# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/802 "2011-08-18T21:34:27Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > gd you are a good dad but fuck you are thick as a brick. although the **ed** being scum has crossed my mind. and the typical “i was just trying to get a reaction” thing is a tad bit tired as well. > > and **naf** you don’t think i am that stupid do you? really, you post too little. oh fuck i better pick it up kind of shit wouldn’t stick out. and if i am scum you really think i want to stick out? > > but like i said whenever i exit this beast at least that fucking bit of nonsense can get removed from the table forever. I don’t think you are stupid, I just don’t think you can help it. And thick I may be but my track record for finding scum is really good. I have a problem, I am posting from my phone while at the gym. Ok now I am leaving. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/803 "2011-08-18T21:35:23Z")
**VOTE COUNT** Through post #801 Krayz (7): Drain Bead [489], Meeko/sangaman [493], [del]Scuba\_Ben [498][/del], Mahaloth [540], Idle Thoughts [706], LightFoot [717], Scuba\_Ben [736], Precambrianmollusc [771] TexCat (5): Inner Stickler [473], lilflower [494], MykBot [586], gnarlycharlie [636], Normal Phase [739] peekercpa (4): Giraffe [301], [del]special ed [313][/del], NAF1138 [337], [del]Scuba\_Ben [379][/del], Silver Jan [484], crackedquads [743] Silver Jan (4): special ed [487], DanceCat [513], Episkey [617], bufftabby [795] TimeLady (2): sachertorte [211], Suburban Plankton [352] SisterCoyote (2): TimeLady [648], brewha [750] Mahaloth (1): [del]bufftabby [564][/del], Krayz [597] Dancecat (1): [del]Idle Thoughts [72][/del], [del]Giraffe [250][/del], [del]Normal Phase [497][/del], Scathach [604] Giraffe (1): [del]special ed [51][/del], peekercpa [286], [del]Krayz [418][/del] MykBot (1): [del]Zeriel [21][/del], [del]TimeLady [24][/del], [del]TexCat [459][/del], septimus [601] Scathach (1): GuiriEnEspaña [359] LightFoot (1): Zeriel [375] septimus (1): Askthepizzaguy [477] lilflower (1): TexCat [521] special ed (1): SisterCoyote [562] Suburban Plankton (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [572][/del] Idle Thoughts (0): [del]Krayz [86][/del] GuiriEnEspaña (0): [del]Drain Bead [386][/del] NAF1138 (0): [del]Dancecat [53][/del], [del]Blaster Master [520][/del] Please PM me with any corrections! Night in ~1.5 hours. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/804 "2011-08-18T21:35:33Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Read it out of context or edited out the context? Uhg. Such a bad move on his part. If he’s a wolf he has to realize that taking my quote out of context isn’t just going to go unnoticed, right? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/805 "2011-08-18T21:35:35Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > (Septimus wrote: “Anyway, your post did recommend N1 self-targeting for those who didn’t on N0, and that would be a way for Town Vigs to self-destruct, so I’ll leave my vote on you for now.”) > > Are you still comfortable with your vote? Color me stupid, but MykBot specifically recommended N1 self-targeting and now implies Townies should have known to ignore him! Was his first post then intended as a joke? 😕 But he is not a front-runner. I’d move my vote if I had a clue which, if any, of those front-runners is scummy. Krayz may be acting Crazy; Peeker is still peeker’ I don’t feel the case against TexCat. So I’ll just stand pat and shut down my computer. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/806 "2011-08-18T21:37:39Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > this is scummy. anyone who votes for a bandwagon just to get on on said bandwagon is either spineless town or scum. both of which town is better off eliminating. > > my two cents, of course. No, I want these players to cast votes on meaningful wagons because as it stands it’s going to be very easy for the wolves to come in right before end of day and cause a mislynch. The wolves are also most likely to be the ones on one of the lead wagons trying to push a villager over a wolf. I’m not really concerned about there being wolves amongst a group of players who have a bunch of throwaway votes. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/807 "2011-08-18T21:38:28Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I think the question is whether you would vote for someone actually in danger of being lynched so that you could save yourself. Unless you pair it with > [@crackedquads](#): > > Scathach > peekercpa > septimus > GuiriEnEspaña > Zeriel > Askthepizzaguy > TexCat > SisterCoyote > These people need to vote for a lead wagon imo. Nice repair though. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/808 "2011-08-18T21:39:42Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Read it out of context or edited out the context? Let’s look at the scenarios here. 1.Townie peeker forgot how to read for 1 post. 1. Scum peeker hoped no one, including the original poster would remember what the post actually said. If one then peeker needs to think more before posting. If two then peeker apparently thinks town is populated entirely of wall-lickers. Scum don’t win by assuming town is dumb but town won’t win if we assume the wolves are incapable of strategy either. If it’s a scum ploy it’s as subtle as dropping a baby grand from 10 stories up. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/809 "2011-08-18T21:40:42Z")
Seriously guys, we can’t go into end of day with 4 lead wagons 3 voted before. Just don’t let it happen. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/810 "2011-08-18T21:41:03Z")
> [@SisterCoyote](#): > > But then, I’m paranoid enough that I don’t even trust claimed Masons until one of them is dead, so take that for what it’s worth. > [@Dancecat](#): > > :eek: > > Wow. > > I have never seen this before. I don’t want to derail from more relevant discussions at hand, but I would like to speak with you more about this sometime. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > No derailing, but in a closed setup it’s possible there are no Masons at all, so until you have evidence of the existence of a masonry, it’s possible (although risky and generally insane) that Scum could be pulling a gambit. I’ve seen Scum pull exactly this gambit _in-game_ and win by doing so. We can talk more at NightFall if you’d like. > [@Episkey](#): > > Can you elaborate on what seems off to you? I had a pretty similar thought process as Ed about Jan’s vote. It’s not the thought process. It’s Ed himself, and no, I really can’t elaborate on what’s triggering my “look closely at Ed” feeling. Something was “wrong” about his peeker vote, and it just got worse when he voted Jan. This is, very often, a problem I have during games. My gut says “so-and-so is a Wolf” but when I go back through trying to make a case I have a lot of trouble doing so. > [@NAF1138](#): > > I can’t speak for Sis, but it isn’t the Jan vote by itself that pinged me. It was the whole sequence of events that started with the vote on Peek and ended with the Jan vote. There is something in there that doesn’t match up, and I can’t put my finger on it but there is a wrongness there. I disagree with NAF about peeker; a lot of what peeker does is a null tell to me. That said, though, yes. This. > [@sangaman](#): > > Hello all. I came over from 2p2, as Gadarene said. This is my 5th game of WW. I’m very happy to be included and look forward to a good game. I’m a bit busy now and have only read the first few posts to learn the rules/set-up, but I’ll catch up on the thread as soon as I can and hope to be a productive villager/townie. Or Wolf, if that’s what you are. :dubious: On that note, welcome! > [@crackedquads](#): > > I don’t know how you guys feel about CFD’s (Chinese Fire Drills, lynching a random player late in the day), so I won’t really push this, but just keep note of him. I think we’re none of us very pleased by them but they tend to happen an awful lot, especially in a game where there are claims to be made. > [@crackedquads](#): > > I should add the Episkey put on probably the most memorable wolf performance I’ve seen. You probably shouldn’t clear him at all until he’s claimed by a seer. Ditto Ed. Dear lord, ditto Ed. > [@brewha](#): > > This, however: > > I don’t like it. Latching on to someone else’s reasoning gives her an out if Ed turns up town. Hey, it was Naf’s idea after all! And the reasoning of “just not quite right” is pretty weak to begin with. > > Vote Sister Coyote Bleached for the mod. Yeah, it’s weak reasoning but it is _all I have_ at the moment. Also, I would never, ever claim following someone else’s vote excused mine. Not ever. Not nohow. > [@crackedquads](#): > > These people need to vote for a lead wagon imo. No. I have my vote on the player I feel is Scummiest/Wolfiest. Just because my gut doesn’t jibe with the guts of the people on the leaders doesn’t mean I should change my vote. Yes, it’s a one-off. Yes, it’s against the grain of a lot of people. _However_, my vote, more than anything else I say is the only record that will be available when I die – however I flip – and I’m not going to switch to someone I _don’t_ have a strong feel on either way this early in the game. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/811 "2011-08-18T21:42:22Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Let’s look at the scenarios here. > > 1.Townie peeker forgot how to read for 1 post. > > 1. Scum peeker hoped no one, including the original poster would remember what the post actually said. > > If one then peeker needs to think more before posting. > > If two then peeker apparently thinks town is populated entirely of wall-lickers. > > Scum don’t win by assuming town is dumb but town won’t win if we assume the wolves are incapable of strategy either. If it’s a scum ploy it’s as subtle as dropping a baby grand from 10 stories up. This is what I’m grappling with. It’s essentially a closed case that it was just a mistake if peeker quotes my post and then says “in this post you say you’re not going to vote me…” but he goes farther and physically edits out the rest of that sentence and the sentence after it which provides the whole context. Wolf or villager, why the fuck would he do that? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/812 "2011-08-18T21:43:23Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Unless you pair it with > > Nice repair though. I was actually responding to \*\*peeker \*\*asking why he would vote for one of the lead vote-getters and not really thinking about the list of non-voters. I think there are two discussions going on about who needs to vote and for whom. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/813 "2011-08-18T21:43:49Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > No, I want these players to cast votes on meaningful wagons because as it stands it’s going to be very easy for the wolves to come in right before end of day and cause a mislynch. The wolves are also most likely to be the ones on one of the lead wagons trying to push a villager over a wolf. I’m not really concerned about there being wolves amongst a group of players who have a bunch of throwaway votes. voting for someone you have not/can not make a case on often buys you a noose ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/814 "2011-08-18T21:44:39Z")
Meh, lynch means info and I’m ok with lynching a townie tonight because of wolves swinging the vote as that means Tomorrow I have some nice wolfy vote records to get all up in. We have two possible outcomes: a dead townie or a dead wolf. The second is preferable and I’m certainly gunning for it, but let’s not kid ourselves that if we get the first, everything is wasted. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/815 "2011-08-18T21:44:53Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I was actually responding to \*\*peeker \*\*asking why he would vote for one of the lead vote-getters and not really thinking about the list of non-voters. I think there are two discussions going on about who needs to vote and for whom. But that is not a list of solely non voters ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/816 "2011-08-18T21:45:57Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I was actually responding to \*\*peeker \*\*asking why he would vote for one of the lead vote-getters and not really thinking about the list of non-voters. I think there are two discussions going on about who needs to vote and for whom. Anyone who hasn’t voted needs to vote. There, that was easy. Anyone who has voted and isn’t voting for the candidate _they think is Wolfiest_ needs to reconsider their vote. Also easy. Anyone suggesting someone needs to hop on a bandwagon they don’t believe in and couldn’t back up if they tried (whatever the reason the person is pushing a bandwagon vote) needs to be looked at veeeeeery skeptically. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/817 "2011-08-18T21:46:20Z")
NETA all of them have votes down (I think) ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/818 "2011-08-18T21:47:16Z")
> [@SisterCoyote](#): > > No. > > I have my vote on the player I feel is Scummiest/Wolfiest. Just because my gut doesn’t jibe with the guts of the people on the leaders doesn’t mean I should change my vote. Yes, it’s a one-off. Yes, it’s against the grain of a lot of people. _However_, my vote, more than anything else I say is the only record that will be available when I die – however I flip – and I’m not going to switch to someone I _don’t_ have a strong feel on either way this early in the game. I understand. But when you die, we know your role. You can also freely voice itt who you feel is a villager and who you feel is the wolfiest without always voting for the wolfiest player you feel there is. Sometimes it’s better to go with a worse read for the benefit of the village. If X and Y are lead wagons, X has been neutral and Y has been townie, but you’re convinced Z is a wolf, voting for Z benefits the village in no way. You need to vote for X in order to save Y. You stating “Z is the most likely wolf” is plenty, you don’t have to actually vote for Z every damn day. It wastes a vote that could save villagers. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/819 "2011-08-18T21:49:22Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > \ > Do you guys tend to lock in your votes all day? In POG some random tie scenario in mid day is always going to be resolved and people vote right up until the last minute. > \ Last minute vote switching/voting makes me nervous. It seems like an easy way for scum to bait townies into a vote that isn’t very well thought out. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/820 "2011-08-18T21:49:56Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > NETA all of them have votes down (I think) They do, those are all the people on 1 person wagons. Useless votes. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/821 "2011-08-18T21:50:12Z")
Okay, finally caught up, and I have a few more things to add. I’m inclined to agree with the reasoning earlier that the distributions of votes seems to indicate that it’s likely one or more of the leading candidates at the time was scum. This, along with **scuba\_ben** ’s shifty voting pattern, which appears opportunistic makes me suspicious of him. The most suspicious thing, however, is that after switching off of **Krayz** , he specifically mentions he doesn’t feel those wagons, and then jumps right back on. So, he’s definitely my number one scum candidate. That said, there’s little time left in the day, and I don’t feel like there’s enough time to really make that case, so I’ll leave it off as something to look into tomorrow. Instead, given the wagon distribution, I think one of the leading candidates is scum, and so I also agree that we need to try to consolidate on one of the leaders. To that end, I’ve already expressed my discontent with the **Krayz** and **peeker** wagons, so I’m not going to look at them. The other options are **TexCat** and **Silver Jan**. Running with these two ideas, I think the best place for my vote is one of these two. **TexCat** ’s vote mostly looks like an OMGUS to me, but **Silver Jan** is also on the **peeker** wagon with a sort of me too attitude. As such, of the leading candidates, I’m most suspicious of her, so… **Vote Silver Jan** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=42)