# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 265
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5282 "2011-09-13T14:16:47Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > What is bugging me is that as far as I know - both Scuba and Episky tell their target about the alignment (correctly or otherwise) of another random target. If there is some evidence that either player gets to chose who the target of the alignment reveal/lie is I may have missed it. Scuba’s reveal said it was in fact random. Episkey could be different, but at this point there’s no reason to expect that he would be. > [@](#): > > If I am correct in the assumption that the peek is on a random target then I find the fact that Lilflower was the target of two random peeks to be horribly convenient. If it isn’t chance then either Septimus or Jan are lying about receiving a peek on Lilflower to cover for Episky. Obviously that would be the second person to reveal that they received a whisper/peek on Lilflower. I can;t search back but I think it was Septimus. What’s bugging me isn’t so much the coincidence itself as why run the risk. However it happened, Episkey went two nights in a row without anyone but himself reporting his results. Now someone else does: either Silver Jan or Septimus. A scum Episkey would have to guess he is insane (not paranoid), by analogy with Scuba Ben. He can control only who receives the results he sends, not whose alignment is reported. Why on earth does he target a townie, when the result sent could very well be “Scum teammate X is a villager”? It would verge on suicidal. Whatever the verdict on lilflower (and I still think it could go either way?), Septimus and Silver Jan need scutiny tomorrow/overnight. > [@](#): > > Given we had a town follower and a scum follower, Septimus is very similar in role to peeker which doesn’t play well for Septimus based on some random theory about scum/town symmetry. Yes I am aware there has, as yet, not been a scum watcher found. Meh. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect perfect symmetry in roles; it would be poor game design. I do expect a scum roleblocker, probably some variety of scum redirector, and I don’t know what else after that. > [@](#): > > Has SJ been semi cleared as town yet. The only reasons I can think that SJ is possibly town is that she was a target on N1 when both we and scum were not sure of our powers. So that gives SJ (in my view for what that is worth) a slight town lean as I think it less likely that scum would have targeted town N1. Targeted by whom? I don’t remember. That aside, there was her claimed block of Episkey a couple of nights back (on a night Scuba Ben was also roleblocked). I don’t think that’s definitive, though. I also think scathach and Giraffe need another look. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5283 "2011-09-13T14:40:06Z")
> [@J.D](#): > > IMO scum would not target themselves if they dont know their powers. Wouldnt want to vig a fellow teammate… > > Yes, I am saying I got blocked. > > I have been uber-lazy this game, but need to take a look at who targetted me. > > Def do not like D4’s vote with no substance. yes - i should have left the word "less out "as I think it likely that scum would have targeted town N1. SJ recieved the false read on gnarly charlie on n1 which is why I think it more likely SJ is town than Septimus. Probably need to go back and see who has claimed/whispered what about the two of them (Septimus and SJ) Both reads on Lilflower wouldn’t be the first coincidence in this game - I was very suspicious of the Gnarly charlie/texcat mason cliam - whats the chance of two masons who dont knwo they are masons finding each other night one. Apprently very high as it happened. Scathatch and Girafe have both made soft claims about being the apothecary from memory - Scathatch back on D3 when I revealed I had been told the apothecary role PM, and I think griaffe indicated he thought he might be back on D5. that is from memory - known to be faulty. I agree that a perfect role symetry is unlikey, but certainly possible to an extent. My theory of one of SJ or Septimus lying would require that Scubabens gossip did not go through due to being dead. which we wont ever know (unless soemone else happened to recieve it but hasn’t told us yet) JD for the D4 vote - are you concerned about D4 votes on you or the whole d4 vote in general (which was Idle after he screwed up his role claim PM and left the win condition as scum win condition)? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5284 "2011-09-13T15:52:16Z")
RL has kept me a bit quiet this Day. I had hopes that more would be accomplished. Since I’ve voted him for the past 2 Days I guess my vote will go to \*\* vote Episkey \*\* ToDay’s voting record will not contain much enlightenment. Hopefully the end of this Day will allow us to start hunting again. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5285 "2011-09-13T17:07:07Z")
Just a silly question, when does Day end? Nothing seems to be happening at the moment and Day seems to be dragging. I want to do more scum hunting and I would love what Episkeys death will tell us. I am still not sure that he is scum but I want to know either way. I feel his death could tell us quite a lot. Oh, by the way, I was semi cleared by\*\* Scuba\*\* so I will be looking very closely at those that say I am lying. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5286 "2011-09-13T17:09:35Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Just a silly question, when does Day end? Not a silly question at all. **DAY ENDS IN FOUR HOURS.** If anyone needs a votecount, I can provide one, although I think you folks only have one wagon at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5287 "2011-09-13T17:26:01Z")
Thanks \*\*Gad \*\*🙂 I think a vote count would just be interesting if not everyone is voting for\*\* Episkey\*\*. Other than that, no need. I want to stay awake for EOD but… I do have a wine glass in front of me and… ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5288 "2011-09-13T17:30:34Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > JD for the D4 vote - are you concerned about D4 votes on you or the whole d4 vote in general (which was Idle after he screwed up his role claim PM and left the win condition as scum win condition)? by D4 I mean donkx4, the player. popped in voted..and nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5289 "2011-09-13T17:39:49Z")
J.D gotcha, it was odd but Donk has been quite. SJ - when were you semi cleared by Scuba and what wine are you drinking? May as well open the night time bar early, eihter comiserations for a misslynch or a woohoo another dead scum. I kind of over did the sake last night so make mine a Vodka cranberry. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5290 "2011-09-13T17:51:51Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > J.D gotcha, it was odd but Donk has been quite. > > SJ - when were you semi cleared by Scuba and what wine are you drinking? > > May as well open the night time bar early, eihter comiserations for a misslynch or a woohoo another dead scum. I kind of over did the sake last night so make mine a Vodka cranberry. **Scuba** heard a whisper that I was a Villager and I am drinking Autumn Harvest Sparkling Wine :). Have a look at the list by\*\* Lilflower\*\* on page 102. That’s why I said semi cleared cos it looks as if the message came from Drain Bead. I am really lost at the moment and I think we might be doing a mislynch, I really hope **Episkey** IS scum or else I am going to feel very guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5291 "2011-09-13T18:48:02Z")
Hello from Switzerland! Not much to add, I agree with the vote on Episkey, followed by action on lilflower depending how he flips. **Vote Episkey** ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5292 "2011-09-13T19:13:40Z")
I have faith that Episkey will reveal Scum as he has always been active every day…except this day. Reducing anti-spew FTW. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5293 "2011-09-13T19:36:03Z")
> [@J.D](#): > > I have faith that Episkey will reveal Scum as he has always been active every day…except this day. Reducing anti-spew FTW. I hope so 🙂 If I was scum I would be bouncing up and down and saying I am innocent. Episkey isn’t doing anything, I think he has given up cos he is really a Villager. If he flips Town, we will learn a lot from him though. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5294 "2011-09-13T19:47:02Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I hope so 🙂 If I was scum I would be bouncing up and down and saying I am innocent. Episkey isn’t doing anything, I think he has given up cos he is really a Villager. If he flips Town, we will learn a lot from him though. I think he gave up. He’s been screaming about his innocence for two or three Days now. What is important, I think, is his role more than his alignment. Even if he is town, he could have a role that is sending out false scum messages. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5295 "2011-09-13T19:59:14Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I think he gave up. He’s been screaming about his innocence for two or three Days now. What is important, I think, is his role more than his alignment. Even if he is town, he could have a role that is sending out false scum messages. I will still feel bad though, he’s said his role was awful, and if he does flip Town you will be first on my list of scum 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5296 "2011-09-13T20:01:19Z")
**IT IS NIGHT.** No more voting and stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5297 "2011-09-13T20:07:04Z")
ok, and stuff ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5298 "2011-09-13T20:07:52Z")
**FINAL DAY SEVEN VOTE COUNT** Episkey (12): J.D. [5157], Drain Bead [5158], Scathach [5178], [de]lSilver Jan [5182][/del], lilflower [5187], [del]septimus [5196][/del], Suburban Plankton [5239], Silver Jan [5245], septimus [5250], Normal Phase [5270], DonkTimesFour [5272], Precambrianmollusc [5275], LightFoot [5283], Giraffe [5290] lilflower (1): Episkey [5224], [del]Silver Jan [5227][/del], [del]septimus [5232][/del] No need to PM me corrections, I don’t think, since I just checked it and it looks right. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5299 "2011-09-13T20:10:07Z")
**DAY SEVEN LYNCH RESULTS** Episkey has been lynched. Episkey, you are a **Rumormonger**. Each night beginning Night One, you disclose the incorrect alignment of a random living player to your target. You are a **Wolf**. You win by achieving parity with the village and eliminating any other threats. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5300 "2011-09-13T20:11:11Z")
**MODERATOR NOTE** Please submit targets for your night actions to me by 2 pm EDT tomorrow. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5301 "2011-09-13T20:11:33Z")
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