# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1122 "2011-08-19T21:03:23Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Well, one wolf down is good..but the loss of the Vig is a bummer. Or a Vig, if there’s more than one. > > Never heard of a Journalist role before, is that common? Yes, yes, yes, and I don’t think it is, though sometimes according to the Wiki a Lie Detector will be called a Journalist. Clearly not the case here. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Also, Dancecat really is a Villager, apparently. > Someone must have targeted me in telling me this info (unless everyone got it). > > It didn’t have anything to do with my Night action since it yielded no result. Sigh. > [@TexCat](#): > > Interesting that Mahaloth was both shot and poisoned. I assume that means at least two people targeted him last night, a vig and a poisoner. Guiri, I would think, would be a good target for the scum, particularly if they are mostly from around here. Is Silman a likely scum target? > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i wonder if the N0 action was on **mahaloth**. poison in my experience is a delayed effect. What charlie said. Also, I wouldn’t assume anything about who killed whom at this point, though I am somewhat reassured that you came back with the realization Scum could have had multiple kills. Or we could have a Serial Killer. Or more than one Vig. I will probably be returning to my vote on Ed from yesterDay, but I need to plow back through the Day to see if I can solidify my case any. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1123 "2011-08-19T21:13:52Z")
Bah… I preview, I see **Inner Stickler** already beat me to the colored vote count, so I deleted that. Okay, I really have to head home now, but some quick observations. 1. **Mahaloth** is on **Krayz** , so there was scum on that wagon. Was he there because it was an easy vote or because he was protecting scum that was another vote leader? I think this leads credence to the idea that one of the top vote getters was scum. 2. **Silman** did not vote and had no votes on him. Maybe scum targetted him hoping to give no info away? Maybe he looked suspicious and was targetted by town for not having voted? Maybe a PFK targetted him knowing it would leave no trail? I think it’s a wash where it might have come from. 3. **Guiri** voted for **Scathach** but was the only one to do so and it was early in the day. If it was targetted by scum, I don’t think it says anything either way for **Scathach**. I’m not really sure what it means if he was killed by someone else. Long story short, I’m even more suspicious of the **Krayz** wagon. So, on top of my reasons from Yesterday, this makes me even more suspicious of **Scuba\_Ben** since **Krayz** is the one he switched off of, said he had a townie lean on, then switched back onto. I also think this means we need to look at the other top vote-getters closer, **TexCat** , **peeker** , and **Silver Jan**. If the **Krayz** wagon was created by scum, it’s likely that it was to protect one of them. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1124 "2011-08-19T21:15:48Z")
As **texcat** , **silver jan** , and **peeker** were the leading candidates behind **krayz** , I’m betting at least one of those folks is scum. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1125 "2011-08-19T21:16:39Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > No idea if this is relevant or not, but since we’re talking about colors right now, DanceCat is a **Villager** , apparently. Assuming you’re telling the truth, I don’t think that color means anything, since Villager is also listed in green in the deaths. It’s certainly weird that the role is in blue and town/scum is green/red when I’m used to blue/red, but I think looking more into it at this point doesn’t mean anything. …and for real, leaving now. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1126 "2011-08-19T21:18:10Z")
I love this fakepeek thing, it gives me the grins and giggles. If I am a seer, LightFoot is a Villager. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1127 "2011-08-19T21:19:54Z")
Also, by vote analysis of when Mahaloth entered the voting, **vote SilverJan** By that same analysis, if Silver flips scum, peeker is more likely town. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1128 "2011-08-19T21:23:30Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I also think this means we need to look at the other top vote-getters closer, **TexCat** , **peeker** , and **Silver Jan**. If the **Krayz** wagon was created by scum, it’s likely that it was to protect one of them. The rest I snipped. **Maha** was the third vote on **Krayz** , though, so pretty early-ish considering. If scum did try to divert votes from someone else, I’d think there’d be at least one other scum on the train, probably somewhere nearing the end (when the last minute votes would make the biggest difference). ---
**Author:** ![sangaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@sangaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangaman)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1129 "2011-08-19T21:25:34Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Also, Dancecat really is a Villager, apparently. > Someone must have targeted me in telling me this info (unless everyone got it). > > It didn’t have anything to do with my Night action since it yielded no result. I guess nobody else got a message like this last night (or n0)? Maybe whoever sent that to you picked Dancecat with his first action to peek him and then you with his second action to send that info? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1130 "2011-08-19T21:26:17Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I love this fakepeek thing, it gives me the grins and giggles. If I am a seer, LightFoot is a Villager. I don’t get it. I still say it’s flawed. What’s someone supposed to do if they’re the seer and they actually hit paydirt? How about this: **crackedquads** is a wolf. Now if he happens to turn up as a wolf, I guess I’m the seer then, right? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1131 "2011-08-19T21:28:31Z")
> [@sangaman](#): > > I guess nobody else got a message like this last night (or n0)? Maybe whoever sent that to you picked Dancecat with his first action to peek him and then you with his second action to send that info? The way the rules read, though, I was assuming (yes, I know what assuming usually does. :p) everyone only had one Night action. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1132 "2011-08-19T21:29:05Z")
Either Guiri or Silman was the main wolf night kill. I believe the other was a wolf vigilante kill for reasons I’ll get to. I believe we’re looking at a pretty POG-heavy scum team for the following reasons: 1. In our recent Harry Potter game, the village won largely on the back of a player named “Chips Ahoy”, who was an amazing villager. The main aspect of his game was to keep the village organized: vote charts, charts showing the cleared people (and reasons), etc. His organization in that game helped the villager keep their heads in the right place and kept chaos from occurring. Guiri made this post at the end of day: > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Looking at the top candidates and paraphrasing the reasons given for voting them: > > Krayz (7): > Drain Bead [489] - for his multiple smudges and soft clears > Meeko/sangaman [493] - for not playing the game, being pretentious > Mahaloth [540] - he’s pinging him > Idle Thoughts [706] - for not contributing but making accusations without reasoning, for his off behavior > LightFoot [717] - for not responding to his questions about his posts > Scuba\_Ben [736] - initially for his smudges, later for his smudges again > Precambrianmollusc [771] - the smudges > > TexCat (5): > Inner Stickler [473] - for voting someone for having a bad idea > lilflower [494] - for misreading **MykBot** ’s post and a lazy vote for a bad idea > MykBot [586] - for misrepresenting his posts > gnarlycharlie [636] - for her vote on **MykBot** , opportunistic > Normal Phase [739] - for misrepresenting **MykBot** ’s posts > > Silver Jan (5): > special ed [487] - for her vote on **Peeker** , lazy and easy > DanceCat [513] - same reasons as **Special Ed** > Episkey [617] - same reasons as **Special Ed** , for ignoring **Peeker** ’s reasons for not being himself > bufftabby [795] - for lack of content and opportunistic vote > blastermaster[820] - for a me too vote, best of top candidates > > **peekercpa** (4): > Giraffe [301] - opportunistic voting > NAF1138 [337] - not being antagonistic > Silver Jan [484] - for changing his play style since getting 3 votes > crackedquads [743] - best of the lynch candidates, suspects scum backed off earlier wagon > > I’m not swayed. I’d vote Maha as an alternative to Scatach. Which is very similar to the type of things Chips would post in the HP game - except even a tad more in depth. Note: In this post Guiri stated he’d possibly vote for Maha, which leads me to believe his vig shot went to Maha and not Silman. My conclusion: IF Guiri is not thought of here as an elite Town member or a frequent night 1 kill, then I believe a large amount of POG members comprise the wolf team: They have Chips’ performance still etched in their mind and are not about to make the same mistake the wolf team in Harry Potter made (keeping him alive). 1. Silman is a very, very good town player. However, he had not done anything to make me think you guys here would know that. But I also don’t think he was very scummy either, so I don’t think anyone from this board would have targeted him. Which is why I think his death is the direct result of a POGger. I don’t think any Town POGger targets Silman when there’s a possibility we would kill him. Therefore, I believe a POGger on the scum team killed him. **Overall conclusion: I believe POGers comprise a large # of the scum team due to the deaths of Guiri (based off of the recent Chips’ crushing game on POG) and the Silman kill.** ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1133 "2011-08-19T21:31:12Z")
> [@sangaman](#): > > I guess nobody else got a message like this last night (or n0)? Maybe whoever sent that to you picked Dancecat with his first action to peek him and then you with his second action to send that info? My first guess is that Dancecat has some sort of broadcasting role. When he targets a player, he tells them his alignment. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1134 "2011-08-19T21:32:30Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > My first guess is that Dancecat has some sort of broadcasting role. When he targets a player, he tells them his alignment. That thought crossed my mind too, but how would she (I’m pretty sure she said she was a “she” earlier) know it did that? Unless she was just taking the chance and it worked out well like that. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1135 "2011-08-19T21:34:05Z")
Why should she have to know? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1136 "2011-08-19T21:35:00Z")
Quick thoughts before the weekend. My suspicion of TimeLady is still there, but no one else seems to care so I’m not going to harp on that. If someone wants to lynch TimeLady, I’ll join that wagon. NAF’s switcheroo from Bad Idea to “for effect” annoys me. I was fine with NAF having a Bad Idea, and my read of Day One is that he acknowledged it as a Bad Idea and then moved on. But late in Day One he says something about the idea being put out there “for effect.” I don’t like that at all. NAF? Any comments? Blaster Master said something during the night that caught my eye. Blaster Master voted for (I think NAF) for a Bad Idea, which as you are probably tired of, annoys me in general. I think it is opportunistic and I think Blaster Master should have known better. The resolution as I see it was that Blaster Master had been absent during the time that we moved past Bad Ideas as a votable offense. Then during the Night Blaster Master specifically refers to a former game and says > [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Yeah, I’m sure it was you and **Queuing** vs. me and someone else. And we were all absolutely convinced the other side was scum, as we hadn’t figured out that bad idea doesn’t equal scum, and of course the real scum were just sitting back and laughing. The only reason I won out was because I was the Vig and so I was verifiable and you got lynched. God, I was frustrated then, but it’s pretty educational looking back on it, and funny knowing just how terribly we were playing. So I read this as Blaster Master is fully aware that bad ideas are not a good indicator of scum. Yet he voted for NAF for a Bad Idea on Day One. **vote Blaster Master** ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1137 "2011-08-19T21:37:31Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Why should she have to know? She wouldn’t..in which case–like I said–it’d be a pretty nice coincidence for her. Target a person who voted for her most of the previous Day and it just happens to tell them she’s Town. If she couldn’t have known that, then it worked out pretty well. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1138 "2011-08-19T21:38:45Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Either Guiri or Silman was the main wolf night kill. I believe the other was a wolf vigilante kill for reasons I’ll get to. > > I believe we’re looking at a pretty POG-heavy scum team for the following reasons: > > 1. In our recent Harry Potter game, the village won largely on the back of a player named “Chips Ahoy”, who was an amazing villager. The main aspect of his game was to keep the village organized: vote charts, charts showing the cleared people (and reasons), etc. His organization in that game helped the villager keep their heads in the right place and kept chaos from occurring. > > Guiri made this post at the end of day: > > Which is very similar to the type of things Chips would post in the HP game - except even a tad more in depth. > > Note: In this post Guiri stated he’d possibly vote for Maha, which leads me to believe his vig shot went to Maha and not Silman. > > My conclusion: IF Guiri is not thought of here as an elite Town member or a frequent night 1 kill, then I believe a large amount of POG members comprise the wolf team: They have Chips’ performance still etched in their mind and are not about to make the same mistake the wolf team in Harry Potter made (keeping him alive). > > 1. Silman is a very, very good town player. However, he had not done anything to make me think you guys here would know that. But I also don’t think he was very scummy either, so I don’t think anyone from this board would have targeted him. Which is why I think his death is the direct result of a POGger. I don’t think any Town POGger targets Silman when there’s a possibility we would kill him. Therefore, I believe a POGger on the scum team killed him. > > **Overall conclusion: I believe POGers comprise a large # of the scum team due to the deaths of Guiri (based off of the recent Chips’ crushing game on POG) and the Silman kill.** **guiri** is an excellent player. if the POG wolves think he’s the only one on our board who does this, they’re in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1139 "2011-08-19T21:38:49Z")
{oog} I’ve got to drive to Chicago for a funeral. I might be awol most of the weekend, but I will have my laptop to check in, but family is more important. Late Sunday and Monday after work will be fine for me, so I’ll still have full participation in the Day. Let’s try to keep the Day under 1000 posts though, shall we? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1140 "2011-08-19T21:42:06Z")
So now I’d wager that we look at our N1 results (or lack thereof) and look at the deceased and begin to eliminate what we “aren’t” by what we didn’t do last night? Can someone more familiar with this set-up add to my list? And do we expect there to be more than one of each on the Village side? roles vig confirmed one vig dead poisoner confirmed one wolf poisoned dead (and shot btw) bureaucrat confirmed one lynched journalist confirmed one dead tracker confirmed one dead seer assumed Doc/Angel a assumed ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1141 "2011-08-19T21:42:18Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > **Vote Krayz** > > for the whole fakeppeking / smudging thing. > > Day one lynches are always for horrible reasons. Looking back through the Krayz wagon, this vote is the worst of the worst imo. This is his first post of the game, yet he manages to not only pick the lead wagon and sponges the reasons of others, he then goes on to say he knows it for horrible reasons. HE KNOWS IT FOR HORRIBLE REASONS YET HE VOTES FOR HIM ANYWAYS. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=58)