " What, you expect me to read everything I quote?!? sheesh! (we really need an ‘embarrased’ smiley) That does make it appear that \*\*Idle \*\*had \*\*Drain’s \*\*full PM. \*\*PCM \*\*is the only other person who claims to have received a PM that was not theirs. Both of those occurred on Night 2. **Ed** received his PM on Night 2 as well. \*\*Normal \*\*received her PM on Night 4, and I received my PM on Night 5. Nobody claimed to have received anyone’s role on Nights 1 or 3, and nobody has received another player’s PM on any Night but Night 2. This makes Idle’s and PCM’s claims look suspicious, and throws doubts onto Drain’s alignment as well. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5091 "2011-09-08T22:34:31Z")
PCM, claimed to receive a PM saying that he was a role, that wasn’t corresponding with his previous night actions, no? (Genuine question, I can’t find the post) ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5092 "2011-09-08T22:37:58Z")
A couple other things that I’ve recetnly ‘rediscovered’: **Krayz** ’ ability was to delay his target’s Night action until the following Night. He targeted someone on Night 1, so we should be ‘missing’ on action from Night 1 but have one ‘extra’ action on Night 2. The only ‘duplicate actions’ I see on Night 2 are: **J.D**. claims to have been redirected, and \*\*Suburban \*\*claimed that \*\*LightFoot \*\*was redirected. **Idle** , **PCM** , and \*\*Ed \*\*all claim to have received Role PMs **Inner Stickler** was a Beat Cop. he investigated his target, and blocked the target from carrying out or being the victim of _any killing actions_. So his action did not amount to a complete roleblock, but only under certain circumstances. It is possible he targeted **crackedquads** or **special ed** on Night 1, which would have blocked cq’s kill there. He also had a target on Night 2, but there don’t seem to be any ‘missing’ kills that Night. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5093 "2011-09-08T22:43:02Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > PCM, claimed to receive a PM saying that he was a role, that wasn’t corresponding with his previous night actions, no? (Genuine question, I can’t find the post) He first mentions receiving a Role PM in [Post 2754](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14177938&postcount=2754): “Last night I was told I had a role (x) and an alignment (town). However that role as described is not consistent with the results I received the night before. In addition I also recieved a result last nigh that was consistent with the prior nights result. So it appears I was told someone elses role and alignment, but it had my name at the begining.” He tells the role on [Post 2878](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14178837&postcount=2878): “As we have the self confessed poisoner out there I will add The role that was revealed to me (that isnt mine even though it said it was me) is the Apothcary. They can heal or prevent someone being poisoned.” ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5094 "2011-09-08T22:44:10Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > PCM, claimed to receive a PM saying that he was a role, that wasn’t corresponding with his previous night actions, no? (Genuine question, I can’t find the post) seriously does no one read my posts? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14226808&postcount=4822](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14226808&postcount=4822) ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5095 "2011-09-08T22:53:31Z")
Ok, so that means that no one except Idle Thoughts claimed a full role pm for another player was PM’d to them. I think then that it’s safe to say Idle definitely investigated DrainBead. Whether or not he reported it accurately we don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5096 "2011-09-08T22:56:35Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > What, you expect me to read everything I quote?!? sheesh! > > (we really need an ‘embarrased’ smiley) > > That does make it appear that \*\*Idle \*\*had \*\*Drain’s \*\*full PM. \*\*PCM \*\*is the only other person who claims to have received a PM that was not theirs. Both of those occurred on Night 2. > > **Ed** received his PM on Night 2 as well. > \*\*Normal \*\*received her PM on Night 4, and I received my PM on Night 5. Nobody claimed to have received anyone’s role on Nights 1 or 3, and nobody has received another player’s PM on any Night but Night 2. > > This makes Idle’s and PCM’s claims look suspicious, and throws doubts onto Drain’s alignment as well. Normal said that she got a PM for a roleblocker but that she didn’t think she was a roleblocker (similar to PCM’s claim from Night 2). ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5097 "2011-09-08T23:11:56Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Normal said that she got a PM for a roleblocker but that she didn’t think she was a roleblocker (similar to PCM’s claim from Night 2). Yes, but she also said at the time that it wasn’t inconsistent with her results to that point, and I think subsequent events support the idea that she is in fact a Roleblocker. But I’m not 100% certain at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5098 "2011-09-08T23:41:10Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > A couple other things that I’ve recetnly ‘rediscovered’: > **Krayz** ’ ability was to delay his target’s Night action until the following Night. He targeted someone on Night 1, so we should be ‘missing’ on action from Night 1 but have one ‘extra’ action on Night 2. No he didn’t – Krayz had been lynched D1, remember? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5099 "2011-09-09T00:52:21Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > No he didn’t – Krayz had been lynched D1, remember? Oh, yeah. Never mind, then. That must be why I ‘forgot’ that in the first place… ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5100 "2011-09-09T06:29:25Z")
**Crackedquads** is sounding more and more scummy and even if he is 3rd Party he isn’t doing Town any good, killing a semi-confirmed Townie in a “rage” and then confessing to it is so anti-Town that he needs to die. I can’t see any advantage to having him around if he is just going to kill off villagers on a whim. ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5101 "2011-09-09T11:22:03Z")
so cracked claimed neutral vig/SK? he should go today for sure. Epsikey is the next best choice, I cant figure any reason ask would get two wolf results without one being true. I do not like everyone claiming who they targeted, the wolves certainly know more of their roles than we do, it allows them to POE their targets to maximize effectiveness and confusion. I am going to share one thing though, I lied about my action being re-directed. I did it so I would have the maximum amount of time to try and figure out what my role it. I do believe I know what it is from seeing what others are saying, but not sure. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=254) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=256)