# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 263
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5242 "2011-09-12T15:38:22Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I forgot to mention, I tracked **J.D.** last Night. He sure was a popular guy 🙂 If you tracked him, you’d only see who he went to visit. Or are you a watcher? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5243 "2011-09-12T15:41:38Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I forgot to mention, I tracked **J.D.** last Night. He sure was a popular guy 🙂 Tracked or watched? ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5244 "2011-09-12T15:47:35Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I think we sort of figured that someone can use dead players powers. I dunno if it is Random or? > > JD do you think you know your role? > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I don’t understand the people unvoting **Episkey** to vote for **lilflower**. > > **Askthepizzaguy** , a confirmed Townie received 2 messages on Night 2, saying \*\*NAF1138 \*\*and Episkey were both Scum. We know that **Scuba\_Ben** , a confirmed Town Gossip, targeted Pizza. _Therefore at least one of the messages Pizza received must be true._ > > **Zeriel** , a confirmed Town Cop, reported that NAF is Town. Therefore the message “NAF is Scum” that Pizza received is false. That means the message “Episkey is Scum” must be true. > > We don’t even need to take into consideration what Episkey did or didn’t do that Night (or any other Night, for that matter). This information comes to us directly from two confirmed Town Investigators. > > Unless Pizza, Zeriel, or Scuba\_Ben lied to us or were given false information (which is admittedly _possible_, though \*thoroughly unexplainable \*at this point), Episkey must be Scum. > > I just don’t see any logical way that it can’t be so. > > **vote Episkey** this is exactly correct. Even if it had the chance of being wrong, getting Episkeys role info would be very important to us. Even if he was a Town (although I dont think he is) he would understand lynching him might be the best thing for us at this point. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I forgot to mention, I tracked **J.D.** last Night. He sure was a popular guy 🙂 Suburban, if your role can see who I visited, dont out it yet please. ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5245 "2011-09-12T15:49:03Z")
oh, forgot I had that first post multi-quoted. I know my role, and have for a few days now. I am really big on not outting info unless there is a very specific pro-town reason to do so. There hasnt been yet, so I havent. I will probably reveal everything before EOD since there is a chance I will die. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5246 "2011-09-12T15:55:20Z")
I have spent hours going over everything and I don’t think it’s helped lol. **Scuba** had to have given out a correct result and\*\* Episkey \*\*apparently a false result Would that mean that\*\* Episkey\*\* sent the false message about\*\* NAF \*\*and **Scuba** sent the correct message about **Episkey**? I know this has been discussed ad nauseam but I am just trying to get things straight in my little brain. Actually I think we will probably learn a bit more when\*\* Episkey\*\* dies. **Unvote Lilflower** **Vote Episkey** It really does make sense that way.\*\* Idle\*\* and **Giraffe** also visited\*\* Pizza\*\* that night but I don’t think they were giving out information. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5247 "2011-09-12T16:05:17Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Tracked or watched? Tracked. I see who my targets visit. **J.D.** , I’d rather wait until you announce your own action, so that I know whether or not you’re being truthful. I see no compelling reason to say anything right at the moment, but I am of the opinion (and have been for a couple Days now) that full information on targets would be a good thing at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5248 "2011-09-12T16:07:54Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > If you tracked him, you’d only see who he went to visit. Or are you a watcher? Ahhhh, I see what you mean… My “he sure was a popular guy” was meant as a commentary on the number of people who \*claim \*to have targeted J.D. last Night (myself, Drain Bead, NAF1138, PCM). I have no knowledge of who \*actually \*visited him. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5249 "2011-09-12T16:13:06Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > It really does make sense that way.\*\* Idle\*\* and **Giraffe** also visited\*\* Pizza\*\* that night but I don’t think they were giving out information. As I explained, it doesn’t matter who targeted \*\*Pizza \*\*that Night, except for **Scuba\_Ben**. Ben told us that he targeted Pizza, and we know Ben gave true information. Therefore, Pizza must have received at least one piece of true information. We know that the information he received regarding \*\*NAF \*\*was false (per **Zeriel** ), so that means the information he received regarding \*\*Episkey \*\*must have been true. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5250 "2011-09-12T16:18:50Z")
Got it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5251 "2011-09-12T16:27:55Z")
I’ll concede that I was wrong. **Unvote: lilflower** **Vote: Episkey** By my count, there are 16 living players, of whom no more than 4 are Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5252 "2011-09-12T16:40:11Z")
Regarding **lilflower** : If \*\*Scuba\_Ben \*\*targeted \*\*septimus \*\*last Night and \*\*Episkey \*\*targeted **Silver Jan** , then lilflower is Scum If Ben targeted Jan and Episkey targeted septimus, then lilflower is Town. We don’t know who Ben targeted, and assuming Episkey is Scum, we don’t know who he targeted either. Of course, unless someone else claims to have received alignment info last Night, we’ll be left to conclude that Jan and septimus were the targets, in whichever order. Unless I’m mistaken we’re plum out of investigative roles, so I’m not sure how we make a decision on \*\*lilflower \*\*without lynching her. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5253 "2011-09-12T17:05:11Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Regarding **lilflower** : > > If \*\*Scuba\_Ben \*\*targeted \*\*septimus \*\*last Night and \*\*Episkey \*\*targeted **Silver Jan** , then lilflower is Scum > > If Ben targeted Jan and Episkey targeted septimus, then lilflower is Town. > > We don’t know who Ben targeted, and assuming Episkey is Scum, we don’t know who he targeted either. > > Of course, unless someone else claims to have received alignment info last Night, we’ll be left to conclude that Jan and septimus were the targets, in whichever order. > Unless I’m mistaken we’re plum out of investigative roles, so I’m not sure how we make a decision on \*\*lilflower \*\*without lynching her. You could lynch Episkey instead and find out what his role is. Isn’t there a role that always sends scum reads whether the person is scum or not? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5254 "2011-09-12T17:09:18Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Ahhhh, I see what you mean… > > My “he sure was a popular guy” was meant as a commentary on the number of people who \*claim \*to have targeted J.D. last Night (myself, Drain Bead, NAF1138, PCM). I have no knowledge of who \*actually \*visited him. Ah, I see. Pity, I was looking forward to lynching you. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5255 "2011-09-12T17:14:34Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Ah, I see. > > Pity, I was looking forward to lynching you. I watched NAF and had noapparent result, I did not claim to watch JD ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5256 "2011-09-12T17:25:57Z")
ok so since most of what I really wanted to see is now out there anyways, and everyone wants it, here is my info. I am a psychiatrist, i pick a person, and they get their role in a PM overnight. i targeted: astral rejection special ed (rand before I subbed) Idle Thoughts (rand I forgot) myself suburban plankton Precambrianmollusc so… > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Well I watched NAF last night but received no apparent result, so either I was blocked, or what I think is more likely is that if someone was protecting NAF - that blocks anyone who targets their target. > > I also watched Zerial the night before, Zerial was only visited by NAF, presumably NAF has Zerial power last night. Also it would appear the wolves kill with a collective kill not an assigned killer as NAF was the only visitor. > > In other news - I again received a PM for a town role with my name at the beginning. Someone out there is the town efficiency expert , who ever they target gets to pick two targets the following night. explain please? > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Who else has received a note in the night giving a role PM with their own name at the beginning? > > If you have I wouldn’t believe it, that twice I have received a role PM with my name but obviously not my role. > (Apothecary and town efficiency expert) explain? and Suburban can obviously confirm my visit now. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5257 "2011-09-12T17:57:23Z")
I just wrote a post trying to see if I could find fault with Suburbans reasoning - more a logical test really and ended up with so many new roles and coincideces required for EPISKI not to be scum that it pretty much seamed certain the Suburbans logic is correct and EPISKi is scum. then it was eaten. I am concerned over the apparent coincidence that both SJ and Septimus ended up with whispers on Lilflower. One could simply be lying to help scumbuddy EPISKI out by adding a bit more confusion. FYI I trust Suburban because I have seen him track who he said he tracked, and the scum tracker I believe is dead. JD - every night I have received a result which is consitent with a town watcher. On two nights I was also sent a role PM , with my name at the beginning. One night I was told I was the apothecary which was a town role with certain powers. then I was told I was the town efficiency expert with certain powers. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5258 "2011-09-12T17:57:29Z")
On Night 5, I got a PM stating that I was a Town Tracker – unlikely since I’ve never gotten a Tracking result. > [@J.D](#): > > I am a psychiatrist, i pick a person, and they get their role in a PM overnight. > > i targeted: > > astral rejection > special ed (rand before I subbed) > Idle Thoughts (rand I forgot) > myself > suburban plankton > Precambrianmollusc (I assume Night-0 is omitted from this list.) But only you and Ed report receiving these correct PMs, right? My PM was the right Night (N5) and matches your target, but was sent to the wrong person. But the other wrong PM’s didn’t matched your target’s role. Thus, that I got a Tracker PM when you targeted the real Tracker might just be coincidence. BTW, by this time Scum has probably identified our Doctor by elimination. Would it be best for Doctor to out herself and let Ed give her a double Doctoring power for Night 8? ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5259 "2011-09-12T18:03:04Z")
Septimus who did you target N5? ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5260 "2011-09-12T18:07:49Z")
Septimus, I may be confused here. Every night except the night I targeted myself I got “no apparent result” I targeted myself and got what I believe is my full role. Others I targeted have confirmed they received a role PM for themselves. I do not get any info, it goes to my target. ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5261 "2011-09-12T18:09:50Z")
oh shit. ignore everything I just said about precam. I have reason to believe I was either a) roleblocked, or b) the poison makes it unable to execute my night action. WTF. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=262) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=264)