# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/642 "2011-08-18T18:45:40Z")
People, please stop saying I claimed seer. I have claimed nothing and know zero about my role other than my affiliation, just like you. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/643 "2011-08-18T18:47:31Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I assume you think that because of his playstyle, i.e., he knows he is the fool and is playing the part. But how would he know that? Wouldn’t he have to have gotten a result last Night? If so, are you saying \*\*AskthePizzaGuy \*\*is lying? The rules for a lone third party would undoubtedly be different, but everyone in the game knows their win condition. It would seem hugely unfair to a neutral role to start the game without a wincon. The fool usually has a “night action” that doesn’t actually do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/644 "2011-08-18T18:48:38Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Also, what is a bus driver? [Bus Driver](http://mafiagameswiki.com/mafiaWiki/Bus_Driver) We call a player who wins if they get lynched a Jester and most of us think it’s a crap role and the game designers don’t use it. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/645 "2011-08-18T18:48:56Z")
**Dancecat** , have you seen the clause in the rules about how we should not expect any roles that aren’t related to Night targets? The rules specifically preclude Godfathers, Millers, and vote changers, but I think Jester (and Mason) would probably fall under that as well. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/646 "2011-08-18T18:49:17Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I think \*\*TexCat \*\*is misreading **Mykbot** ’s suggestion here. He is pretty clearly saying that last Night would have been a good Night to target yourself (although I don’t agree but that doesn’t make him scummy). \*\*TexCat \*\*goes on to say that \*\*Mykbot \*\*is telling us all to target ourselves every Night which he clearly is not. > > I also don’t think we should be voting for people for what you might think is a bad idea. Firstly, at least it generates discussion which is what we need. Secondly, it’s not like putting an idea out there forces everyone to actually do it. I’ve always been bothered by this thought process that if one person makes a suggestion that others don’t agree with, that they are scum. Townies should know not to take the advice of a single, unconfirmed player. > > This is a lazy vote. > > \*\*vote TexCat \*\* > > Also, nothing happened to me last Night that I know of. This is a very good post, especially the underlined. TexCat, why did you twist the words around? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/647 "2011-08-18T18:49:34Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I thought I had sort of explained that, I was in a hurry, I have no idea when EOD is and I wanted to get a vote in. Then\*\* Ed\*\* really got my goat by voting for me and now I have 3 votes. > > Anyway,\*\* Peeker\*\* went from being normal to “effing and blinding” all over the place as if to prove a point. What it said to me though was that he was trying to get his “normal” style of play back and went OTT. at that time of your vote that hadn’t happened. plus i have a job and really can only get on intermittently during the day. but actually i think my lynch will be a good thing. then this whole meta nonsense about someone playing one way when they are scum and another when they are town can be shitcanned. seriously, i don’t know about the folks from the other board but if you are truly that transparant you need to go back and take mafia 101 again. what is OTT, btw? ---
**Author:** ![TimeLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@TimeLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeLady)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/648 "2011-08-18T18:49:55Z")
I’m finding it really hard to follow this thread without avatars, but for now I have a slight town lead on Idle Thoughts (mostly his post in which he says (paraphrasing) “Wtf guys with all this offtopic talk, LETS BE LYNCHING SOME SCUM”). I don’t think a scum would be quite so gogogogo about it all. I have a small town lean on mykbot just for the way he’s posting, though him concentrating so much on offtopic things is bizarre and kinda freaks me out. I have a small scum lean on SisterChapel for “innocuous posting”. Scrolling through the thread he (she?) has made a few posts but none of them really stick out, and it very much seeming like they’re trying to blend in in the background and not attract attention to themselves. I was gonna multiquote their posts but I can’t seem to make that button work right now (fucking internet connection) Regarding my vote on Mykbot early d1, I did it because…I wanted to. It wasn’t a serious vote, and with a massive long d1 I figured it wouldn’t mean much. That’s basically it **vote: SisterChapel** ---
**Author:** ![TimeLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@TimeLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeLady)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/649 "2011-08-18T18:52:07Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > **Dancecat** , have you seen the clause in the rules about how we should not expect any roles that aren’t related to Night targets? The rules specifically preclude Godfathers, Millers, and vote changers, but I think Jester (and Mason) would probably fall under that as well. nono, do not rule out masons in the last game there were maybe a pool or 5 or 6 people who were designated (masons). each Night they would target someone and if they hit another mason they would be able to talk, and were able to continue targetting other people in order to increase the masonry size. There was a wolf that was a mason though, so it’s should not be immediately clearing. Ofc, this is assuming the roles would be in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/650 "2011-08-18T18:52:36Z")
I’d guess Over The Top, Peeker. Multiquoting is done by clicking on the button with quotation marks and a plus sign. Simply click on each post that you want to have quoted in your post and then click post reply. The quoted posts will automatically be in your message window. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/651 "2011-08-18T18:53:43Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > I wouldn’t assume the orange is true entirely. > > One possible action that could have gone through that was a role in the other game was that of an “oracle”. Essentially, the oracle was a cop, but instead of getting a result from their investigation they got nothing. Upon dying, the investigation result of their last night action was revealed in the thread. > Also, what is a bus driver? > The rest of the analysis makes sense AFAIK, a bus driver switches the targets of two Night actions. > [@MykBot](#): > > Septimus, many night actions return results either to the person who did it, or the person on the receiving end. If you target yourself, you can’t hurt anyone else in the village and you might learn what your night action is. That’s why you do it on night 0. > > Honestly this is the result of having already played this setup once, it’s just the best way to uncover your ability. > > Take it or leave it I guess. the concept of the results going to the target of the Night action is new to me. i’ve never heard of this. more new stuff. nice! > [@Dancecat](#): > > do you guys call it fool or jester or something else? guy who wins (and ends) the game if lynched. jester or fool, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/652 "2011-08-18T18:53:47Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > **Dancecat** , have you seen the clause in the rules about how we should not expect any roles that aren’t related to Night targets? The rules specifically preclude Godfathers, Millers, and vote changers, but I think Jester (and Mason) would probably fall under that as well. The last game had masons, so I would see no reason that mason roles (or, for that matter, jester roles) would be ruled out. All the masons started lost in the last game and had peeks to find their partner(s). Once masoned, they lost their night action (unless you were me in which case you became a seer, but I was killed n1 and never found my partner :mad: ). A fool/jester visits a player each night for fun and futility in most setups, so I see no reason to assume that role couldn’t exist here. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/653 "2011-08-18T18:54:12Z")
> [@Dancecat](#): > > do you guys call it fool or jester or something else? guy who wins (and ends) the game if lynched. We have a custom around here–if there is one in the game, and that is not clearly stated in the opening, we call the mod a douchecanoe and continue playing as though it never happened. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/654 "2011-08-18T18:54:52Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > at that time of your vote that hadn’t happened. plus i have a job and really can only get on intermittently during the day. but actually i think my lynch will be a good thing. then this whole meta nonsense about someone playing one way when they are scum and another when they are town can be shitcanned. seriously, i don’t know about the folks from the other board but if you are truly that transparant you need to go back and take mafia 101 again. > > what is OTT, btw? Over the top ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/655 "2011-08-18T18:55:20Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Since we can’t Night-strategize, I wanted to throw this discussion point out there. As Town, should we be trying to target people we think are Town tonight, or people who we think might be Scum? My inclination is to try to target Scum, as I can think of only one role I might have that could actively hurt in that situation (Doc) and a lot of roles I might have that would help (blocker lol, vig, cop, watcher/tracker, etc.). Is there anything I’m not considering here? I didn’t play the mystery mash, but I think we should be targeting potential scum. So many roles are better used at them than town. Cop’s can either confirm scum or save us from a potential mislynch Vig kills either scum/potential mislynch rather than \>rand Town Roleblock obviously better for Scum, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/656 "2011-08-18T18:56:00Z")
> [@TimeLady](#): > > There was a wolf that was a mason though, so it’s should not be immediately clearing. Oh, god, someone block wikipedia on Special Ed’s computer. Wouldn’t a scum mason just open up the masonry to NKs? SCUM BOARD: Wolf Mason: Oh hey, I found a mason who found another mason Yesterday; so we kill this mason tonight and that mason Tomorrow and I go hunting again. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/657 "2011-08-18T18:56:19Z")
NETA: This is because it breaks one of the two fundamental rules of basic mafia: “vote for the person most suspicious”. The other fundamental rule is “moderator communications are always 100% truthful”, which is why we don’t usually do death millers either. Typically around here the mod will openly call the game a “Gastard” game (long story) if they’re going to do nasty, sneaky things with the setup that could result in normal actions having stupidly bad consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/658 "2011-08-18T18:56:22Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I assume you think that because of his playstyle, i.e., he knows he is the fool and is playing the part. But how would he know that? Wouldn’t he have to have gotten a result last Night? If so, are you saying \*\*AskthePizzaGuy \*\*is lying? I already addressed this, but no. > [@TimeLady](#): > > nono, do not rule out masons > > in the last game there were maybe a pool or 5 or 6 people who were designated (masons). each Night they would target someone and if they hit another mason they would be able to talk, and were able to continue targetting other people in order to increase the masonry size. > > There was a wolf that was a mason though, so it’s should not be immediately clearing. > > Ofc, this is assuming the roles would be in the game. sdjkfalfh my pony is clearly very ill, i’ll have the vet look at it. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/659 "2011-08-18T18:56:55Z")
> [@Dancecat](#): > > I think this is mostly a cultural/play style difference. On the other board, we sometimes find it a lot easier to clear villagers than to hunt wolves. This is particularly applicable on d1 when the village has so littler concrete information to go on. But you can always look for players who are working hard and exhibiting a villagery thought process. The only way you can really find a wolf d1 is based on tone (or if they make some ridic TMI slip or something). (Meta-ish comment: but what’s the _point_? Clearing townies is as easy as pie for wolves, and a bit dangerous for townies (self-induced blind spots can kill later on). It’s also effort spent that is directly contrary to what a townie is supposed to be doing, which is finding people who are acting scummy and holding their feet to the fire. I get this far less than the fakepeek stuff (though more on that below).) At one point you give Ed a town lean because you agree with his reasoning, that just … argh. It hits every “don’t DO that” nerve I own. > [@](#): > > I don’t think that you see what I was getting at with my pressure of NAF. My objective was to generate strategy discussion that would benefit the village and prevent us from giving the wolves additional free information. It was successful. Well. yes it was. I have doubts that that was really your objective. That “therefore he’s scum” bit, or however you phrased it, looked much more pointed. The whole thing did, really. Did you vote him for purposes of discussion, or did you vote him because he did something that only scum would do? You gave every impression of it being the latter, despite what you’re saying now. > [@](#): > > I am, admittedly, having a tougher time finding wolf candidates than I usually do. It might be because I’m used to higher volume games, or because I usually play with the same people over and over (and over) again and there are so many names that are new to me here. I’m also trying to value my gut instinct less and my logic more, so I’m having to read much more closely and put in a lot more effort instead of going with my “gut feeling” and just running with it/screaming for whoever pinged my wolfdar to get lynched (which is my usual early game scumhunting “strategy”). That said, my top two scum reads right now are Silver Jan and Krayz. Silver Jan just made a classic wolf post (as Special Ed already pointed out, so I won’t repeat what he said but his thought process was nearly identical to mine). Krayz is usually a high volume, excited, hardworking player as a villager, and I’m not seeing that here. He’s just complaining/whining and not actually putting any work in. I think either is a good lynch. > > \*\*[COLOR=“Blue”]vote Silver Jan Silver Jan I understand even if I don’t feel like voting for it, but it’s someone else’s case. Krayz has disputed your characterization; he’s also getting a lot of votes that feel to me as much like “lynch the loud” as like “lynch the scummy” (Mahaloth’s for instance, which is as weak as it has been characterized). Your vote here in that context isn’t reassuring me much. I’m not sure if you missed my reference to your comments on TimeLady or just failed to respond to them: you had a temp clear-or-vote thing going on that she responded to, and I wanted to see what you have to say. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/660 "2011-08-18T18:57:03Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > My point on MykBot was not just that he was promoting a bad idea, but that he was promoting a bad idea _ **and** _ he should have known better. I did not vote the bad idea right away, I questioned him about it, and yet he replied that it was “still on the table”. I waited for further comments from Mykbot to make me change my mind and then I finally voted. I don’t understand why Lilflower characterizes this vote as “lazy”. > > Lilflower’s comment: > is a gross mischaracterization of what I said. It’s not even close to what I said. What I said was, > > No where did I say that Mykbot was telling us to target ourselves every night. And in fact, Mykbot didn’t say anything close to that either. er, ignore my previous question TexCat. This answer is solid imo ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/661 "2011-08-18T18:58:10Z")
> [@MykBot](#): > > Septimus, many night actions return results either to the person who did it, or the person on the receiving end. Role-blocker is an example whose action is detected by target; are there others? It would be nice to read of examples of the special roles in Mystery Mafia. Is there a good link? (I do NOT have the time or energy to read through a whole game.) Anyway, your post did recommend N1 self-targeting for those who didn’t on N0, and that _would_ be a way for Town Vigs to self-destruct, so I’ll leave my vote on you for now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=34)