# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/962 "2011-08-19T15:51:10Z")

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> [@Drain\_Bead](#):
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> Gatman.

😉

I would like to point out to the offboarders that all the games we are talking about, for the most part, are games that I linked to early on. We have played a lot of games, but these ones keep coming up because they provide a touchstone for our culture in some way. You want to understand us better? Go take a look at them.

While I am on it, if you want to see a game that was designed with no Seer, check out You-Solve-It. Not just because it was my game, but because it was built in response to the idea that we were all becoming a little to reliant on power roles. It was an attempt to design a pure mafia game that was still balanced. It think it turned out fairly well, all things considered.

We have reasons for why we play the way we do, it’s not because we are naive.

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**Author:** ![MykBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@MykBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MykBot)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/963 "2011-08-19T15:52:07Z")

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Woah wtf, you guys talk at night?

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**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/964 "2011-08-19T15:54:32Z")

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Ah, fond memories. Other than all the time I had to spend catching up as a sub, and despite that we lost (the bad guys won, right?), it was probably the most fun I’ve ever had as scum. That actually claiming Godfather avoided a lynch and then, later, claiming yet another scum role and avoiding lynch again was just bizarre and awesome.

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**Author:** ![MykBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@MykBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MykBot)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/965 "2011-08-19T15:55:13Z")

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I see there are rules about night talking. Interesting.

Anyone seen Senna yet?

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/966 "2011-08-19T15:55:14Z")

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> [@MykBot](#):
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> Woah wtf, you guys talk at night?

Yeah, longer nights lead to chatter as a way to keep people engaged. Usually no game talk is allowed, sometimes game talk is allowed. Not everyone participates either way. It’s a social game, we like to be social.

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**Author:** ![MykBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@MykBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MykBot)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/967 "2011-08-19T15:57:09Z")

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Can someone link me to a game that has a lot of the people in this game in it? I’m pretty intrigued by your strats over here.

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**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/968 "2011-08-19T16:02:17Z")

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The “it’s ok to keep your vote on a wagon near eod that clearly isn’t a candidate to be lynched” strategy is vastly different than what we are used to. Are we allowed to compare/contrast those two strategies Gad?

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**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/969 "2011-08-19T16:03:25Z")

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Also, I kind of like the talk at night just not about the game thing. Lets you chat with people without having to be worrying about if others have ulterior motives etc

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**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/970 "2011-08-19T16:04:12Z")

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> [@MykBot](#):
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> Can someone link me to a game that has a lot of the people in this game in it? I’m pretty intrigued by your strats over here.

[Here’s](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=426256) the famous “Cult of Sekham” game that a lot of us played in. That was a huge game (with a lot of posts too).

It has a huge number of memorable moments.

There’s also an archive of past games at my boards: [www.idlemafia.com](http://www.idlemafia.com)

Better ones (in my opinion) were: Batman, Firefly, and any of the Conspiracy ones.

Conspiracy is a series run by Pleonast. He’s up to IV now.  
The first one was run on here and that’s a good one too:

> **[Mafia: The Conspiracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=436661)**
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> The Conspiracy The Town of Cecilwich is a quaint little village in an isolated corner of New England. Life has been peaceful, if cliquish. Until last Night that is, when Mayor Cecil was brutally murdered. In fact, rumors whisper that he was...

Great, great game.

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/971 "2011-08-19T16:09:27Z")

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> [@MykBot](#):
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> Can someone link me to a game that has a lot of the people in this game in it? I’m pretty intrigued by your strats over here.

[http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Gaming\_History](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Gaming_History)

Links to a whole heck of a lot of games, chronologically by board. It’s a smallish group so any of the recent games should have a lot of the same people playing in them.

Other than Batman, Cult of Seekham, Ragnarock and You-Solve-It I would look at any of the Conspiracy games, Crimson Glyph, Evil Dead, or Marvel Civil War.

I took a long-ish break recently and had slowed down my playing a lot before I officially took a break, so someone else can help you out with the most recent games.

Look at the earliest SDMB and Idlemafia games for a feeling of how a lot of the stuff we do came to be.

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**Author:** ![MykBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@MykBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MykBot)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/972 "2011-08-19T16:12:08Z")

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Thanks.

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/973 "2011-08-19T16:12:18Z")

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The current game here is interesting, in part for another culture clash. Can’t say more than that as I’m still alive in it.

Evil Dead II was a fun town romp (if you were a townie). It’s here.

So is Screamers, probably my favorite game of all time.

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**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/974 "2011-08-19T16:13:16Z")

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Gatman was one of my first ever games. For example of actual GOOD play on my part, check out [Colorless Mafia](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=542249&highlight=colorless+mafia), otherwise known as Why Peeker Should Never Be Vig.

I was Scum in that game, but it’s hard for me to find a previous game that I wasn’t Scum in. The last time I remember being Town, I was killed the first Night. The time before that was the Cecil Pond debacle, I think. I always joke about roleblockers because I think I’ve played a roleblocker in pretty much every game over on Idle, including being Scum roleblocker three games in a row.

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**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/975 "2011-08-19T16:16:37Z")

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> [@Episkey](#):
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> The “it’s ok to keep your vote on a wagon near eod that clearly isn’t a candidate to be lynched” strategy is vastly different than what we are used to. Are we allowed to compare/contrast those two strategies Gad?

Absolutely, as long as you don’t talk about this specific game.

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**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/976 "2011-08-19T16:17:02Z")

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> [@Drain\_Bead](#):
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> **otherwise known as Why Peeker Should Never Be Vig.**

Our massive Harry Potter game ended recently, and my favorite part of postgame was this (I guess I can’t post images?):

[http://images.memegenerator.net/Instance/Preview?imageID=20&text0=GET%20RANDED%20VIG%20IN%20HARRY%20POTTER&text1=KILL%20RON%20HARRY%20POTTER%20AND%20DUMBLEDORE](http://images.memegenerator.net/Instance/Preview?imageID=20&text0=GET%20RANDED%20VIG%20IN%20HARRY%20POTTER&text1=KILL%20RON%20HARRY%20POTTER%20AND%20DUMBLEDORE)  
One of the village vigs killed Ron, Harry, and Dumbledore lol

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**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/977 "2011-08-19T16:19:42Z")

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> [@Episkey](#):
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> Our massive Harry Potter game ended recently, and my favorite part of postgame was this (I guess I can’t post images?):
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> [http://images.memegenerator.net/Instance/Preview?imageID=20&text0=GET%20RANDED%20VIG%20IN%20HARRY%20POTTER&text1=KILL%20RON%20HARRY%20POTTER%20AND%20DUMBLEDORE](http://images.memegenerator.net/Instance/Preview?imageID=20&text0=GET%20RANDED%20VIG%20IN%20HARRY%20POTTER&text1=KILL%20RON%20HARRY%20POTTER%20AND%20DUMBLEDORE)  
> One of the village vigs killed Ron, Harry, and Dumbledore lol

That was so hilarious and terrible. Village still won, though (I was Neville! Go me!). And both Snape (who’s Silman here) and Voldem\*rt had some of the most powerful roles I’ve ever seen; kudos to the mods for designing them.

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**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/978 "2011-08-19T16:21:46Z")

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> [@Gadarene](#):
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> Absolutely, as long as you don’t talk about this specific game.

Cool.

As I’ve said, this is my first mafia game not on that forum so the “you better vote someone who is a possibility to be lynched” method has been beaten over my head for as long as I’ve played. I’ve never really asked for an in-depth explanation as of why - though what I’ve essentially been told is it forcing people to make votes in turn giving more information to analyze.

I think this cultural difference from the two boards is just as interesting as the fakepeek one.

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**Author:** ![TimeLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@TimeLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeLady)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/979 "2011-08-19T16:22:00Z")

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And I was filch

fucking powerless filch

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/980 "2011-08-19T16:22:39Z")

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> [@Episkey](#):
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> The “it’s ok to keep your vote on a wagon near eod that clearly isn’t a candidate to be lynched” strategy is vastly different than what we are used to. Are we allowed to compare/contrast those two strategies Gad?

Since we got the all clear. I don’t know that I would say it’s ok, just that is isn’t terrible depending on circumstance. You have to be prepaired to stand by your vote, and I for one am not going to vote for someone I don’t want to see lynched. If none of the lynch candidates look like a good lynch to me then I will happily place a one off vote for who I think should be lynched. I think this provides better more easily readable data over the course of several Days than everyone being forced onto one wagon or another. If someone never gets on a wagon that looks bad for them too. One of the first things I look at when doing voting analysis is who has been consistently placing “safe” votes.

It’s easier to hide in a large bandwagon, and I don’t mind the occasional townie being lynched because if it was done via scum manipulation that almost always ends up coming out in the end. Townies die, it’s part of their job and it’s part of the game. The best thing they can do is leave as clear and transparent a record as possible so we have useful data to sort out when the game gets to the end stages.

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**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/981 "2011-08-19T16:24:18Z")

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> [@Gadarene](#):
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> That was so hilarious and terrible. Village still won, though (I was Neville! Go me!). And both Snape (who’s Silman here) and Voldem\*rt had some of the most powerful roles I’ve ever seen; kudos to the mods for designing them.

I talked to Dean and Monkey about that. We all agree Silman’s role was the most broken thing in the history of things.

For those on this board, Silman was Severus Snape. He was a cop who ALSO tracked/watched his target AND was unable to be investigated by the scum team.  
I found humor in the Poisonous Godfather Seer Vig role (Voldemort) complaining about it though haha

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