# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 269
**Author:** ![DonkTimesFour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ea924/32.png) [@DonkTimesFour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonkTimesFour)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5362 "2011-09-15T12:00:38Z")
I am a villager and if anyone wants me to ask me anything then fire away. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5363 "2011-09-15T12:32:01Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Silver Jan is confirmed Town and likely a roleblocker, right? Lilflower and Scathach are both reporting being blocked. If Jan is our Town roleblocker, that means that LighterFeet is the Scum blocker. To put emphasis on this…have any of my targets gotten a PM that they were blocked that Night? Scathach, did YOU get a PM that you were blocked? It couldn’t have been me, so if Scat got that in a PM, it had to have been LighterFeet. And since Jan blocked lilflower and is Town, we’ve likely caught the Scum blocker. If we get this right toDay, we get rid of what might be the most valuable remaining Scum role! ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5364 "2011-09-15T13:28:05Z")
Yeah, my pm indicated that I was stopped from using my action. Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5365 "2011-09-15T13:35:39Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > We know septimus is an attractor (i targeted someone one night and ended up watching Septimus) > > We don’t know his alignment > > If scum figured you were doctor - Septimus could have targeted you to draw your protection away from town. > Did you ever get any indication on success of your targeting or did you just have to see who reported feeling safe? Without breaking the “no quoting PM” rule obviously. > > Sticking with lighterfeeet for now unless he has some really convincing explanation for visiting Scathatch I only ever received the response that my action had no apparent result. So I was going by what my targets claimed and by what I got in a PM when I targeted myself. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5366 "2011-09-15T13:43:51Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Silver Jan is confirmed Town and likely a roleblocker, right? Lilflower and Scathach are both reporting being blocked. If Jan is our Town roleblocker, that means that LighterFeet is the Scum blocker. I agree. Episkey, although a scum who lied, claimed he was blocked on Night 5 so given Jan’s reveal, that could be true (especially since no one reported getting a scum message that Night). ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5367 "2011-09-15T13:45:03Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Yeah, my pm indicated that I was stopped from using my action. Mine, too. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5368 "2011-09-15T14:23:21Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Silver Jan is confirmed Town and likely a roleblocker, right? Lilflower and Scathach are both reporting being blocked. If Jan is our Town roleblocker, that means that LighterFeet is the Scum blocker. The only problem with this theory is Night 1. **Jan** says she targeted **Ed** , but Ed was apparently successful that Night, as he targeted **Scuba\_Ben** whose power was doubled for the following Night. Is Jan is a Roleblocker, then she herself must have been blocked or redirected that Night. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5369 "2011-09-15T14:35:25Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The only problem with this theory is Night 1. **Jan** says she targeted **Ed** , but Ed was apparently successful that Night, as he targeted **Scuba\_Ben** whose power was doubled for the following Night. Is Jan is a Roleblocker, then she herself must have been blocked or redirected that Night. We don’t know who peeker targeted Night 1 so there is a slim chance that he targeted Jan thus redirecting her onto himself. Looking back at Jan’s other claimed targets, on Night 2, she claimed to have targeted Lightfoot I but he did not claim to be blocked. Otherwise, everyone she targeted has claimed to have been blocked. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5370 "2011-09-15T14:44:10Z")
There seems to be a presumption that \*\*Scathach \*\*is the Apothecary. Why exactly is this? From my notes, Scathach has given us the following information: Targeted **DanceCat Night 1 (no apparent result) Targeted special ed** Night 2, (no apparent result) Targeted\*\* Drain Bead \*\*Night 4 (Drain was cued of poison) Targeted **J.D.** Night 7, but was blocked (J.D. died from poison) Other than the fact that Scathach says he targeted Drain on the Night she was cured, is there any direct evidence supporting the fact that he is the Apothecary? \*\*Giraffe \*\*also claims to have targeted Drain that same Night. Of course, Giraffe also targeted himself on Night 3, and was apparently told that he “seemed to be headed in the right direction”, which doesn’t seem consistent with being the Apothecary. On that note, **Giraffe** , do you have any more clue now as to your role? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5371 "2011-09-15T14:50:19Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The only problem with this theory is Night 1. **Jan** says she targeted **Ed** , but Ed was apparently successful that Night, as he targeted **Scuba\_Ben** whose power was doubled for the following Night. Is Jan is a Roleblocker, then she herself must have been blocked or redirected that Night. But NAF1138 also targeted Ed Night 1 and (since NAF1138 targeted Peekercpa on Night 0) acted as Lightning Rod, diverting Jan’s block to himself. (NAF1138 reported “protected” rather than “blocked” that Night – perhaps he was also targeted by Sangaman the Wolf Doctor.) Remaining Wolves probably include an imposter (Drain Bead or Scathach?) and at least one of the two players reluctant to reveal targets. I prefer **Vote: DonkTimesFour** … but will happily switch to LighterFeet if that’s the way the wagon bands. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5372 "2011-09-15T15:05:31Z")
Hi again from Switzerland. I haven’t had much time to spend online, in part because the Alps are frickin’ gorgeous. So we spend all our time hiking, eating, and drinking instead of Internetting. All in all, not a bad way to spend one’s time. So I wasn’t able to submit a target last Night, getting randed to lilflower instead. Someone said J.D. was confirmed Town, can anyone point me to where / summarize why? He was giving me a scummy vibe, so I can’t say I’d have saved him even if I’d been online (and assuming I’m the apothecary, which I may not be) but it would be nice to see the case. I’ll try to quickly catch up, but I was pleased to see Episkey was sending out false messages instead of paranoid or naive ones. Knowing this, can we deduce another Wolf? We know a lot about the other message sending roles, so an “X is Town” message may have only an “X is scum” explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5373 "2011-09-15T15:07:36Z")
P.S. Still no idea what my role is. Targeted myself the Night before last to see if I got the message about being on the right track again, but nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5374 "2011-09-15T15:50:35Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Clearly Idle somehow got results on me, but it doesn’t follow that since he said he was blocked, he must have been lying about my results. It’s more likely (and I know his results are right, but the rest of you don’t) seeing as he was lying Scum, that he was lying about being blocked. He’s Scum. He lies. He was making a gambit to try to get Town cred, and it almost worked–I think both NAF and I would have gone for it, seeing as he gave us info on our roles that he didn’t have to give. But Silver Jan targeted him, who does seem to be a roleblocker (and town). Something doesn’t fit, even if I’m not sure it’s you. > [@](#): > > Any look at my vote record and transparency should show that I’m Town. I voted late on BlaM, dogged Episkey for DAYS before he finally went down, and back when good cases were necessary (remember that? Seems like ages ago) I made several. Some were wrong, but many were right. Your town cred for me doesn’t come from your votes on scum (seriously, Drain? You’re an consummate busser) but from your reaction to Blaster’s lynch. It was an emotional reaction and looked genuine. > [@](#): > > My mistake last Night was due to my forgetting I had two targets until later. I was rushing to try to get it in so I didn’t get randed and just screwed it up completely. > > There is NO pro-Town reason for a role blocker to have targeted Scathach last Night. I’m pretty sure two people didn’t screw that up so royally. You know one of us is Scum…is it the one who owned up to what was done immediately, or the one who kept it secret until the watcher came out? Okay, first. Two people DID screw up that royally, if you can be believed, Silver Jan being the other and roleblocking lilflower. Given that, three is not out of the question on its face. The issue is not that, but the claim of roleblocking, which you can’t have done yourself, coupled with PCM saying Lightfoot was there. That pretty much makes her the roleblocker, and the town version of that role would already seem to be filled. So that much is uninteresting. After that, or if that is wrong – Donk and Giraffe (only other two not to have revealed targets I think) would be easy but also uninteresting. So I kinda hope it’s not the case and at least one of you role-knowing type of people is lying out the wazoo somewhere. More fun that way. **vote: Lightfoot** ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5375 "2011-09-15T16:18:14Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Hi again from Switzerland. I haven’t had much time to spend online, in part because the Alps are frickin’ gorgeous. So we spend all our time hiking, eating, and drinking instead of Internetting. All in all, not a bad way to spend one’s time. > > So I wasn’t able to submit a target last Night, getting randed to lilflower instead. Someone said J.D. was confirmed Town, can anyone point me to where / summarize why? He was giving me a scummy vibe, so I can’t say I’d have saved him even if I’d been online (and assuming I’m the apothecary, which I may not be) but it would be nice to see the case. > > I’ll try to quickly catch up, but I was pleased to see Episkey was sending out false messages instead of paranoid or naive ones. Knowing this, can we deduce another Wolf? We know a lot about the other message sending roles, so an “X is Town” message may have only an “X is scum” explanation. NAF (as Zeriel) targeted JD on Night 6 and got a town result. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5376 "2011-09-15T17:05:54Z")
If giraffe really thinks he is an apothecary - why didnt I see him target JD - JD was confirmed town and Giraffe didnt help out - pretty much makes Giraffe scum in my book. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5377 "2011-09-15T17:19:45Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > If giraffe really thinks he is an apothecary - why didnt I see him target JD - JD was confirmed town and Giraffe didnt help out - pretty much makes Giraffe scum in my book. Well, he said he’s in Switzerland and didn’t get online in time to turn in a target, so he got randed. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5378 "2011-09-15T17:30:44Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Well, he said he’s in Switzerland and didn’t get online in time to turn in a target, so he got randed. Hmm . . . I seem to be a very popular “random” target. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5379 "2011-09-15T19:16:26Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > There seems to be a presumption that \*\*Scathach \*\*is the Apothecary. Why exactly is this? > > From my notes, Scathach has given us the following information: > > Targeted **DanceCat Night 1 (no apparent result) > Targeted special ed** Night 2, (no apparent result) > Targeted\*\* Drain Bead \*\*Night 4 (Drain was cued of poison) > Targeted **J.D.** Night 7, but was blocked (J.D. died from poison) > > Other than the fact that Scathach says he targeted Drain on the Night she was cured, is there any direct evidence supporting the fact that he is the Apothecary? I targeted special ed and Idle Thoughts and the next morning they “felt healthy.” (Also, I’m a she.) ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5380 "2011-09-15T19:26:31Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > I targeted special ed and Idle Thoughts and the next morning they “felt healthy.” When did you target Idle? And who did you target the other Nights? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5381 "2011-09-15T20:43:57Z")
I’ve been debating claiming this for a while, but at this point there’s probably enough information for scum to figure this out, but not for town. I am the apothecary. When AskThePizzaGuy died, I became the poisoner and the apothecary on alternate nights. I received a PM to this effect on that night. The new powers allow me to retract my use of poisoning the next night if I wish, rather than targeting the same person as such. So, I targeted DrainBead, because I’d been finding her scummy in a way I couldn’t really define. Then the next day, everyone seemed to take it as a given that she should be healed, so I figured my scumdar was just crap, and healed her. The next night, I was in a rush and couldn’t decide, so I targeted J.D. because a few people had been saying he was next on their scum list, and really I didn’t have any good reads myself. Next morning NAF confirmed JD as town, I tried to heal him last night and was blocked. So, yeah. Sorry about that ☹ Really the only thing I’ve managed to do so far is deliberately not heal Brewha. Anyway - pick a target for me to poison tonight and I will choose from the best case. The most likely probability is that I get blocked/killed tonight, but honestly, given my record, that might be best for town. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=268) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=270)