# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/542 "2011-08-18T16:07:47Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I see the NAF has since abandoned his idea with further discussion. I’m willing to give benefit of the doubt on that. > > **unvote NAF** > > The interaction between **Idle** and **dancecat** seems off to me. That is, his initial statement seems sort of off logically, but so does her reaction to it. I’m not really sure what to think of it, so just consider both of you FOSed at this point. Maybe something about it will better materialize as I keep catching up. > > BTW, do we still use the term FOS here? I haven’t seen it in this thread yet, which seems to mean maybe it stopped getting used. It kinda got abandoned as redundant. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/543 "2011-08-18T16:09:30Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Would someone from the ‘Other Board’ please explain to me what I’m supposed to do with this statement? > > This reads to me as “I’m a Cop/Seer ad I investigated Plankton last Night, and he’s Town”. Of course, that would be a stupid thing to say at this stage, so that makes me think “ah, fakepeek”. But then there’s the ‘magic bag’ thrown in, along with the “I wouldn’t worry about this till later” disclaimer. > > In any other game here, everyone would be leaping down \*\*Silman’s \*\*throat right now for making such a ludicrous statement. In this game, people aren’t, presumably because it’s not so ludicrous. That much I get…what I don’t get is why his statement ‘makes sense’. Yeah, and this is why I don’t like fakepeeks. If this is supposed to be a fakepeek then fuck. It actually makes me want to scream at the computer, because you are right, this would typically be a very bad move in our culture. Own up to what you know or keep it hidden but the fucking magic bag makes investigative work harder for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/544 "2011-08-18T16:11:02Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > BTW, do we still use the term FOS here? I haven’t seen it in this thread yet, which seems to mean maybe it stopped getting used. You certainly can. I think some of us have stomped on it a little when it got to the point that people were FOSing everyone and their grandmas but not voting. In my view, a FOS is for when your vote is already tied down on someone else but you want the first person to know that whatever it is they’re doing, you’re not a fan. If you don’t have a vote down, and say FOS on X, I’m going to wonder why you can’t vote them. (FOS=Finger of Suspicion or Big Hairy Eyeball; sometimes people color them orange so they stand out in the game thread but aren’t using an official game color.) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/545 "2011-08-18T16:11:22Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > This thing is moving way too fast for me and I can’t believe Day ends today. Krayz is the only one pinging me. Peeker is being his usual distracting self, but that’s just him. > > \*\*Vote Krayz \*\* This is all you have to say? I am disappointed Maha, for the same reasons I was disappointed in Bufftabby. If the game weren’t moving at such a lighting pace…but then it is. You join Tabby and Ed on the leaning scum side of my list. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/546 "2011-08-18T16:12:33Z")
Ok and that is all the time I really should be devoting to this game today folks. Any future participation in the next 4 or 5 hours is just an indication that I have a problem. I need to go dismantle and then rebuild a bed. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/547 "2011-08-18T16:13:16Z")
I think Ed just likes lynching Silver Jan. She’s his other Pinkies. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/548 "2011-08-18T16:15:17Z")
Also, because (fake)peeks are hilarious and I’m the kind of guy who tries out new cultural practices rather than sneering at them, NAF1138 is a villager. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/549 "2011-08-18T16:16:19Z")
Naturally, you can construe that first clause to read as “If I flip Seer, then…” ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/550 "2011-08-18T16:16:34Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Huh. Interesting. So you are saying that because he might have had the role that actually returned a result, and that because that result might have been a cop result that he might be bread-crumbing an investigation (just want to be sure I am translating correctly). > > Out of curiosity, since I didn’t read the last game, was there anything in the last game that would lead you to believe that the first Night action that did return a result was a seer type action? The problem then becomes the fact that along with his potential Town peek, he’s implicated three people as Scum who _can’t_ all be Scum. But we don’t know that. And we don’t know which of his peeks are correct. It could be that he peeked someone Scum and is just luckily right about the Townie. I don’t know anything about his gameplay, but I can’t imagine him being the Town Cop and making the posts he did. So I’m going to rule that out. I’m concerned about the quick wagon he picked up, especially the third (tying, at the time) vote made by **Scuba Ben**. So, **BlaM** , I’m going to FOS **Scuba Ben** for that one. 😉 If **Krayz** comes up Town, **Ben** may be worth a look. Obviously, if he’s Scum, we can just ignore this entire paragraph. And as for masons, what are we to make of the mod comment in the OP to not expect any roles that don’t have to do with Night powers? Masons were not listed there, but that seems to fit. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/551 "2011-08-18T16:21:50Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Tiny Tower man, I’m on floor 80 I hate both of you. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/552 "2011-08-18T16:22:16Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > …Peeker is being his usual distracting self, but that’s just him. Thanks Mah, you’ve helped me finally understand **peeker** ’s Mafia play style. He uses the Chewbacca Defense. > [@Zeriel](#): > > Also, because (fake)peeks are hilarious and I’m the kind of guy who tries out new cultural practices rather than sneering at them, NAF1138 is a villager. And if I am a Cop, then Zeriel is a **DELETED** AOP: @ **Inner** : I understand **Ed** liking to lynch **Jan**. I like to try lynching Ed, Pleo, and Idle. Along with anybody else who attempts the Pleo-Idle gambit. @ **Drain Bead** : Ooh, you’re FOSing me for the “third vote is Scummy” vote? Why don’t you vote (or at least FOS) **Mahaloth** for casting the fourth vote? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/553 "2011-08-18T16:22:22Z")
**VOTE COUNT** Through post #550 Krayz (4): Drain Bead [489], Meeko [493], Scuba\_Ben [498], Mahaloth [540] peekercpa (3): Giraffe [301], [del]special ed [313][/del], NAF1138 [337], [del]Scuba\_Ben [379][/del], Silver Jan [484] TimeLady (2): sachertorte [211], Suburban Plankton [352] Dancecat (2): Idle Thoughts [72], [del]Giraffe [250][/del], Normal Phase [497] Giraffe (2): [del]special ed [51][/del], peekercpa [286], Krayz [418] TexCat (2): Inner Stickler [473], lilflower [494] Silver Jan (2): special ed [487], DanceCat [513] MykBot (1): [del]Zeriel [21][/del], TimeLady [24], [del]TexCat [459][/del] Scathach (1): GuiriEnEspaña [359] LightFoot (1): Zeriel [375] Septimus (1): Askthepizzaguy [477] lilflower (1): TexCat [521] Idle Thoughts (0): [del]Krayz [86][/del] GuiriEnEspaña (0): [del]Drain Bead [386][/del] NAF1138 (0): [del]Dancecat [53][/del], [del]Blaster Master [520][/del] Please PM me with any corrections! Night in ~6.5 hours. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/554 "2011-08-18T16:22:44Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I am losing context in the multi pages of the thread. What did this post mean? My last thought on peeker last night before I got yanked off the computer was that “making more sense than usual” is not as good a scum tell for him as is “being opportunistic”. Think his cheap vote on Mrs McGinty in the last Evil Dead or his hiding behind the confirmed town’s opinions on day one in the Ryker’s Island game. The Giraffe vote doesn’t ring any alarm bells for me in that sense: it’s his own reasoning, it’s solid reasoning, and it’s a “you’re acting scummy” reason, not a policy vote. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/555 "2011-08-18T16:23:37Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > What about night actions that happen to you? (that’s a really clunky way of putting it but hopefully you know what I mean) > > i.e. Scum presumably won’t reveal anything that happened to them (or else will lie). Should town tell all? Or is it too much of a risk of helping scum find out their roles. That’s presuming roles with effects that the person targeted finds out about of course. On further reflection of all of this sort of stuff, I think it depends. I think our goal should be to try to help power roles figure out who they are in a way that doesn’t help the scum. Consider that, though the scum have more information than we do, their information is about alignment. What they don’t know is who we target, which we can use sort in a sort of open-key type of communication. I think this would make the most sense with an example. Imagine the doctor leaves a note that he protected someone, it is probably worthwhile to reveal that information assuming that we don’t reveal who we target. I think it minimally provides equal information to both which, as was touched on, is an advantage to town, but most likely is ultimately more information to town. Let’s say someone is targetted. Considering that I think most of the discussion has agreed that we should target suspicious people (and I agree), and that person claims they were protected. Sure, if scum targetted them, they may now have reason to think they have a scum doctor, but they’re likely to figure it out at some point. Plus, a scum doctor isn’t something we should be too terrified of because we shouldn’t be depending on vigs/sks to take out scum. On the plus side, only the town knows who they targetted. They know that if they didn’t target that person, they’re less likely to be the doctor, and if they did, then they’re more likely to be the doctor. Thus, not only does the doctor gain knowledge about who he is without the scum having any leads to it (unless maybe they happened to overlay a track on that person), but he can then start using that role on people he suspects are townie, thus taking a potentially wasted role, or worse, one that could accidentally prevent a vig/sk from killing scum and start making it useful by potentially protecting a townie from vig/sk/scum kills. In the case of a roleblock, this information probably isn’t really worth sharing, because it’s something we want to use on scum anyway, so a roleblocker knowing that doesn’t really give them any usable information and we risk the chance of giving scum information that is probably quite valuable to them. For other roles, this could be more difficult to discern. What if people know they were redirected or tracked or watched or investigated or their role was revealed? I don’t really have the time to go through the permutations, but I think it is something that we ought to take into account based upon what information is revealed and I don’t really know what else to say besides that we just need to trust that people will make a good choice with whether or not to share it, just like in any other game how we need to trust power roles to make good choices about protections and investigations. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/556 "2011-08-18T16:24:33Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’m concerned about the quick wagon he picked up, especially the third (tying, at the time) vote made by **Scuba Ben**. So, **BlaM** , I’m going to FOS **Scuba Ben** for that one. 😉 If **Krayz** comes up Town, **Ben** may be worth a look. Obviously, if he’s Scum, we can just ignore this entire paragraph. On second thought, I’ll put out a statement just in case somebody has Lie Detector powers: I am Town. (Historical note: A couple of years back, one game had a Lie Detector role. Suddenly for several games everybody _had_ to claim Town on Day 1 just in case _that_ game also had a Lie Detector. IIRC, none did. So far.) ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/557 "2011-08-18T16:25:22Z")
I wager that \*\* Krayz \*\* breezed in and posted before catching up on the whole conversation about “ fake peeks” and their non purpose here. I am looking forward to their return (after catching up) As I also wager there could not have been results of 2 investigations from Night 0 going to ONE player. And to add…………… only one Night 0 action got a result……………In a game this size we only have one detective? …….I think NOT……so why would the Mod choose just ONE Detective/Seer to receive results. I can’t see it ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/558 "2011-08-18T16:27:51Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > On second thought, I’ll put out a statement just in case somebody has Lie Detector powers: I am Town. > > (Historical note: A couple of years back, one game had a Lie Detector role. Suddenly for several games everybody _had_ to claim Town on Day 1 just in case _that_ game also had a Lie Detector. IIRC, none did. So far.) There was one recently in one of SisC’s games on Idle. I dislike them because the game turns from mafia to convoluted and annoying “This sentence is false” shenanigans. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/559 "2011-08-18T16:32:01Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > There was one recently in one of SisC’s games on Idle. I dislike them because the game turns from mafia to convoluted and annoying “This sentence is false” shenanigans. I was once caught by a Lie Detector so I hate them. I hate them all!!! ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/560 "2011-08-18T16:34:15Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I wager that \*\* Krayz \*\* breezed in and posted before catching up on the whole conversation about > “ fake peeks” and their non purpose here. I am looking forward to their return (after catching up) > As I also wager there could not have been results of 2 investigations from Night 0 going to ONE player. > > And to add…………… only one Night 0 action got a result…………..In a game this size we only have one detective? …….I think NOT……so why would the Mod choose just ONE Detective/Seer to receive results. I can’t see it My first thought when I saw only one result from last night was a third party. They get such a raw deal usually that giving one a head start feels like the right answer to me. There’s no reason I couldn’t be wrong, but the fakepeeks today are still just kind of making me shake my head. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/561 "2011-08-18T16:38:36Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > My first thought when I saw only one result from last night was a third party. They get such a raw deal usually that giving one a head start feels like the right answer to me. There’s no reason I couldn’t be wrong, but the fakepeeks today are still just kind of making me shake my head. I recall from the OP that a Third party was possible and that would make sense to me as well. If fakepeeks are going to be introduced to this game I will give them no water . Which also means that a true reveal will now be suspect everytime. T’will be frustrating sorting the chaff [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=29)