# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 262
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5222 "2011-09-12T00:04:44Z")
Question all, is it better to lynch lilflower? If she turns up wolf, we know Episkey is insane detective and might get another result out of him? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5223 "2011-09-12T00:04:48Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > I think Cracked quads role reveal said any night investigations or actions on him would result in a no apparent result > Quote our all wise mod > > "You cannot be peeked; attempts to peek you return the message “No apparent result.” > > Are we using the > Paranoid = always scum result > Insane = opposite alignment result > nomenclature? Yes, my mistake. I meant Insane instead of paranoid ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5224 "2011-09-12T00:05:19Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > I targeted **pwnsall** the Night he died, so I doubt it. Unless _I_ was blocked, which I have no reason to think that I was. Do you recall anyone else felling warn and cosy on day 6 (Pwnsall was killed N5 right, after our first lynch attempt on crackedquads?) ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5225 "2011-09-12T00:28:49Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Question all, is it better to lynch lilflower? > > If she turns up wolf, we know Episkey is insane detective and might get another result out of him? When she turns up wolf they eat me and we dont waste a mislynch too. **lilflower** Off to watch the Cowboys/Jets game. Back later ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5226 "2011-09-12T01:05:54Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > PCM received a “You are Town Apothecary” message on Night 2. IIRC he said at the time he didn’t believe it. Some of his results (e.g. his Night 3 result on me) confirm that he is indeed Watcher. > > Several players (Bufftabby, DonkTimesFour, J.D., lilflower, and perhaps Normal Phase) have revealed little about their targeting or results. I view them with suspicion. > > @ LighterFeet - Do you know who Duckburg targeted before you substituted in? I do and it was all “no apparent result” Which made me think I might be the mason my former self could not find…\* I will be more active but RL is a tad more important now \* ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5227 "2011-09-12T02:28:16Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Do you recall anyone else felling warn and cosy on day 6 (Pwnsall was killed N5 right, after our first lynch attempt on crackedquads?) No, I don’t. Even though I’m not able to be terribly active, I _am_ trying to read/respond to anything relevant to me. If someone besides pwnsall _did_ feel warm and glowy, it might be helpful if they would say so now. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5228 "2011-09-12T04:39:03Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > I didnt even read the thread past the “its day” part and 3 insta votes on me. > > If Jan got a “villager” result back I’m going to fistpump hifive everyone itt. Jan is this true? Because if so I am NOT letting you all lynch me over a confirmed wolf lol Yep, it is true 🙂 and I think you are right. You targeted me on N1 cos you thought I was scum and you targeted me last Night cos you thought I was Town lol anyway I do believe you could be the insane cop that always gives wrong results. If **Septimus** got the message from **Scuba** then it makes sense that **Lilflower** is scum **Unvote Episkey** **Vote Lilflower** ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5229 "2011-09-12T06:19:44Z")
If Episkey is telling the truth about his target, then lilflower would seem to be Scum. However, we’re still left with the quandary from two Days ago: On Night 2, Askthepizzaguy was targeted by Scuba Ben (who always generates truthful reports) and by Episkey (who seems to always generate false reports) and pizza reported Wolf whispers on both Episkey and NAF1138. Thus, if Episkey is indeed Town, then NAF1138 is a Wolf. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5230 "2011-09-12T06:47:20Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Thus, if Episkey is indeed Town, then NAF1138 is a Wolf. I phrased this poorly. What I meant was: Agreeing that NAF1138 is Town, we conclude Episkey is a Wolf. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5231 "2011-09-12T07:07:12Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I phrased this poorly. What I meant was: > Agreeing that NAF1138 is Town, we conclude Episkey is a Wolf. But is there any reason why **Pizza** couldn’t have received a “wrong” result for both\*\* NAF\*\* and **Episkey**? We might just be jumping to conclusions here. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5232 "2011-09-12T07:10:27Z")
NETA, ok I misread your post and now I don’t know what to do anymore. I still think that if **Episkey** always generates wrong reports that\*\* Lilflower\*\* is scum ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5233 "2011-09-12T08:40:28Z")
I’ve changed my mind. It’s too bad we’re not 100% sure who Scuba Ben targeted last Night. (More generally, such targeting info might lead to easy Town victory at this point, making me increasingly suspicious of players, e.g. lilflower, who don’t reveal.) But, since Scuba Ben knew his power, targeting a likely Townie would be appropriate … so targeting the very Townish septimus would be logical! 🆒 And that would be consistent if Episkey’s Night-6 target was stated honestly. Thus **Unvote: Episkey** **Vote: lilflower** > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > But is there any reason why **Pizza** couldn’t have received a “wrong” result for both\*\* NAF\*\* and **Episkey**? We might just be jumping to conclusions here. All of the alignment whispers seem to be perfectly consistent with my earlier summary, if there was exactly one lie about a report. There seem to be five distinct possibilities: [ul][li] 1. Pizza received an “Episkey is Town” whisper, but lied about it for reasons of his own.[/li][li] 2. Episkey, Insane-whispering Wolf, received an “Episkey is Town” whisper, and reversed it to be consistent with his claim to be Insane Town.[/li][li] 3. Episkey, Paranoid-whispering Wolf, is lying about Night 6.[/li][li] 4. Zeriel’s read on NAF was somehow incorrect.[/li][li] 5. Other??[/li][/ul] A scheming Pizza (1) _might_ be almost as likely as a Wolf Episkey (2,3) who’s been so cooperative. (4) seems unlikely. Is there any other explanation (5)? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5234 "2011-09-12T11:11:39Z")
At this point I am VERY suspicious of anyone who is trying to keep Episkey alive. It is anti-Town to keep rehashing this discussion every Day. We can lynch Lil Tomorrow, once we are sure we’re operating with truthful info. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5235 "2011-09-12T13:33:38Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > \ > Several players (Bufftabby, DonkTimesFour, J.D., lilflower, and perhaps Normal Phase) have revealed little about their targeting or results. I view them with suspicion. > \ Why is it suspicious that I haven’t been blurting out every little thing I’ve doing in this game? Don’t you think it’s in town’s best interests to keep a few things unknown to the scum? If someone had claimed something that I could corroborate or dispute, I would certainly speak up. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5236 "2011-09-12T13:40:56Z")
So we have Jan saying she got a message that I am town and septimus saying he got a message that I am scum. It’s very likely that Jan was Scuba’s target and septimus was Episkey’s target and Episkey does give out bad information (and that Episkey is town). Now that makes the message about NAF untrue and with Zeriel confirming he is town, I’m not sure how that could happen. If Episkey is lying about his target and he really targeted Jan, that means he gives out both good and bad information (if that’s a plausible role). The bottom line is that I am town. I’m fine with you all lynching me if you must. Frankly, I’m tired of talking about Episkey and if lynching me helps figure all of this out, then so be it. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5237 "2011-09-12T14:34:11Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > So we have Jan saying she got a message that I am town and septimus saying he got a message that I am scum. > > It’s very likely that Jan was Scuba’s target and septimus was Episkey’s target and Episkey does give out bad information (and that Episkey is town). Now that makes the message about NAF untrue and with Zeriel confirming he is town, I’m not sure how that could happen. > > If Episkey is lying about his target and he really targeted Jan, that means he gives out both good and bad information (if that’s a plausible role). > > The bottom line is that I am town. I’m fine with you all lynching me if you must. Frankly, I’m tired of talking about Episkey and if lynching me helps figure all of this out, then so be it. **Episkey** said that he targeted me on N1 and N6 and both times I received information. On N1 I was told that **Gnarly** was scum which was incorrect and on N6 I was told that you were Town. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5238 "2011-09-12T14:37:53Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **Episkey** said that he targeted me on N1 and N6 and both times I received information. On N1 I was told that **Gnarly** was scum which was incorrect and on N6 I was told that you were Town. Understood but you don’t know if Episkey really targeted you. We also don’t know what his role is so who knows what he is or is not capable of. All I’m saying is that I’m town. I don’t not envy you all trying to figure this out toMorrow. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5239 "2011-09-12T14:45:03Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **Episkey** said that he targeted me on N1 and N6 and both times I received information. On N1 I was told that **Gnarly** was scum which was incorrect and on N6 I was told that you were Town. What d you make of the Nights Episkey said he targeted someone else and that person did NOT recieve the information? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5240 "2011-09-12T15:22:32Z")
I don’t understand the people unvoting **Episkey** to vote for **lilflower**. **Askthepizzaguy** , a confirmed Townie received 2 messages on Night 2, saying \*\*NAF1138 \*\*and Episkey were both Scum. We know that **Scuba\_Ben** , a confirmed Town Gossip, targeted Pizza. _Therefore at least one of the messages Pizza received must be true._ **Zeriel** , a confirmed Town Cop, reported that NAF is Town. Therefore the message “NAF is Scum” that Pizza received is false. That means the message “Episkey is Scum” must be true. We don’t even need to take into consideration what Episkey did or didn’t do that Night (or any other Night, for that matter). This information comes to us directly from two confirmed Town Investigators. Unless Pizza, Zeriel, or Scuba\_Ben lied to us or were given false information (which is admittedly _possible_, though \*thoroughly unexplainable \*at this point), Episkey must be Scum. I just don’t see any logical way that it can’t be so. **vote Episkey** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5241 "2011-09-12T15:24:46Z")
I forgot to mention, I tracked **J.D.** last Night. He sure was a popular guy 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=261) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=263)