# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 256
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5102 "2011-09-09T14:40:47Z")
Boy, things have sure slowed down around here, haven’t they? > [@J.D](#): > > so cracked claimed neutral vig/SK? > > he should go today for sure. > > Epsikey is the next best choice, I cant figure any reason ask would get two wolf results without one being true. > > I do not like everyone claiming who they targeted, the wolves certainly know more of their roles than we do, it allows them to POE their targets to maximize effectiveness and confusion. > > I am going to share one thing though, I lied about my action being re-directed. I did it so I would have the maximum amount of time to try and figure out what my role it. > > I do believe I know what it is from seeing what others are saying, but not sure. Please explain how lying about being redirected gave you more time to figure out your role. That makes no sense whatsoever. I think it’s more likely that you lied about it for some other reason, and have now discovered that you’ve backed yourself into a corner because you can’t explain how it is that you were blocked. Of course, nobody else has gone down that road far enough to demonstrate that there is a contradiction, so that implies that you know something the rest of us don’t. How could that be? I still think we should lynch \*\*Episkey \*\*Today, because I don’t think there’s a Day Angel to protect him, and his death should help clear up a few loose ends. **crackedquads** needs to go ‘soon’ as a self-admitted Third-party Vig/possible PFK Serial Killer, and **J.D.** is next on my list of probable Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5103 "2011-09-09T16:14:30Z")
I’d say we get rid of crackedquads. We need to minimise the numer of deaths. Even if CQ says he will target a possible wolf 1) he doesn’t know for sure who is wolf, and secondly we don’t know if scum have a redirector who could redirect CQ kill to one of us. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5104 "2011-09-09T16:30:02Z")
When does Day end? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5105 "2011-09-09T16:40:38Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > When does Day end? In ~4.5 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5106 "2011-09-09T16:41:19Z")
[Little over 4 hours from now.](http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=Beginning+of+Night+6&month=9&day=9&year=2011&hour=17&min=00&sec=00&p0=179) ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5107 "2011-09-09T16:41:26Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > When does Day end? I have it as today at 5 PM EDT (UTC-4) ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5108 "2011-09-09T17:37:06Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Boy, things have sure slowed down around here, haven’t they? > > Please explain how lying about being redirected gave you more time to figure out your role. That makes no sense whatsoever. I think it’s more likely that you lied about it for some other reason, and have now discovered that you’ve backed yourself into a corner because you can’t explain how it is that you were blocked. Of course, nobody else has gone down that road far enough to demonstrate that there is a contradiction, so that implies that you know something the rest of us don’t. How could that be? > > I still think we should lynch \*\*Episkey \*\*Today, because I don’t think there’s a Day Angel to protect him, and his death should help clear up a few loose ends. **crackedquads** needs to go ‘soon’ as a self-admitted Third-party Vig/possible PFK Serial Killer, and **J.D.** is next on my list of probable Scum. I agree that **Episkey** is scum but **Cracked** is behaving like a little kid that isn’t getting his own way and is killing off Town, I would rather try and get rid of him first. Cracked might just go and kill another Town player toNight just cos he is pissed off. He is dangerous! ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5109 "2011-09-09T19:26:40Z")
Fewer deaths only help Town at this point. What makes you think it’s unlikely that Episkey is day-angeled, Burb? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5110 "2011-09-09T19:38:54Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Fewer deaths only help Town at this point. What makes you think it’s unlikely that Episkey is day-angeled, Burb? Who was it that 1st brought up Day Angels? I had never heard of them before and I don’t think I can trawl though 5000 posts to find it. I think\*\* CQ\*\* could be telling the truth about us not being able to lynch him once, but twice? No… I would rather get rid of a mean Vig that gets rid of Town just 'cos they annoyed him. I really want to get rid of\*\* CQ\*\* now because he is going to target some one that annoys him today! ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5111 "2011-09-09T19:58:31Z")
I could have sworn I had a vote in before now. - stupid flu\* I’m convinced we don’t need what appears to be a neutral(self proclaimed) vig. calling Town Stupid and killing us off willy nilly. It looks like that is going to be the lynch (hope the rope doesn’t break again) My vote is not needed for that to proceed. That said my vote will go to the next best candidate I said once there will be no new information as long as the dog and pony show attached to \*\* Episkey \*\* exits and I will once again \*\* vote Episkey\*\* I expect toMorrow will be another landslide no hunting band wagon vote on em And then we can go back to actually hunting. May I suggest the players that have ‘coasted’ in the last few day’s programming step up. There will be no easy votes in the coming Days. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5112 "2011-09-09T20:01:19Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Who was it that 1st brought up Day Angels? I had never heard of them before and I don’t think I can trawl though 5000 posts to find it. > > I think\*\* CQ\*\* could be telling the truth about us not being able to lynch him once, but twice? No… I would rather get rid of a mean Vig that gets rid of Town just 'cos they annoyed him. I really want to get rid of\*\* CQ\*\* now because he is going to target some one that annoys him today! I may be wrong but I ‘think’ it was CQ isself. (an attempt for villageness before the shenanigans ?) I do recall 'is LOL I survived post really pinged me ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5113 "2011-09-09T20:03:41Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I could have sworn I had a vote in before now. > _stupid flu_ > > I’m convinced we don’t need what appears to be a neutral(self proclaimed) vig. calling Town Stupid and killing us off willy nilly. It looks like that is going to be the lynch (hope the rope doesn’t break again) > > My vote is not needed for that to proceed. That said my vote will go to the next best candidate > I said once there will be no new information as long as the dog and pony show attached to \*\*Episkey \*\*exits and I will once again **vote Episkey** > > I expect toMorrow will be another landslide no hunting band wagon vote on em And then we can go back to actually hunting. > > May I suggest the players that have ‘coasted’ in the last few day’s programming step up. There will be no easy votes in the coming Days. dammit! You cannot discount the Day Angel. In a game like this, it’s more probable that a Night action caused cracked to not be lynched. I think it unlikely that there are any ‘passive’ powers that don’t require targeting like Scotman built into a role. It’s most likely that our lynch failed because of a Night Action. We know that Night Action cannot be targeted crackedquads toDay, but it could be targeting Episkey! Let’s lynch Episkey toMorrow, please? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5114 "2011-09-09T20:07:59Z")
I’m not sure who first brought up the Day Angel idea, but it was done as an explanation for how \*\*crackedquads \*\*survived yesterDay’s lynch. cq has since claimed that he survived the lynch because he was (and according to him, still is) immune to kills. So cq is either telling the truth, or he’s lying. If he’s telling the truth, then there’s no reason to believe a Day Angel exists. If he’s lying, then the only reasonable reason is that he’s Scum, and he needed to make up the lie for some reason. Why would Scum made up such a story, when we all know the natural reaction is going to be “You say we can’t kill you? Well, let’s just find out now, why don’t we”? The only thing I can come up with is that he’s trying to deflect attention away from **Episkey**. I’m not sure whether I believe cq is Scum or 3rd-party. What I am pretty sure of is that he’s not going to be able to survive 2 Lynches, and what I am absolutely sure of is that he needs to die. So I don’t have a problem with his lynch Today, but I’m leaving my vote on Episkey, who I am very certain is Scum. My vote is not needed for the lynch at this point in any case; if it were, then I’d have a more difficult decision to make. Also, I think that Day Angel violates the ‘no abilities that don’t relate directly to Night actions’ rule. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5115 "2011-09-09T20:10:40Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > dammit! You cannot discount the Day Angel. > > In a game like this, it’s more probable that a Night action caused cracked to not be lynched. I think it unlikely that there are any ‘passive’ powers that don’t require targeting like Scotman built into a role. > > It’s most likely that our lynch failed because of a Night Action. > > We know that Night Action cannot be targeted crackedquads toDay, but it could be targeting Episkey! > > Let’s lynch Episkey toMorrow, please? I am with you there,\*\* Ed\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5116 "2011-09-09T20:15:24Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > dammit! You cannot discount the Day Angel. > > In a game like this, it’s more probable that a Night action caused cracked to not be lynched. I think it unlikely that there are any ‘passive’ powers that don’t require targeting like Scotman built into a role. > > It’s most likely that our lynch failed because of a Night Action. > > We know that Night Action cannot be targeted crackedquads toDay, but it could be targeting Episkey! > > Let’s lynch Episkey toMorrow, please? I happen to think that you’re wrong, but that’s just personal opinion. You make a very good point, and it’s quite possible you are correct. In any case, unless there is a flurry of last-minute votes, we are in fact going to lynch \*\*crackedquads \*\*again Today. At the moment, I have **bufftabby** , **Episkey** , and \*\*septimus \*\*as the only people without a vote on the table, and cq with a 5 vote lead. So there’s no way the lynch changes unless some people switch their votes, which would be extremely eyebrow-raising at this stage of the Day. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5117 "2011-09-09T20:18:18Z")
But why do you think he’s wrong? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5118 "2011-09-09T20:19:51Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > dammit! You cannot discount the Day Angel. > > In a game like this, it’s more probable that a Night action caused cracked to not be lynched. I think it unlikely that there are any ‘passive’ powers that don’t require targeting like Scotman built into a role. > > It’s most likely that our lynch failed because of a Night Action. > > We know that Night Action cannot be targeted crackedquads toDay, but it could be targeting Episkey! > > Let’s lynch Episkey toMorrow, please? I’m sure that is a done deal. I didn’t want to appear to add a “me too” vote this late in the day (bad form) And CQ is the lynch toDay (again if the rope don’t break) And I don’t believe our Mod would have given any role too many extra lives . If I don’t survive the night for some reason I was adding my ha’penny ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5119 "2011-09-09T20:27:00Z")
**UPDATED DAY SIX VOTE COUNT** Through #5117 crackedquads (10): J.D. [4771], DonkTimesFour [4826], Giraffe [4834], Drain Bead [4858], Silver Jan [4864], Scathach [4874], lilflower [4877], special ed [4943], NAF1138 [4947], PCM [5085] Episkey (5): [del]Drain Bead [4772][/del], Normal Phase [4777], [del]Scathach [4778][/del], Suburban Plankton [4790], Scuba Ben [4808], crackedquads [4817], [del]Silver Jan [4835][/del], LighterFeet [5110] Precambrianmollusc (0): [del]septimus [4839][/del] Please PM me with any corrections. Day ends in ~30 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5120 "2011-09-09T20:29:46Z")
Before EOD I would also like to bring some heat to \*\* JD \*\* who has \* admitted \* to lying about results (e was not re-directed) Breaking spreadsheets and lying is not a pro-town maneuver in such a game. IMO ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5121 "2011-09-09T20:34:16Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > But why do you think he’s wrong? I think he’s wrong about Episkey, or anyone else, being protected by a Day Angel. I explained why in Post 5113 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=255) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=257)