# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 267
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5322 "2011-09-14T21:03:46Z")
So are Ed and Jan our only confirmed Town left alive at this point? My guess is lilflower is Town as well. Ben would have aimed at someone who he believed to be Town, to make sure that the message didn’t get withheld or lied about. He had investigated Jan, so he would have targeted her, and Episkey targeted Septimus. It was Septimus’ post in which he tried to argue that Ben targeted him and thus lilflower was Scum that had me thinking he was potentially Scum and worth targeting last Night. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5323 "2011-09-14T21:05:19Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Drain bead what do you think you power would have done to scathatch? You are reflector right? Would have forced her to target herself instead of JD. It was either her or…Giraffe? who are our presumptive Apothecaries. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5324 "2011-09-14T21:07:17Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > So are Ed and Jan our only confirmed Town left alive at this point? > > My guess is lilflower is Town as well. Ben would have aimed at someone who he believed to be Town, to make sure that the message didn’t get withheld or lied about. He had investigated Jan, so he would have targeted her, and Episkey targeted Septimus. > > It was Septimus’ post in which he tried to argue that Ben targeted him and thus lilflower was Scum that had me thinking he was potentially Scum and worth targeting last Night. I’m not sure that I’m confirmed Town. I don’t think I’ve been investigated by anyone. We should be pretty solid that my power is my power. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5325 "2011-09-14T21:18:50Z")
So we have three Scum left out of our 13 remaining players. As far as I know, all our investigative roles are dead. Two confirmed Town, and one mostly-confirmed (Giraffe, who I doubt Blaster Master would have targeted N1 if Scum). So that leaves us with three Scum in 10 or 11 players, which is doable. So how do we narrow this down? Is lynch-the-lurker a valid strategy at this point? Do we lynch those who refuse to be forthcoming about their targets now? Where do we go from here? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5326 "2011-09-14T21:20:06Z")
Ed, I got a message from Ben that you are Town a couple of Nights ago. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5327 "2011-09-14T21:24:33Z")
I’m happy to claim if you all think it will help. Frankly, I don’t know if what I know is all that helpful but I will say that I have pretty much figured out what my role is. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5328 "2011-09-14T21:35:32Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Ed, I got a message from Ben that you are Town a couple of Nights ago. Oh, I had forgotten about that. Guess I’ll be dying soon then, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5329 "2011-09-14T21:41:42Z")
\*\*Scuba\_Ben \*\*targeted \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*on Night 1, but since **Drain Bead** targeted Ben, his power was reflected to himself. He was told that **Silver Jan** is Town. Ben targeted Drain on Night 4. She was told that **special ed** was Town. **Idle Thoughts** was told on Night 2 that Drain was a Reflector and a Villager (if he was being truthful). The Reflector part certainly appears to be true, but have we ever been able to confirm the Villager aspect? Idle also claimed to have been told on Night 2 that \*\*NAF1138 \*\*was a Villager and a Mimic, which was true. That result he claimed was due to his Detective ability, but the Drain Bead result he claimed was not. Has anyone figured out how that message (Drain is Town) might have gotten to Idle? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5330 "2011-09-14T21:50:17Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > \*\*Scuba\_Ben \*\*targeted \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*on Night 1, but since **Drain Bead** targeted Ben, his power was reflected to himself. He was told that **Silver Jan** is Town. > > Ben targeted Drain on Night 4. She was told that **special ed** was Town. > > **Idle Thoughts** was told on Night 2 that Drain was a Reflector and a Villager (if he was being truthful). The Reflector part certainly appears to be true, but have we ever been able to confirm the Villager aspect? > > Idle also claimed to have been told on Night 2 that \*\*NAF1138 \*\*was a Villager and a Mimic, which was true. That result he claimed was due to his Detective ability, but the Drain Bead result he claimed was not. Has anyone figured out how that message (Drain is Town) might have gotten to Idle? I believe JD claimed that he targeted Idle on Night 3 so couldn’t the PM have come from JD? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5331 "2011-09-14T22:02:38Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I believe JD claimed that he targeted Idle on Night 3 so couldn’t the PM have come from JD? Idle claimed the message about Drain Bead on Night 2. On Night 3, Idle and J.D. both targeted Idle, and Idle claimed to have received 2 messages with his role information, which would be consistent. So far, everything Idle told us before he was outed seems to be true, with the possible exception of Drain Bead’s alignment. He targeted NAF on Night 1 and received his correct role information. He was blocked on Night 2, when he was targeted by Normal Phase (who did receive a PM stating she was a Roleblocker, though this is not confirmed), and by Silver Jan. He targeted himself on Night 3, and J.D. targeted him, leading to two messages with his own role info. The only thing out of place is where the Drain Bead information came from. If he was in fact blocked, then someone else must have sent him the message, but I can’t figure out where it might have come from. If he was not blocked, then the only reasonable conclusion is that he investigated Drain Bead and lied about it for some reason, which implies that drain is Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5332 "2011-09-14T22:05:11Z")
Regarding **lilflower’s** alignment: \*\*Episkey \*\*said he targeted **Silver Jan** Night before last. Jan says she received a message stating that lilflower is Town. \*\*septimus \*\*said he received a message saying lilflower is Scum. We know Episkey was Scum, and he must have been aware of his ability. So if lilflower was Scum, he knowingly targeted a mostly-confirmed Townie to basically tell her “lilflower is my Scum-buddy”. I have a hard time believing that. So either lilflower is not Scum, or Episkey did not target Silver Jan (or both). If lilflower is Town, then Jan’s message is true, so it apparently came from **Scuba\_Ben**. this would imply that septimus was Episkey’s target, and his message that lilflower is Scum is consitent. It also makes sense that Episkey would have lied and claimedJan as his target, because if we believed him that would logically have led us to lynch lilflower. Episkey would have died Today in any case, but that’s neither here nor there. I’m putting \*\*lilflower \*\*in the ‘likely Town’ column. > [@lilflower](#): > > I’m happy to claim if you all think it will help. Frankly, I don’t know if what I know is all that helpful but I will say that I have pretty much figured out what my role is. I think any additional information would be beneficial to Town at this point. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5333 "2011-09-14T22:15:51Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Regarding **lilflower’s** alignment: > > \*\*Episkey \*\*said he targeted **Silver Jan** Night before last. Jan says she received a message stating that lilflower is Town. > > \*\*septimus \*\*said he received a message saying lilflower is Scum. > > We know Episkey was Scum, and he must have been aware of his ability. So if lilflower was Scum, he knowingly targeted a mostly-confirmed Townie to basically tell her “lilflower is my Scum-buddy”. I have a hard time believing that. > > So either lilflower is not Scum, or Episkey did not target Silver Jan (or both). > > If lilflower is Town, then Jan’s message is true, so it apparently came from **Scuba\_Ben**. this would imply that septimus was Episkey’s target, and his message that lilflower is Scum is consitent. It also makes sense that Episkey would have lied and claimedJan as his target, because if we believed him that would logically have led us to lynch lilflower. Episkey would have died Today in any case, but that’s neither here nor there. > > I’m putting \*\*lilflower \*\*in the ‘likely Town’ column. > I think any additional information would be beneficial to Town at this point. Claim is on the way but I did want to respond to this issue of two messages about me last Night. Doesn’t that seem like a humongous coincidence? According to the role PM’s for both Scuba Ben and Episkey, they send the alignment of a random player to their target. What are the chances that I ended up as the random player for both of them? I’m very suspicious of septimus claiming that he got that message from me but it’s pure conjecture at this point. Episkey clearly lied about targeting Jan. But maybe Episkey was actually blocked and never sent a message at all. I cannot figure out who the roleblocker is so it’s possible that that person targeted Episkey Night 6 (and maybe didn’t bother to claim it because he/she saw that Episkey was going to be lynched anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5334 "2011-09-14T23:07:08Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Idle claimed the message about Drain Bead on Night 2 Wait, I saw this from someone yesterday too and didn’t get a chance to comment, but I thought his initial claim was that he was roleblocked on night two. Where is “Drain on night two” coming from? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5335 "2011-09-14T23:10:58Z")
As for the over-arching issue, I think some vote records might be pretty useful right about now. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5336 "2011-09-14T23:20:12Z")
I was working on similar logici to suburban -yep lilflower for now gets a pass Still struggling with septimus claim to have random result on lilflower as well. my clear / scum list, obviously all IMHO town lil flower Special Ed has claimed town efficiency expert, I recieved the role PM (with my name) and alignment was town - so he is good Suburban I think is pretty much cleared - I have seen him visit who he said he did, plus the scum follower is dead so he is cleared Scathatch - probably the apothecary- again town role based on the wonky role PM I receievd SilverJan - most likley town - cleared by Scuba right and targeted by scum N1 Bufftaby - seams to have a protection role and she tageted known town(NAf) with what seams like good intentions Not sure about drain bead - did she get cleared by any one onto my likely scum list giraffe - I am pretty certain he soft claimed apothecary - pretty safe scum claim Lighter feet - because along with Drain bead I saw her/him visit Scathatch last night- so likely cause of the block on scathatch Septimus - still not sure - the dual lilflowe rreads - sorry to bang on about that Donkx4 - no idea normal phase - no idea So \*\*vote Lighterfeet \*\* FYI my logic for watching scathatch was I beleived him to be the apothecary so figured he would be a scum kill/block target in order to have JD die. I knew I couldnt see a kill (i watched Zerial the night he died and did not see anyone but NAF visit - so the scum kill is collective - no assigned killer) and I banked on scum killing naf and blocking scathatch ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5337 "2011-09-14T23:27:57Z")
As I said before, short of actually receiving a role PM, I’m 99% sure that I am the doctor. Night 0: targeted Silver Jan Night 1: targeted gnarlycharlie who reported feeling safe Night 2: targeted Giraffe but I was blocked Night 3: targeted myself and got a message that I felt safe Night 4: targeted Drain Bead and Suburban Plankton who both reported feeling safe Night 5: targeted Scuba Ben who reported being blocked but didn’t say anything about feeling safe Night 6: targeted Special Ed who hasn’t said anything about feeling safe on Night 6 Night 7: targeted NAF and he was clearly the right choice but I was blocked! I’m thinking there are two roleblockers out there and it stands to reason that one is town and one is scum. I was going to hold off on claiming to see who might have claimed to target me last Night but I think even a town roleblocker would have targeted me last Night if for any reason they thought Episkey might have been telling the truth (although I don’t know why anyone would believe what a scum says). It’s also possible that sepitmus is correct in his conclusion from yesterDay that the scum probably figured out I was the doctor. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5338 "2011-09-14T23:30:14Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > I was working on similar logici to suburban -yep lilflower for now gets a pass > Still struggling with septimus claim to have random result on lilflower as well. > > my clear / scum list, obviously all IMHO > > town > > lil flower > > Special Ed has claimed town efficiency expert, I recieved the role PM (with my name) and alignment was town - so he is good > > Suburban I think is pretty much cleared - I have seen him visit who he said he did, plus the scum follower is dead so he is cleared > > Scathatch - probably the apothecary- again town role based on the wonky role PM I receievd > > SilverJan - most likley town - cleared by Scuba right and targeted by scum N1 > > Bufftaby - seams to have a protection role and she tageted known town(NAf) with what seams like good intentions > > Not sure about drain bead - did she get cleared by any one > > onto my likely scum list > > giraffe - I am pretty certain he soft claimed apothecary - pretty safe scum claim > > Lighter feet - because along with Drain bead I saw her/him visit Scathatch last night- so likely cause of the block on scathatch > > Septimus - still not sure - the dual lilflowe rreads - sorry to bang on about that > > Donkx4 - no idea > > normal phase - no idea > > So > \*\*vote Lighterfeet \*\* > FYI my logic for watching scathatch was I beleived him to be the apothecary so figured he would be a scum kill/block target in order to have JD die. I knew I couldnt see a kill (i watched Zerial the night he died and did not see anyone but NAF visit - so the scum kill is collective - no assigned killer) and I banked on scum killing naf and blocking scathatch Interesting. I did notice in my list of claims that Lightfoot II did not ever give us his list of targets, just that he got no result. But I think no result would be consistent with a roleblocker role and maybe he just didn’t want to tell us his targets because he was blocking town. I’m also thinking that we might have a scum among Giraffe and Donkx4. They have been way too quiet in this game. **vote Lightfoot II** ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5339 "2011-09-15T00:12:19Z")
NETA: It makes sense that Lightfoot II is a roleblocker but really as town should not have any reason to block Scathach from curing JD. ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5340 "2011-09-15T00:18:58Z")
**dead** thanks for the game guys, I had fun. **dead** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5341 "2011-09-15T00:45:53Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > > Idle claimed the message about Drain Bead on Night 2 > > Wait, I saw this from someone yesterday too and didn’t get a chance to comment, but I thought his initial claim was that he was roleblocked on night two. Where is “Drain on night two” coming from? Post 3721 (early on Day 4) > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I have yet to catch up toDay. I just got on and, in checking my messages, found a bevy of results. > > Okay, so, wealth of information coming. > > First off: I have good reason to think I’m a detective. > > **On Night 0 I targeted Suburban Plankton** (I used [random.org](http://random.org)). I got nothing…not no apparent result, not any PM back at all. > > **On Night 1, I targeted NAF** , mostly because he had a little heat on him Day one and I also know he’s a good, strong player…good if he’s Town but bad if he’s a wolf. I was hoping for some info on him either way. > > Morning came, and I actually got TWO messages, only one of which I relayed to everyone in here. The first thing I saw was that my action yielded no apparent result. The second message, however (the one you all already know), was a message that said **dancecat** was a Villager (which we now know came from Dancecat, herself, targeting me). > > The FIRST message–that I’m finally revealing since I think it’s a good time to start to try to figure out what we all are–said that **NAF1138 is a Mimic**. That each night beginning Night Zero, he selects a target. He then will emulate his target’s night action the following night. > Also: Apparently NAF is a Villager and he wins when all threats to Town Village have been eliminated. > > Well, suffice to say, I was pretty happy because I figured I was the detective (the being the key word here; it didn’t occur to me, at the time, that there could be multiples). > > I also notice that NAF’s message read that his action starts on NIGHT 0…so he’s the one action that went through, I’m guessing. > **Night 2, I targeted Silver Jan** , for thinking she was the most suspicious of the huge kerfuffle on Day 2. > > Morning came, and I got TWO results (only one of which I relayed): One, that I was blocked (this is the one I told everyone)…but I had another from someone else, apparently… **The other informed me that, apparently, Drain Bead is a reflector, and a Villager.** > What she does is selects a target each night. Her target’s night action for that night will be redirected back to her target. And she wins when all the threats to Town have been eliminated. > > The info on **Drain Bead** , I assume, came from someone else. > Last Night, **I targeted MYSELF** , after all the discussion about insane cops and paranoid cops and the like. I wanted to see if I would get anything from it and if it would be a true answer. > > This morning I wake up to find a bevy of information: > > First off, I got the message (in regards to my OWN NIGHT ACTION) that\*\* I’m a Detective\*\* and that each night beginning Night One, you investigate a target to learn their full role and that I’m a villager (but I knew that last part already, of course). And I win by achieving parity with the village and eliminating any other threats. > > The second message I got was very stranger and almost eerie. It was one of those messages from someone else (not having anything to do with my own Night action) and it said the EXACT SAME THING as my message did. Basically **that I’m a Detective** and that each night beginning Night One, you investigate a target to learn their full role and that I’m a villager. And I win by achieving parity with the village and eliminating any other threats. > > ## THE THIRD (yes, three) message I got was that **I feel healthy**. > > Why I got the info on me twice, I don’t know. This makes me think that either someone else targeted me (other than myself) or that my own result was reflected back onto me somehow. > > Anyway, that’s all of what I know now (from the start of the game). Sorry to those who think that it might have been better to sit on it even longer, but at this point…with bloodshed all around, each Night…I’m getting increasingly worried about having the chance to reveal what I had. Most who know me know that I usually claim ON DAY ONE, actually…so this time I actually tried to show some restraint. : p > > And now to go catch up. \*\*Idle \*\*had previously told us he was blocked on Night 2, and had later added that his intended target had been **Silver Jan**. It’s in this post, made a Day later, that he adds in that he received a message with **Drain Bead’s** role info. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=266) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=268)