# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1162 "2011-08-19T22:27:30Z")
No peeks, not even fakepeeks, if that’s what you’re getting at. There were times going over DanceCat’s posts yesterday (and those talking to her), that I was wondering if I was going after the wrong person in that grouping of Giraffe --\> DanceCat --\> NAF; this is just one reason to think I may have been. I have no time to pull posts, but I think most of it was said yesterday by others. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1163 "2011-08-19T22:38:04Z")
Waiting to see \*\* Dancecat’s \*\* information. A \*\* Dc \*\* DID self target Night 0 & learned this ability = (not sure @ the choice of recipient?) B \*\* Dc \*\* not so randomly chose \*\*Idle \*\* not caring if he was helped or harmed? C They are both Wolves trying on villagers clothing? When I get home from work tonight I’ll go back and see what **Dc** ‘s stand was on how/who to target blindly. Even IF **Dc** self targeted they would have NO idear if it was someone else that sent that information or it was a product of anothers Night Action. AND this all hinges on IF that was the ONE Night Action that went through Night 0. It bears more research But I don’t have time at the moment ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1164 "2011-08-19T22:39:33Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > But you didn’t just put out the idea. _You acted on it_. You revealed your target, which encourages others to do the same. > If you truly thought it was a good idea. I can follow that. > But if you did it “for effect,” then acting on it and asking others to do the same doesn’t make sense. It was both. It was an idea that seemed good enough that I proposed it. I acted on it to show that I was offering it in good faith. If I thought it was terrible I wouldn’t have suggested it. The fact that I was thinking to try to find ideas like that to suggest was to get the town rolling along. I suggested an idea that I thought sounded risky but had a potential high upside in order to get people reacting so I could get a better read. I don’t see how those ideas are mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1165 "2011-08-19T22:59:59Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > So now I’d wager that we look at our N1 results (or lack thereof) and look at the deceased and begin to eliminate what we “aren’t” by what we didn’t do last night? > Can someone more familiar with this set-up add to my list? > And do we expect there to be more than one of each on the Village side? > > roles > vig confirmed one vig dead > poisoner confirmed one wolf poisoned dead (and shot btw) > bureaucrat confirmed one lynched > journalist confirmed one dead > tracker confirmed one dead > seer assumed > Doc/Angel a assumed I hope you aren’t asking any of us to actually reveal anything. I assume you mean that we do all of this in our heads, right? I don’t think we should be revealing any Night action results (and as usual, my suggestion is too late for **Idle**!). ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1166 "2011-08-19T23:02:42Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I also think this means we need to look at the other top vote-getters closer, **TexCat** , **peeker** , and **Silver Jan**. If the **Krayz** wagon was created by scum, it’s likely that it was to protect one of them. \ posting as i catch up. this i agree with. and although i know this and a buck might get you a cup of coffee. since i know that i am town then i only have to look at two. and i just got a little wiggle but want to see if it make sense of any further comments. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1167 "2011-08-19T23:03:37Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Everyone did not get it because I didn’t, but I’m happy to see my read was correct. What makes you think **Idle** is even telling the truth? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1168 "2011-08-19T23:06:03Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I hope you aren’t asking any of us to actually reveal anything. I assume you mean that we do all of this in our heads, right? I don’t think we should be revealing any Night action results (and as usual, my suggestion is too late for **Idle**!). I was asking others more familiar withthe game to add other roles they would assume to see. My list merely shows what we currently know/assume And no it was not a call for ANY kind of a claim just spitballin’ and giving others something to think about ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1169 "2011-08-19T23:10:23Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > My conclusion: IF Guiri is not thought of here as an elite Town member or a frequent night 1 kill, then I believe a large amount of POG members comprise the wolf team: They have Chips’ performance still etched in their mind and are not about to make the same mistake the wolf team in Harry Potter made (keeping him alive). > [/COLOR]\*\* guiri is a very strong player. your analysis is spot on regarding **guiri** being an elite player (and for ffs don’t let him know i said that). however, i am unsure as to the rest of your post. most poggers probably don’t know him from squat. i’d almost make the counter argument that most scum are dopers because they know how dangerouss the bastard can be. especially if he has some sort of unknown power. alas, if i had to pick a town vig **guiri** would be the choice. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1170 "2011-08-19T23:11:32Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > What makes you think **Idle** is even telling the truth? If Idle is town then he posted what he got in the PM. If he’s scum, he knows whether dancecat is scum or not and if dancecat gets killed and flips scum then Idle’s either lying or his PM had wrong information. So we probably lynch him. If Idle dies and flips scum then we don’t really know anything about dancecat because he could be trying to cover a scum buddy or accurately reporting what he knows from dancecat not being scum. I think it’s highly unlikely that they’re two scum trying to pull a gambit. It could too easily blow up in their face. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1171 "2011-08-19T23:12:42Z")
Forgot to mention, if there’s misinformation in the PMs then it’s a Gastard game and I’m gonna take it even less seriously than I already am. DYFC ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1172 "2011-08-19T23:15:48Z")
holy fuck. i am sure **guiri** will be borderline intolerable for the near future. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1173 "2011-08-19T23:21:15Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > If Idle is town then he posted what he got in the PM. If he’s scum, he knows whether dancecat is scum or not and if dancecat gets killed and flips scum then Idle’s either lying or his PM had wrong information. So we probably lynch him. Agreed. And I doubt \*\*Idle \*\*would make this play because he could easily be caught. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > If Idle dies and flips scum then we don’t really know anything about dancecat because he could be trying to cover a scum buddy or accurately reporting what he knows from dancecat not being scum. Agreed. This is the scenario that keeps me from believing him (although I would like to since it would be good to have a confirmed townie still in the game). > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I think it’s highly unlikely that they’re two scum trying to pull a gambit. It could too easily blow up in their face. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1174 "2011-08-19T23:24:09Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Agreed. This is the scenario that keeps me from believing him (although I would like to since it would be good to have a confirmed townie still in the game). I know I posted it but I would be very surprised if both DC and IT are scum. It throws way too much attention on just the two of them. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1175 "2011-08-19T23:40:12Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > What makes you think **Idle** is even telling the truth? I don’t believe it makes sense for Idle to lie about it regardless of his/her role. 1. If Idle is Town, Idle would never tell us incorrect information 2. If Idle is Scum, it wouldn’t make sense to lie as s/s because it would throw extreme skepticism on him if DC flipped scum. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1176 "2011-08-19T23:42:42Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I don’t get it. > > I still say it’s flawed. > > What’s someone supposed to do if they’re the seer and they actually hit paydirt? Post real results. The idea is that if you’re NOT the seer, you just post any old crap. > [@](#): > > How about this: > > **crackedquads** is a wolf. > > Now if he happens to turn up as a wolf, I guess I’m the seer then, right? The opposite–if you die and turn up the seer, then he’s a known wolf. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1177 "2011-08-19T23:42:53Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > guiri is a very strong player. your analysis is spot on regarding **guiri** being an elite player (and for ffs don’t let him know i said that). however, i am unsure as to the rest of your post. most poggers probably don’t know him from squat. i’d almost make the counter argument that most scum are dopers because they know how dangerouss the bastard can be. especially if he has some sort of unknown power. alas, if i had to pick a town vig **guiri** would be the choice. Yeah, my premise was based on if he wasn’t. Your counterargument makes sense with the info given. However, the Silman kill still makes no sense for townies from either board to make for reasons I stated in my eyes. Do you agree with that part of my post? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1178 "2011-08-19T23:46:14Z")
I stated this at night, but I wanna say it again: I am moving across the country either tomorrow night or Sunday morning depending on when I get off my ass and finish packing instead of playing mafia. I will be out of commission until late Monday night - Tuesday morning. I don’t know what you guys normally do over here, but we typically try to announce we’re going to be missing an extended period of time out of courtesy. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1179 "2011-08-19T23:47:38Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > If Idle is town then he posted what he got in the PM. If he’s scum, he knows whether dancecat is scum or not and if dancecat gets killed and flips scum then Idle’s either lying or his PM had wrong information. So we probably lynch him. If Idle dies and flips scum then we don’t really know anything about dancecat because he could be trying to cover a scum buddy or accurately reporting what he knows from dancecat not being scum. I think it’s highly unlikely that they’re two scum trying to pull a gambit. It could too easily blow up in their face. I like it when my thought process is nearly the same as someone elses. Especially when they say it better than I did. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1180 "2011-08-19T23:52:49Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I feel strangely safe this morning. I don’t know why. I also enjoyed some kindness last Night. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1181 "2011-08-19T23:58:53Z")
I’m halfway through the thread… time to take a break. Catching up 1100 posts is no easy task! See you guys later tonight. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=60)