# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/562 "2011-08-18T16:39:47Z")
NETA it appears we will be playing theirs/ours in a mixed marriage sort of game here ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/563 "2011-08-18T16:46:04Z")
I got so far behind on the game it isn’t even funny. Yikes. That said, I’m inclined to agree with **NAF** that something feels not quite right about **Ed’s** play, particularly the response to **Jan**. So I’m going to plunk my vote down on **Special Ed**. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/564 "2011-08-18T16:50:39Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Peek, I promise that the first time I am wrong about your tell it will be the last time I ever use it as the basis for any kind of vote against you. The problem is, I have used it as a basis for a vote against you at least 4 times now and I have yet to be wrong. Is this really true? I thought the meme was that Peeker is always a Mason. In order for you to have caught Peeker 4 times based on this tell Peeker would have had to have been scum 4 times. I’m not saying that’s not true, but it is inconsistent with my recollection. I do remember Peeker getting mislynched quite a few times for being _difficult_. I do remember Peeker being a Mason several times. I think I remember Peeker getting nailed for being coherent, but that was like once right? He hasn’t played in _that_ many games has he? > [@peekercpa](#): > > second. i’d like to place a bet. when i flip town you post “ **peeker** is the greatest player ever. for me to even think that he is not telling the truth makes me as dumb as a stump” for all succeeding games we play in (or maybe just 5 - 10). storyteller pulled this a while back (I think he was Town, but I don’t remember for sure). It irritated me then and it irritates me now. What kind of stupid bet is that? If you are Town then you know you are town and it is a sucker bet. If you are Scum, you know you are scum and it isn’t a bet at all, but a ploy. It isn’t as though any of us are going to put any credence in the bet whether Peeker is Town or Scum. Gah! > [@NAF1138](#): > > You realise that this is what you say every time you get caught out as scum right? Can someone else verify this? I have a vague recollection of Peeker calling people idiots often, but I don’t have a recollection of whether or not it skews more to when he is scum or not. My expectation is that Peeker calls people idiots whenever he is about to get lynched regardless of alignment, but I don’t know for sure, and I’m too lazy to look up game after game to check. For my part, the one time I was lynched I called the Town a bunch of idiots. I was correct. 😃 > [@NAF1138](#): > > Deal Well this makes even less sense. If NAF is Town, then he is betting that Peeker is bluffing a bet simply for effect. If NAF is Scum, then he knows whether or not Peeker is Scum or not. If Peeker is Scum then the entire exchange is staged. If Peeker is Town then a scummy NAF is taking a bet he _knows he will lose._ Huh. Interesting. Part of me wants to say that if Peeker is Town this makes NAF Town – but I’m waffling. The problem I have is that who would take such a bet? I look at the situation and I’m like, “this is dumb, Peeker knows what he is.” But Scum looking at the situation might think, “take the bet, lose on purpose, then look like a Townie who made a very public mistake.” It is actually quite brilliant for scum to take a Townie Peeker’s bet and lose on purpose. Even losing the bet ends up a winner as no matter what he is forced to post the underlying fact would be “I got Peeker lynched.” The only way Peeker “wins” is if both are Town. > [@Giraffe](#): > > I’ll take that bet. Ten games, if you flip not-town, your first post will be a paragraph listing five facts about John Quincy Adams. Gah. > [@TexCat](#): > > I am going to vote for someone with a bad idea. Did you not read my post responding to DanceCat’s vote for NAF’s Bad Idea? If you didn’t, please go back and read it. Just assume all rhetorical questions posed to DanceCat are to TexCat instead. [Replace “NAF” with “MykBot” too.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14149751&postcount=211) > [@Dancecat](#): > > I don’t think that you see what I was getting at with my pressure of NAF. My objective was to generate strategy discussion that would benefit the village and prevent us from giving the wolves additional free information. It was successful. And thus the real cultural problem. What you say here could be absolutely true. What you say here could also be a scum making stuff up to explain a scummy move. If “I did it for effect” is a valid excuse then how are we going to find scum? “Oh that scummy thing I did, I just did it for effect and to generate discussion. See! We’re discussing it! Mission Accomplished.” You don’t see a problem here? > [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > First… wow. Dude, BAD idea that seems like a good one. > _\_ > **[CLOR=“Blue”]vote NAF[/COLOR]** I want to cry. For my records we now have DanceCat TexCat and Blaster Master who have happily voted for a Bad Idea. Of these, Blaster Master should know the best that Bad Ideas are not a scum tell. Have I missed anyone else? I think there were some MykBot votes too, but were those for the “soft clearing” not the the Bad Idea. (I’ll check when I come across a vote count). \*\* I checked, it was TexCat :smack: \*\* I’ll also state here that I’m quite content with my vote on TimeLady. I’m surprised no one else other than Suburban finds her Scummy. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/565 "2011-08-18T16:51:54Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Peeker is being his usual distracting self, but that’s just him. > > Vote Krayz Yeahbutno, that’s not true. He’s a leading vote contender precisely because of this. Have you read the thread, or did you just read far enough to get to the crazy-posting **krayz**? You seem to have completely missed the rather prominent existence (right or wrong) of the case on **peeker** , which makes me think you were searching the thread, looking for the least refutable case you could find. **vote mahaloth** > [@NAF1138](#): > > This is all you have to say? > > I am disappointed Maha, for the same reasons I was disappointed in Bufftabby. If the game weren’t moving at such a lighting pace…but then it is. > > You join Tabby and Ed on the leaning scum side of my list. Yeahwhut? This is the most Day One participation I’ve managed to have in some time. I’m sorry this disappoints you. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/566 "2011-08-18T17:01:39Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Yeahbutno, that’s not true. He’s a leading vote contender precisely because of this. Have you read the thread, or did you just read far enough to get to the crazy-posting **krayz**? You seem to have completely missed the rather prominent existence (right or wrong) of the case on **peeker** , which makes me think you were searching the thread, looking for the least refutable case you could find. :snipped: What’s not true? He isn’t being his usual distracting self? I think he is. And I have read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/567 "2011-08-18T17:02:22Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > @ **Drain Bead** : Ooh, you’re FOSing me for the “third vote is Scummy” vote? Why don’t you vote (or at least FOS) **Mahaloth** for casting the fourth vote? :dubious: Well, I was emphasizing more that it was a tying vote, not the third vote. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/568 "2011-08-18T17:03:40Z")
> [@Dancecat](#): > > Yes and yes. Typically, in our games, seers/cops always have a n0 action. If there was only one action that took place n0 in this game, it would not surprise me in the slightest if it were a cop’s investigation. Can another player from ‘over there’ verify this? And would only ONE of the investigators randomly be gifted with a result? (because I can’t imagine there is only ONE in this game) ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/569 "2011-08-18T17:12:09Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > :snipped: > > What’s not true? He isn’t being his usual distracting self? I think he is. And I have read the thread. There’s been considerable discussion on the subject. The way you stated your feelings on **peeker** seemed devoid of context. Perhaps “not true” was not strictly a correct statement, but nevertheless, your assessment struck me as that of someone who hadn’t noted the previous discussion. Since the general view has been that **peeker** is posting differently than he usually does when he’s Town, if you’d paid attention to the arguments, I’d expect the tone of your statement to be more of a refutation than the simple declaration you offered. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/570 "2011-08-18T17:18:01Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Can another player from ‘over there’ verify this? And would only ONE of the investigators randomly be gifted with a result? (because I can’t imagine there is only ONE in this game) I’ll allow that it’s possible. Because I can’t imagine a Mafiascum game where death has no reveal (Hurrdurrburg currently running on the Geeb) or where Scum cannot talk among themselves (a few years back on the Puzzle Pirates forum). It would suck royally to have but one investigator in a game this large. @ **Drain Bead** : Got you. I’ll amend my question: Ooh, you’re FOSing me for the “tying vote is Scummy” vote? Why don’t you vote (or at least FOS) Mahaloth for casting the tie-breaking vote? :dubious: @ **sach** : I’m going to flip back to your and **Subbie** ’s votes on **TimeLady**. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/571 "2011-08-18T17:18:17Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > NETA it appears we will be playing theirs/ours in a mixed marriage sort of game here I think we ALL need to be on the lookout for voting based on cultural differences that look like tells. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/572 "2011-08-18T17:25:16Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > one investigator in a game this large. > > @ **Drain Bead** : Got you. I’ll amend my question: > > Ooh, you’re FOSing me for the “tying vote is Scummy” vote? Why don’t you vote (or at least FOS) Mahaloth for casting the tie-breaking vote? :dubious: Because I think votes leading to ties close to the end of Day are Scummier than tiebreaking votes. What do you think of my point about Masons and whether or not they’re precluded by the ruleset as spelled out in the OP? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/573 "2011-08-18T17:25:25Z")
The votes on TimeLady Sach in #211: “I don’t like this at all. Why are you so concerned about looking Townie? Vote when you want to, but this type of calculation makes me want you dead.” He refers to TL: "Early voting tends to be done more by townies, at least in my experience, since scum don’t want to outright put their necks on the line and drive a mislynch, and would rather wait until (it invariably happens) a townie goes after a townie and they can put a somewhat more innocuous vote on them. It may be that you have a completely different dynamic on this board, so if there is just tell me and I’ll retract this, but I can only use what I’ve experienced. " Sach, why do you dislike that type of calculation so much that you find TL scummy? Suburban Plankton in #352: “for breaking the ‘culture barrier’ and voting along with Zeriel (whose vote was half-joking to begin with), for her stated reason (“obvious vote is obvious”) and for later justifying her vote by pointing out how “early voting tends to be done more by townies”” **Plank** , that’s an incredibly weak reason, about as bad as hers. I expect better of you; that weak vote is out of character for you. So much so that’s it’s a Good Enough reason for me to move my vote. **unvote Krayz vote Suburban Plankton** Aside: I noticed I’m starting to shift to gender-positive pronouns as I figure them out. I hope this makes my posts more readable as the game goes on. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/574 "2011-08-18T17:27:19Z")
ABWOP as I didn’t preview, @ Drain Bead. I agree masons are highly unlikely, given the game setup. But until we generally accept that there are no masons, we have to allow the possibility. It would be stupid to discount any reasonable crazy possibility, and I’m a Fool not stupid. ---
**Author:** ![MykBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@MykBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MykBot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/575 "2011-08-18T17:37:17Z")
Woah you guys are not understanding what I was saying about targeting yourself at all. In the first game I targeted myself on night 0, on the assumption that having the ability to kill or really harm myself was probably impossible because it wouldn’t activate until night 1 if it was that dangerous. This was a true assumption in the first game. I got no result. So on night 1 I targeted someone else. I got no result. This meant that I didn’t know what my power was, but that it almost certainly didn’t kill or seriously harm the other player. So on night 2 I targeted myself _again_ to try to get a result, so that I could learn what my ability was. I still got no result. I finished the game having no damn clue what I was doing to people when I targeted them. So I guess I need to be more specific here. You CAN decide to take the gamble of targeting yourself tonight (“on the table”) if you haven’t already done that night 0, but you SHOULD probably make your own decision about that, and the BETTER decision is to target someone else so you don’t harm yourself. Then, some players will have info on what they do, but most will not. On night TWO, if you’re still alive, you can target yourself again if your night 1 target didn’t die or something, and you’ll hopefully be able to ascertain your night action. In the first game there were a lot of people who never knew what their action was. I expect that to repeat here. But chiefly, I didn’t provide a _bad_ idea, I provided the best thought process about the night actions in the entire thread. ---
**Author:** ![Krayz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba9def/32.png) [@Krayz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krayz)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/576 "2011-08-18T17:38:54Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > These posts were made while I was still composing my other ones. > > For one, I actually hope you aren’t the seer. How would anyone ever be able to tell if you’re breadcrumbing or not, with calling everyone wolf? :rolleyes: already said my fakepeek was dancecat donuts ---
**Author:** ![MykBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@MykBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MykBot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/577 "2011-08-18T17:40:25Z")
Like, if you failed to reflect on the possibility that targeting yourself might be dangerous, after I explicitly suggested the same, that’s on you. ---
**Author:** ![Krayz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba9def/32.png) [@Krayz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krayz)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/578 "2011-08-18T17:40:52Z")
> [@Silman](#): > > okay, so I haven’t really read the thread, and won’t until I wake up in the morning because I just got home from work and I’m sleepy > in order to give you guys some good contribution to remember me by, I read krazy’s posts and since\*\* I’m the proud owner of his soul \*\*(and took lessons from thedean1, a notable pogger) I can happily say he is a villager this game. > > also Suburban Plankton is a villager, whoever that is, but for a much more secret reason I’ll get into later (maybe, if you’re lucky. I wouldn’t worry about this till later) > > When I wake up I’ll find you a wolf if it’s still day1 and I’m still alive, I don’t really got much atm. > > p.s. I’m awesome at soul reading, but really busy IRL atm, when I get some free time I’ll crush this game for y’all > > p.p.s. > [http://www.mostwantedcelebrities.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Emma-Watson.jpg](http://www.mostwantedcelebrities.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Emma-Watson.jpg) liessssssssss ---
**Author:** ![MykBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@MykBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MykBot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/579 "2011-08-18T17:42:10Z")
And frankly it’s a little suspicious to interpret my post through the lens of a series of the least charitable possible interpretation of what I said about the night actions. I know you don’t know me or have any reason TO trust me, but it seems like you read that post in a context of “he just said we should all kill ourselves, so I’m going to bend it exactly that way,” which you should recognize is completely ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Krayz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba9def/32.png) [@Krayz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krayz)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/580 "2011-08-18T17:42:11Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > **Vote TexCat** a man after my own heart \<3 ---
**Author:** ![MykBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@MykBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MykBot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/581 "2011-08-18T17:43:43Z")
So basically the result of all that is that TexCat seems to be playing well and lilflower is not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=30)