# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 279
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5562 "2011-09-20T17:29:48Z")
**vote Donkx4** I know I don’t have much to contribute toDay. Work is super crazy. Donk seems like a good lynch candidate for toDay due to his lurkiness and the fact that he hasn’t given up any targets. In reviewing SP’s list, I don’t see anyone who targeted the people who got the false results so it’s possible Donk is the one who targeted them. If he is the one who targeted them and is responsible for those PM’s, I don’t think a role that gives out false PM’s is likely to be town. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5563 "2011-09-20T17:40:24Z")
Now we do have a test for if Giraffe is the apothcary (massivly unlikly IMHO, but still worth checking) - Scath as claimed poisoner/apothecary should target Giraffe tonight. From the Apothecary role PM I received I did leave out one part when describing what I received, which is the apothecarys rather unusual reaction to being poisioned. So we will know tomorrow if Giraffe is the apothecary. Mind you that does not rule out a scum apothecary. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5564 "2011-09-20T17:41:31Z")
**vote Donkx4** pending some sort of target list from him ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5565 "2011-09-20T18:14:06Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Now we do have a test for if Giraffe is the apothcary (massivly unlikly IMHO, but still worth checking) - Scath as claimed poisoner/apothecary should target Giraffe tonight. From the Apothecary role PM I received I did leave out one part when describing what I received, which is the apothecarys rather unusual reaction to being poisioned. > So we will know tomorrow if Giraffe is the apothecary. > Mind you that does not rule out a scum apothecary. I’d only be healing tonight. I can poison him tomorrow night? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5566 "2011-09-20T18:36:15Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > I’d only be healing tonight. I can poison him tomorrow night? How about you target me toNight anyway? Just in case you are an all-the-time Scum poisoner. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5567 "2011-09-20T18:41:23Z")
How on earth do you guys keep a list of what’s going on, I try to make a list and then something happens that makes my list of scum wrong. If **Scathach** is the healer poisoner, has someone, anyone got a list of his/her doings? I am not happy that he poisoned **DB** , resurrected her and the wiped her out again. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5568 "2011-09-20T18:44:21Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > How about you target me toNight anyway? Just in case you are an all-the-time Scum poisoner. Hmm, nice WIFOM\*\* Giraffe \*\* when you are under scrutiny anyway! ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5569 "2011-09-20T18:51:56Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Hmm, nice WIFOM\*\* Giraffe > \*\* when you are under scrutiny anyway! I don’t understand what you mean. I am dubious of **Scathach** ’s claim, and am suggesting an action that can definitively put to rest one of my suspicions (that he’s a full time Wolf Poisoner, not a half Poisoner/Apothecary). If he’s what he says he is, it’s completely harmless – he has nothing useful to do toNight with no one currently poisoned, and the Wolves knowing his action in advance isn’t going to help them. My only fear with **Scathach** is that he’s telling the truth and **Gadarene** gave him the crazy role he claims to make up for any imbalance caused by modkilling pizzaguy. Which is why I volunteered to die first in a lynch toDay – if I’m an Apothecary, I think he’s 100% Wolf. If not, well, no huge loss: I’m then almost certainly a useless Mason. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5570 "2011-09-20T18:56:41Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > How on earth do you guys keep a list of what’s going on, I try to make a list and then something happens that makes my list of scum wrong. Excel FTW. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5571 "2011-09-20T19:04:48Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I don’t understand what you mean. I am dubious of **Scathach** ’s claim, and am suggesting an action that can definitively put to rest one of my suspicions (that he’s a full time Wolf Poisoner, not a half Poisoner/Apothecary). If he’s what he says he is, it’s completely harmless – he has nothing useful to do toNight with no one currently poisoned, and the Wolves knowing his action in advance isn’t going to help them. > > My only fear with **Scathach** is that he’s telling the truth and **Gadarene** gave him the crazy role he claims to make up for any imbalance caused by modkilling pizzaguy. Which is why I volunteered to die first in a lynch toDay – if I’m an Apothecary, I think he’s 100% Wolf. If not, well, no huge loss: I’m then almost certainly a useless Mason. Well thanks for that, gosh it did take a lot of pushing but I can accept that, why try and hide your Masoness or apocathryness when you knew a counter claim could out them? OR you? AND in my very 1st game I was told that no ones role is unimportant!!! We all have a role to play!!! Please take note: I have Wine in front of me tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5572 "2011-09-20T19:10:42Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Well thanks for that, gosh it did take a lot of pushing but I can accept that, why try and hide your Masoness or apocathryness when you knew a counter claim could out them? OR you? > > AND in my very 1st game I was told that no ones role is unimportant!!! We all have a role to play!!! > > Please take note: I have Wine in front of me tonight. I have no idea what any of this means. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5573 "2011-09-20T19:11:02Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Septimus who have you targets been for the last few nights? Did anything happen to you when Giraffe was randed :dubious: onto you? N7 I targeted DonkTimesFour. N8 I targeted Giraffe - making his “randed to septimus” seem odd, but I suppose it was just coincidence. I’ve already reported all results except the “no result” messages. Should we figure out a targeting regime for Night 9 to test hypotheses? I could prove I’m an Attractor, for example, though that wouldn’t confirm my alignment. Bufftabby could test whether she has role-blocking power. Ideas? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5574 "2011-09-20T19:19:22Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > N7 I targeted DonkTimesFour. > N8 I targeted Giraffe - making his “randed to septimus” seem odd, but I suppose it was just coincidence. > I’ve already reported all results except the “no result” messages. > > Should we figure out a targeting regime for Night 9 to test hypotheses? I could prove I’m an Attractor, for example, though that wouldn’t confirm my alignment. Bufftabby could test whether she has role-blocking power. Ideas? What makes you think that \*\*bufftabby \*\*might have roleblocking powers? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5575 "2011-09-20T19:31:22Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > What makes you think that \*\*bufftabby \*\*might have roleblocking powers? Treat it as idle speculation. I’ve not scrutinized the result/target matrix as thoroughly as you – is there any evidence she has any power at all? It seemed unlikely her targets experienced “warm glow” with no other effect whatsoever, but I suppose it’s possible. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5576 "2011-09-20T19:53:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Treat it as idle speculation. I’ve not scrutinized the result/target matrix as thoroughly as you – is there any evidence she has any power at all? It seemed unlikely her targets experienced “warm glow” with no other effect whatsoever, but I suppose it’s possible. Are you implying that I spend way too much time analyzing this game? :dubious: Anyway, \*\*bufftabby’s \*\*targets: N1: targeted NAF1138, redirected to septimus (by septimus own ability) - septimus not blocked, or else bufftabby wouldn’t have been redirected…but this could be an ‘order of operations’ issue N2: self - a self-block would presumably have no effect N3: LightFoot 1.0 - possible LightFoot could have been blocked N4: self - a self-block would presumably have no effec N5: pwnsall - pwnsall was killed Nihgt 5, so we don’t know if he was blocked N6: NAF1138 (random) - NAF targeted J.D on Night 6, but was killed Night 7 so we don’t know if he actually gained the power. I don’t believe NAF received any confirmation that his activity was successful, so he may have been blocked N7: LightFoot 2.0 - LightFoot claimed to have targeted (and therefore blocked) Scathach. Drain Bead also tageted Scathach that Night, which would have redirected him back to himself. All we know is that Scathach did not cure J.D. that Night. He may have been blocked, redirected, or he may be lying. N8: Scathach (random) - Scathach targeted Drain, who was poisoned. So it would appear Scathach was not blocked, unless someone else is the poisoner. Night 8 would seem to refute the idea that \*\*bufftabby \*\*blocks her targets, but all of the other Nights are not necessarily inconsistent with that idea. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5577 "2011-09-20T20:47:16Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I have no idea what any of this means. It means I am looking for scum with a glass of wine in my hand!! I am not sure whether I should change my vote or not, Giraffe is looking really scummy according to my scumdar. The only reason I don’t want to change my vote it cos Donk is’nt here! ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5578 "2011-09-20T20:54:31Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > It means I am looking for scum with a glass of wine in my hand!! > > I am not sure whether I should change my vote or not, Giraffe is looking really scummy according to my scumdar. > > The only reason I don’t want to change my vote it cos Donk is’nt here! If you think \*\*Giraffe \*\*is the Scummiest, then vote for him. We don’t need a unanimous vote in order to lynch, and there are no bonuses for going along with the crowd. Though I will say that \*\*Donk’s \*\*absence is in this case one of the reasons that I’m voting for him. If he had come back and given us some information, my vote might have gone elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5579 "2011-09-20T20:59:21Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > If you think \*\*Giraffe \*\*is the Scummiest, then vote for him. We don’t need a unanimous vote in order to lynch, and there are no bonuses for going along with the crowd. > > Though I will say that \*\*Donk’s \*\*absence is in this case one of the reasons that I’m voting for him. If he had come back and given us some information, my vote might have gone elsewhere. It’s just worrying me that\*\* Donk \*\* isn’t back?? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5580 "2011-09-20T21:12:34Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > It’s just worrying me that\*\* Donk > \*\* isn’t back?? I figure it this way. If he’s Scum, then his continuing absence, and impending death, is a good thing. If he’s Town, then he continuing absence is definitely not helping, and depending on his role may in fact he hurting the Town (because his target is being chosen randomly). So his death will at least give us information, which is more than we’re getting from him now. If he is putting in Night orders but not participating during the Day, then he is almost certainly Scum. And an analysis of his few posts looked like someone who was trying to play it safe without actually contributing anything to the game, which is generally seen as Scummy behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/5581 "2011-09-20T21:13:54Z")
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