# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1022 "2011-08-19T17:24:38Z")
i really believe now that both the speed AND size of your games have influenced your play. i look forward to playing there soon. i don’t know what i’d do though if i were a seer.:eek: i’m also interested to play in **askthepizzaguy** ’s board. very large games too. play is more like ours but with two or three deaths a Night. lots of mayhem.😃 by the way, are 2+2 and pog the same or two boards with the same players? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1023 "2011-08-19T17:26:41Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I never even notice the vanilla games anymore. Return of the faithful was the best one I’ve played in pog, imo. > > In that game timelady was a neutral suicide cult leader who successfully recruited enough players (13 out of 59 iirc) and then they all died and she left the game victorious. > > [http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/return-faithful-game-thread-1062152/](http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/return-faithful-game-thread-1062152/) You know, it wasn’t that she drove me to suicide game that annoyed me. It was the fact that I sent her a pm saying how I “even wrote in rhyme for her and she did that to me sigh gg” and she didn’t even respond. It annoys me when I try to be nice and someone just ignores me lol Though I think she believes my constant talk of “vote timelady” is me just trying to fit in or actual spite for it, which its not. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1024 "2011-08-19T17:28:31Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > And I would love for the next day to end sooner than Tuesday, for a variety of personal preference reasons. The one that counts though is start my final semester on Tuesday and will miss most of the day, and I think I’ll be in class at EOD. Tuesday is literally perfect for me though haha. I’m moving across the country starting sat or sun depending on how quickly I can start avoiding spending my time playing mafia and pack, and won’t be available until mon night or tuesday. But if most people feel mon is better it’s no big deal I understand etc. Just know I basically won’t be around ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1025 "2011-08-19T17:29:54Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i really believe now that both the speed AND size of your games have influenced your play. i look forward to playing there soon. i don’t know what i’d do though if i were a seer.:eek: > > i’m also interested to play in **askthepizzaguy** ’s board. very large games too. play is more like ours but with two or three deaths a Night. lots of mayhem.😃 > > by the way, are 2+2 and pog the same or two boards with the same players? POG = puzzles and other games, and is a subforum on the main forum of 2+2 I think your point is right. Quick and large games create a need for rushed and thin votes etc ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1026 "2011-08-19T17:37:19Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > What happened in that game, peeker? Did you vig-Kill the Doc followed by a claimed Cop? Or worse? :eek: i think i just killed 4 townies in 4 Nights. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1027 "2011-08-19T17:38:24Z")
and maybe you folks already talked about this and i missed. do the folks from the other board put more value on the seer finding scum or confirming townies? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1028 "2011-08-19T17:44:43Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Our turbo games are something like 20 minute days and 10 minute nights. That is crazy! I can barely figure out who is scum over the course of an entire game. I cannot imagine what horrible votes I would make in just 20 minutes. What is the strategy? Is it just that you all know each other well enough to get a quick read? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1029 "2011-08-19T17:45:48Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and maybe you folks already talked about this and i missed. do the folks from the other board put more value on the seer finding scum or confirming townies? Good question. I think I’m biased towards finding scum as a cop only because when I got the advice from Ulla to try and confirm town, she was a scum. I don’t trust anything she said in that game! ---
**Author:** ![TimeLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@TimeLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeLady)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1030 "2011-08-19T17:56:21Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > You know, it wasn’t that she drove me to suicide game that annoyed me. It was the fact that I sent her a pm saying how I “even wrote in rhyme for her and she did that to me sigh gg” and she didn’t even respond. It annoys me when I try to be nice and someone just ignores me lol > > Though I think she believes my constant talk of “vote timelady” is me just trying to fit in or actual spite for it, which its not. :crazy:, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to offend you ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1031 "2011-08-19T17:57:37Z")
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**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1032 "2011-08-19T17:58:30Z")
Very exciting!!! ---
**Author:** ![TimeLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@TimeLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeLady)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1033 "2011-08-19T18:00:20Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > That is crazy! I can barely figure out who is scum over the course of an entire game. I cannot imagine what horrible votes I would make in just 20 minutes. What is the strategy? Is it just that you all know each other well enough to get a quick read? Well, it depends on whom you peek on n0. The general strategy for a seer is to get a lock on the game, that being either by peeking all remaining scum or to have enough peeked villagers that no matter what order people lynch each other in, scum will always lose because there are too many peeked villagers. You can’t get a lock on the game by peeking a mixture of the two, so if n0 you peek a scum, the rest of the game you try to peek scum players, if you peek townie you try to peek townie. If you don’t have a n0 peek, I tend to try to peek townie because there’s a lot more of them in the game, but I try to peek from my “I have no idea” pile. Another general strategy to be combined with this is that you peek people who live until late game quite a lot, because you really don’t want your peeks dying early. Similarly, you don’t really peek a person who got a lot of heat d1, because it would be really hard to defend that person if they were a townie the next day without outting yourself as the seer, and if you peek them as a scum then they’re gonna get heat with or without you. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1034 "2011-08-19T18:00:26Z")
> [@TimeLady](#): > > :crazy:, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to offend you haha never offended, just annoyed … however ridiculous it is to be so. I read that after posting it just now, and it sounds absolutely ridiculous. I understand the :crazy: face. My bad. We cool ❤ ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1035 "2011-08-19T18:00:33Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > That is crazy! I can barely figure out who is scum over the course of an entire game. I cannot imagine what horrible votes I would make in just 20 minutes. What is the strategy? Is it just that you all know each other well enough to get a quick read? It’s a general mix of the same players but there’s a large enough pool of them to keep the games interesting. There’s still usually a couple who are unknown/very new. So the regular players are able to figure eachother out fairly well, and the new players are generally much easier to read (figure out from their posts). Not sure if the W/L distribution for the town is the same as it is for regular games (50/50), but I’ve only played in one turbo myself and was mislynched as a townie very quickly because one of the other regular players (who was also a townie) was convinced I was playing differently than I normally do. You’re forced to make quick judgments and run with them. > [@peekercpa](#): > > and maybe you folks already talked about this and i missed. do the folks from the other board put more value on the seer finding scum or confirming townies? I’ve never been a seer myself, but I believe the general consensus is to peek (investigate) the players who are likely to be around until the end of the game, so your investigations will be useful. What you really don’t want to do is peek the strong regular players in the first couple of days because they often end up being night killed by the wolves. If those strong regular are still around after 4-5 days, then the likelihood of them being a wolf goes up drastically because the wolf team should have just killed them by now. So investigate middle of the pack players so when you do reveal them after a few days, they’re all likely to still be alive and you can actually give useful information to the village. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1036 "2011-08-19T18:02:42Z")
Turbos are absolute chaos, but are so much fun. It helps you develop and process thin reads, which is helpful with our 1 rl day game days ---
**Author:** ![TimeLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@TimeLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeLady)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1037 "2011-08-19T18:03:08Z")
fyi, I didn’t edit that post, I just hit the edit button by accident Idk if a mod wants to/can confirm this ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1038 "2011-08-19T18:04:22Z")
> [@TimeLady](#): > > fyi, I didn’t edit that post, I just hit the edit button by accident > > Idk if a mod wants to/can confirm this Always causing trouble. ---
**Author:** ![TimeLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@TimeLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeLady)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1039 "2011-08-19T18:04:56Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > haha never offended, just annoyed … however ridiculous it is to be so. > > I read that after posting it just now, and it sounds absolutely ridiculous. I understand the :crazy: face. My bad. We cool ❤ 🙂 I know it sounds dickish, but I had a LOT of PMs from that game from everyone at various points, and yours may have got lost in the shuffle I really did appreciate the poem, fyi. That sort of thing makes me very happy ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1040 "2011-08-19T18:07:31Z")
I generally try to investigate from the neutral type people. If you line up all the players left in the game in a list from most townie to most scummy: Lock Town Lock Town Lock Town Probably Town Probably Town No clue No Clue No Clue No Clue Possibly Scummy Possibly Scummy Lock Scum Lock Sum The scummy people are the ones most likely to resolve themselves since they will be wagoned in the next few days. You don’t want to waste investigations by having them on dead people, and you don’t want to find out someone “probably scum” is actually a townie as force yourself to claim to prevent a mislynch. The Lock town members are most likely to be NK’d by scum, so you don’t want to peek them either. But if you pick from the No Clue section, you find out important info on their role and interactions with people AND have an investigation that should be useful into the end game. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1041 "2011-08-19T18:08:43Z")
I guess what I’m saying is I don’t try to find just Town or just Scum, but to resolves unsure roles that should be useful late game helping us lock it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=53)