# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 278
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5542 "2011-09-19T22:35:49Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Is is possible buftabby’s warm glow redirects scum kills? Because I still don’t understand why scum targeted DrainBead. No. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5543 "2011-09-19T22:47:40Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Is is possible buftabby’s warm glow redirects scum kills? Because I still don’t understand why scum targeted DrainBead. How do you mean? > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Village. So if you’re on the level, there is a Village Roleblocker still kicking around somewhere. So, the people whose roles are still unknown are: DonkTimesFour Giraffe Normal Phase Normal has targeted: N1: Dancecat -may have targeted Idle, since Idle claimed to have received Dancecat’s alignment N2: Idle - claimed to have been blocked N3: crackedquds - appears to have been blocked, targeted lilflower with no result N4: lilflower, Scathach - lilflower targeted herself and felt safe, Scathach targeted Idle with no apparent result N5: PCM (redirected to self by Drain and to septimus by septimus) - no result N6: Giraffe - targeted self with no result N7: bufftabby - targeted LightFoot?, LightFoot claims to have felt a warm glow N8: unknown Giraffe has targeted: N1: peeker - targeted Mykbot with no apparent result N2: Pizza - poisoned brewha N3: special ed - targeted Drain, whose power was doubled the next Night N4: Giraffe - no apparent result, was told he was “headed in the right direction” N5: Drain - targeted Normal, with no apparent result N6: Giraffe - no result N7: lilflower - was blocked N8: septimus - no information Based on those results, it appears that neither Normal nor Giraffe are a Roleblocker. That leaves DonkTimesFour. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5544 "2011-09-19T22:51:30Z")
And I totally forgot about Silver Jan… ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5545 "2011-09-19T22:52:44Z")
Never mind…Silver Jan can’t be a Roleblocker either. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5546 "2011-09-19T23:01:00Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Is is possible buftabby’s warm glow redirects scum kills? Because I still don’t understand why scum targeted DrainBead. WAG would be that DB would be almost certainly be viewed as confirmed town , what with the other person targeting Scath being scum (lighterfeet). At this late stage of the game - confirmed town are dangerous to scum as so few people left, plus DB has the least dangerous role against scum (Ok matter of opinion) thus was least likely to be protected. All wild arse guess and kinda pointless really as we dont know what scum were thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5547 "2011-09-19T23:06:07Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Never mind…Silver Jan can’t be a Roleblocker either. Let me amend this statement. Silver Jan can’t be a Rroleblocker _ **based on the Night 1 results only** _. Every other Night, her actions are consistent with a Roleblocker ability. Jan’s targets: N1: Ed - targeted Scuba\_Ben, Ben’s power doubled on Night 2 N2: Idle - blocked N3: LightFoot - no result N4: Suburban - blocked N5: Episkey - blocked N6: Jan - no result N7: lilflower - blocked Is there any other way to explain Scuba\_Ben getting his power doubled on Night 2? ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5548 "2011-09-19T23:29:37Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Let me amend this statement. Silver Jan can’t be a Rroleblocker _ **based on the Night 1 results only** _. Every other Night, her actions are consistent with a Roleblocker ability. > > Jan’s targets: > > N1: Ed - targeted Scuba\_Ben, Ben’s power doubled on Night 2 > N2: Idle - blocked > N3: LightFoot - no result > N4: Suburban - blocked > N5: Episkey - blocked > N6: Jan - no result > N7: lilflower - blocked > > Is there any other way to explain Scuba\_Ben getting his power doubled on Night 2? Is it possible Jan got blocked or redirecteed to someone who hasnt said so, so Ed didnt get blocked? although did SJ say if she recieved notification of being blocked or has ever recieved any indication of her power having an effect ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5549 "2011-09-20T04:50:04Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Is it possible Jan got blocked or redirecteed to someone who hasnt said so, so Ed didnt get blocked? > > although did SJ say if she recieved notification of being blocked or has ever recieved any indication of her power having an effect Every Night I have just been told that my action had no apparent result, even when I targeted myself. Last Night I targeted\*\* Donk\*\* and I was waiting to see if he said he’d been roleblocked before I said anything. The thing is though, I could wait all Day cos we haven’t heard from him and I’d rather the result (or lack of one)was out there. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5550 "2011-09-20T06:24:49Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Jan’s targets: > N1: Ed - targeted Scuba\_Ben, Ben’s power doubled on Night 2 > Is there any other way to explain Scuba\_Ben getting his power doubled on Night 2? If sangaman, the Wolf Doctor, targeted Ed on Night 1, would that have prevented the role-blocking? But be aware that I’ve already postulated sangaman targeting NAF1138 on Night 1 to solve a different quandary. (#5370) ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5551 "2011-09-20T14:13:25Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > If sangaman, the Wolf Doctor, targeted Ed on Night 1, would that have prevented the role-blocking? > > But be aware that I’ve already postulated sangaman targeting NAF1138 on Night 1 to solve a different quandary. (#5370) There’s nothing in the role description to suggest that \*\*sangaman \*\*blocked his targets. The only way I can see this working is if **Mykbot/DuckburgDK/LightFoot 2.0** blocked **Silver Jan** that Night. They said they blocked \*\*Weedy \*\*that Night. Weedy was a Mystic, and his partner ( **Astral Rejection** ) never reported any findings, so it’s possible he was blocked…though I don’t know what motivation there would have been for anyone to lie about their target at that point, especially when there was no visible effect. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5552 "2011-09-20T15:12:41Z")
Do we know how many mystics there were supposed to be and how many masons? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5553 "2011-09-20T15:57:43Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Do we know how many mystics there were supposed to be and how many masons? We know of two Mystics: **Astral Rejection** and\*\* Hirka T’Bawa/Weedy\*\*. Their role description says “Each night beginning Night One, you select a target.\*\*\* One of your fellow Mystics\*\*\* will learn your target’s full role, while you will learn the full role of a player targeted by one of your fellow Mystics.” This does not rule out additional Mystics. I had actually misremembered the description, thinking it implied only two Mystics; the possibility of three (or more) does add to the realm of possible explanations for current results, or lack thereof. As for the Masons, they seem to have been paired. We had \*\*Texcat \*\*and **gnarlycharlie** , who gained Vig powers once they found each other. We also had **LightFoot I** , who gained Doc powers if she found her partner, which she never did. All of the Mason roles said “Each night beginning Night One, you search for _ **your fellow mason** _”, which would indicate they were paired up. So we definitely have another Town Mason out there, who would appear to be powerless. We \*may \*have another Town Mystic, who I would guess is also powerless if he exists. According to **Normal Phase** we have a Town RoleBlocker. From the information we got from **sangaman** , we should have two Wolves. The current claimed roles are: bufftabby - ‘warm glow giver’ lilflower - Doc PCM - Watcher Scathach - Apothecary/Poisoner septimus - ‘self-redirector’ Ed - efficiency Expert (confirmed Town by Scuba\_Ben) Suburban - Tracker DonkTimesFour - None Giraffe - None Normal - None Silver Jan - None (confirmed town by Scuba\_Ben) ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5554 "2011-09-20T16:08:20Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > But be aware that I’ve already postulated sangaman targeting NAF1138 on Night 1 to solve a different quandary. (#5370) I somehow missed this sentence when I replied to you earlier. I think your solution works, and shows that **Silver Jan** is the town Roleblocker. > [@septimus](#): > > But NAF1138 also targeted Ed Night 1 and (since NAF1138 targeted Peekercpa on Night 0) acted as Lightning Rod, diverting Jan’s block to himself. (NAF1138 reported “protected” rather than “blocked” that Night – perhaps he was also targeted by Sangaman the Wolf Doctor.) \*\*NAF1138 \*\*targeted \*\*peeker \*\*on Night 0 (his was the action that went through). So NAF became a Lightning Rod for Night 1. Night 1, NAF targeted **Special Ed** , so anyone who targeted Ed was redirected to NAF. **Silver Jan** targeted Ed, so her block was redirected to NAF. Here’s the quandry: would Jan’s block have negated NAF’s power on Night 1? We know that NAF did in fact gain Ed’s Efficiency Expert power, because he used it to double his own power the following Night. But it must be that NAF’s Mimic ability takes precedence in the order of operations over Jan’s block, because if Jan blocked NAF, then NAF would not have targeted Ed, so he would not have redirected Jan, and Jan would not have blocked NAF. So, this explains why Jan did not block Ed on Night 1. All of Jan’s other actions are consistent with her being a Roleblocker, so that is what she most likely is. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5555 "2011-09-20T16:28:25Z")
It looks as if I am the Town Roleblocker and I thought I could clear it up by blocking myself ☹ I wish\*\* DonkTimesFour\*\* would come back and say what happened to him. Even without that, we are very close to winning and I think my vote on him will stand because although he\* could\* be Town, his lack of participation isn’t helping right now. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5556 "2011-09-20T16:47:34Z")
So that leaves one of Donk, giraffe and normal as Lightfoot v1 long lost mason buddy. Which could potentially leave the other two as Scum assuming all other claimed roles are pro town. Bufftabby - I have a town lean on as she seams to have protected in a protown way. Although I am trying to figure out if it is a wolf kill protecting warm glow or only prevents others actions acting on the target of Buffs warm glowiness. As said before I dont think the scum have a designated killer as I only saw one person visit Zerial the night they died. Then again a scum buff has no reason not to act protown - she just needs to stay alive. Septimus - still suspicious - mostly over the coincidence of Sj and Septimus getting reads on lilflower and teh whole role symettry between him and Peeker - weak case though. I think we need to lynch Donk 4 as we wont learn anything else from him. Remaining scum roles out there? Well I have receievd roles with ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5557 "2011-09-20T16:57:15Z")
I think \*\*PCM \*\*was eaten by the Black Beast… ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5558 "2011-09-20T16:58:21Z")
Opps hit enter there too soon The last line was - remaining scum roles - I have recieved a confused role PM twice - so there may be some name swapper type role for scum i also had a ‘no apparent result’ one night - not sure if that was down to lighterfeet - although I think others reproted being blocked - so there may be still some rolebloking type power out there. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5559 "2011-09-20T17:02:15Z")
This is a summary of all posts by **DonkTimesFour** Day 2: 1659 - hello post, when he subbed in 1661 - fluff 1665 - fluff 1682 - fluff 1685 - fluff 1903 - comment on previous game Night 2: 2582 - actual content. Twice in this post he says that Dancecat is a bad vote. (Of course, this post is made during Night 2, so he shouldn’t have been talking strategy in the first place) 2597 - fluff 2601 - fluff 2620 - fluff 2623 - fluff 2627 - fluff Day 3: 3284 - apology for his light participation. Tells us the he got a message saying Dancecat (killed overNight) was Town, says he thinks Pizza is Town 3286 - comment to Weedy about why he (Weedy) thinks sangaman is Scum but votes for Astral Night 3: No posts Day 4: 3835 - vote for Idle, with no reasining included 4035 - apologizes for his light participation Night 4: No posts Day 5: No posts Night 5: No posts Day 6: 4825 - apologizes for his light participation, thinks crackedquads was Day-Angeled 4826 - votes crackedquads, “if the scum are day angeling CQ it must mean that they know he has some sort of important role, like vig, or detective” 4844 - thinks that there are ways for players to determine their abilities Night 6: No posts Day 7: 5272 - vote for Episkey, with no reasoning included Night 7: Np Posts Day 8: 5360 - apologizes for his light participation 5361 - says he is a villager and that if anyone has questions for him they should fire away Night 8: No posts Day 9: No posts I’m not seeing anything here that makes me want to change my vote. If he’s Town, and he’s actually still playing this game, then he needs to get his butt in here and help out some. If he’s Scum, then he will most likely serve himself best by continuing to remain quiet so that he doesn’t give the Town any more information. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5560 "2011-09-20T17:09:23Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > I have recieved a confused role PM twice - so there may be some name swapper type role for scum > i also had a ‘no apparent result’ one night - not sure if that was down to lighterfeet - although I think others reproted being blocked - so there may be still some rolebloking type power out there. Night 1: Astral received the Town Mystic Role (unclaimed, based on the fact that J.D. says he targeted Astral) (true, from J.D.) Night 2: PCM received the Town Apothecary role (false) Ed received the Town Efficiency Expert role (true, from J.D.) Night 3: Idle received the Scum Detective role (true, from J.D.) Night 4: Normal received the Town Roleblocker role (false) J.D. received the Towwn Psychiatrist role (true, from J.D.) Night 5: septimus received the Town Tracker role (false) Suburban received the Town Tracker role (true, from J.D.) Night 6: PCM received the Town Efficiency Expert role (false) Nobody received a true role (J.D. blocked) Night 7: No reports. Night 8: No reports We had 4 reports in 8 Nights of someone receiveing a Role which was not theirs. That would imply that there is an unknown role out there, though whether this role would be Town or Scum is uncertain. Also, on Night 7\*\* J.D.\*\* should have still gotten an action in even though he was killed, unless he was blocked. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5561 "2011-09-20T17:22:29Z")
Speculation - Could be the false role whisper is a scum role which spreads confusion - but contains some correct information (power/alingment)scum may have figured out that targeting town with the power is a bad idea as it may reveal additional town powers out there so are targeting their scum buddy? Septimus who have you targets been for the last few nights? Did anything happen to you when Giraffe was randed :dubious: onto you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=277) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=279)