# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1222 "2011-08-20T04:55:37Z")
Urg, and with that I need sleep. Been up since 7am. Night everyone. /oog ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1223 "2011-08-20T05:09:35Z")
I’m going to break up your quote a little bit to better respond to you,\*\* idle\*\*. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I still don’t get this. You’re clearing Sub Plank as villager because Silman said he was. But Silman was just a journalist and there isn’t anything in the journalist read out that suggest he’d know anything about anyone’s role. > > And I know where you’re going to go next: The fact that the wolves would try for it anyway, just to be safe, because they’d think he was telling the truth and by killing Silman, it confirms that Sub Plank is probably Town, right? > Only problem with that is, it was already mentioned/explained/discussioned in [this post.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14149800&postcount=219) Post 219 by Episkey (number 4). > And then rebutted [in this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14149892&postcount=237) by me (Post 237). I can understand why you don’t get the soft clear. It comes down to different styles of play so I almost don’t want to talk about it further because I think we will just run around in circles (like we did wrt to voting for players to save other players + not throwing away votes). > [@](#): > > I still don’t get this. You’re clearing Sub Plank as villager because Silman said he was. But Silman was just a journalist and there isn’t anything in the journalist read out that suggest he’d know anything about anyone’s role. First thing, just note that I’m soft clearing him. He isn’t a lock clear villager. I just think he’s more likely than random to be a villager now. Additionally, even though **Silman** wasn’t the actual seer, we can gain information from his death. I believe Silman was targeting because the wolves thought he was the seer. Why? Silman posted 4 times, and is not from the board. Why would the wolves want to kill him then? Because his two reads ( **krayz** = villager,\*\* plank \*\*= villager) were probably correct. We know at least one of his reads were correct. > [@](#): > > So how do you know Silnam didn’t just happen to guess wrong and the scum killed him off just because they know the POGers would clear him? After all, they’ll have been reading the same posts you and I have…it’s certainly something you have to consider. Because this would be just incredibly fancy play syndrome-y. The wolves need to nightkill the seer. They aren’t going to waste their first night kill on a random villager with an incorrect read just so someone might softclear **sub plank**. There is essentially no possible way this is what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1224 "2011-08-20T06:18:37Z")
Okay, this is definitely a bigger challenge than I thought keeping up with this thread. If someone is online, please summarize the events of last night and the discussion today, link to nearest vote count? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1225 "2011-08-20T06:38:49Z")
Also, **Mahaloth** : That’s what you get for lynching **Krayz**. I’m already putting points on the board in this one. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1226 "2011-08-20T06:42:27Z")
I’m around for a little bit if you want to discuss anything specific pizzaguy. Funny that you think this is moving too fast, I’m here thinking I hope I’m a vig and can shoot myself in the face because this is taking so long. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1227 "2011-08-20T06:46:28Z")
Unofficial Vote Tally Scuba Ben (2): Blaster Master [1109], Drain Bead [1190] Silver Jan (1): Zeriel [1126] Blaster Master (1): Sachertorte [1135] PreCambrianMollusc (1): Idle Thoughts [1142] Giraffe (1): Normal Phase [1156] Vote Reasons: Blaster Master votes Scuba Ben for flip flop voting. Zeriel votes Silver Jan because vote analysis and Mahaloth’s flip lead him to believe she’s scum. Sachertorte votes Blaster Master for voting NAF for a bad idea then talking about how you shouldn’t vote for Bad Ideas at night. Idle Thoughts votes PreCambrianMollusc for a lazy vote. Normal Phase votes Giraffe for Idle’s town read on DanceCat which she feels makes him look all the worse for voting DanceCat yesterday and other reasons not specified but alluded to. Drain Bead votes Scuba Ben for flip flop voting on major wagons without new insight on the wagons. What events do you need summarized? Guiri, a vig and Silman, a journalist were killed and they were town. Mahaloth was a wolf and he was shot and poisoned. (I will probably not do the vote reasons in the future; I was just intrigued by guiri and wanted to see if I have the patience for it. I don’t.) ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1228 "2011-08-20T06:46:42Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I’m around for a little bit if you want to discuss anything specific pizzaguy. Funny that you think this is moving too fast, I’m here thinking I hope I’m a vig and can shoot myself in the face because this is taking so long. I am aware that GuiriEnEspaña was a vigilante but there were multiple attempts on **Mahaloth**. I count myself among them. Because Mahaloth obviously wasn’t protected last night, that means the odds are likelier that I was one of those who killed him. I am claiming this now because I would rather discuss two choices for death today instead of one. My current theory is that, like almost everyone else, my night zero action was worthless. If someone targeted me last night, please note that you are probably not a roleblocker. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1229 "2011-08-20T06:49:24Z")
Also, to anyone else who targeted Mahaloth last night: This should help you determine that you cannot be completely certain you’re a vigilante. There’s a dead vigilante and I think I may be the other one. Do not claim. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1230 "2011-08-20T06:49:39Z")
What do you mean two choices for death today? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1231 "2011-08-20T06:51:48Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > What do you mean two choices for death today? One lynch, one vig kill. Even if I’m not the vigilante, which there’s a fair chance I’m not, I would rather the vigilante get some clues as to who wants who to die via the voting process. I am a huge advocate of vigilantes, sometimes to my detriment, but I’ve participated in games where the vigilantes killed nothing but scumbags and totally wiped the floor with the scums. If I have to eat a scum roleblock, so be it, that will free up the detective roles if any. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1232 "2011-08-20T06:55:39Z")
Hmmph, well I guess it’s too early to be casting stones about playstyles but I think that’s not the way to handle a vig and I’m a huge fan of them. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1233 "2011-08-20T06:55:56Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I am aware that GuiriEnEspaña was a vigilante but there were multiple attempts on **Mahaloth**. I count myself among them. > > Because Mahaloth obviously wasn’t protected last night, that means the odds are likelier that I was one of those who killed him. > > I am claiming this now because I would rather discuss two choices for death today instead of one. My current theory is that, like almost everyone else, my night zero action was worthless. > > If someone targeted me last night, please note that you are probably not a roleblocker. He was poisoned and shot. Either way you’re a deadly role. I can’t see how claiming right now is beneficial because the wolves are probably just going to nightkill you now. On the off chance they don’t, find yourself someone who YOU think is wolfy, then target them at night. Do not reveal who you’re going to target because the wolves could try to use a suspected wolf doctor on your target. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1234 "2011-08-20T06:57:49Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > One lynch, one vig kill. > > Even if I’m not the vigilante, which there’s a fair chance I’m not, I would rather the vigilante get some clues as to who wants who to die via the voting process. > > I am a huge advocate of vigilantes, sometimes to my detriment, but I’ve participated in games where the vigilantes killed nothing but scumbags and totally wiped the floor with the scums. > > If I have to eat a scum roleblock, so be it, that will free up the detective roles if any. But you’re also likely to going to eat a nightkill… Hopefully your night action is processed before the nightkill but I have no idea how the mod handles that. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1235 "2011-08-20T06:59:45Z")
Not to mention if the wolves have a RB, they’re probably unsure about it but if they have a killing power in addition to the NK, they may have an idea of who has it so there’s a strong chance you could eat it tonight as well as a potential seer. I think it was…less then effective to put forth your name as a probable killer. (My preference as a vig is to go after low volume posters. Like PCM would be an awesome target right now. Frees up the people who want to vote him for crappy play Yesterday and either removes scum or someone not really participating. The other theory I like but not quite as much is to target the runner up in lynch wagons if the lynched was town.) ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1236 "2011-08-20T06:59:47Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Hmmph, well I guess it’s too early to be casting stones about playstyles but I think that’s not the way to handle a vig and I’m a huge fan of them. I am far more likely to hit a townie at this point, I would rather eat a murder or a scum roleblock, because that allows our roles who are less double-edged to go about their business. I love vigilantes but in a game this size, and this early, Mahaloth was a freak occurrence. I will keep trying to kill scums but I’d RATHER become the focus of the scum’s attention. I will cause less damage to the town and I will divert resources away from the townies with more benign roles. There’s also a possibility increasing the odds of me being murdered allows folks to “track” someone going to my room at night, or “watch” me and see who tries to murder me, or protect me from murder. Giving the scums a big fat target can work to our advantage in a game with nothing but active roles. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1237 "2011-08-20T07:00:45Z")
NETA: less THAN effective DYFC ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1238 "2011-08-20T07:01:10Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > But you’re also likely to going to eat a nightkill… Good, that means any detectives or trackers or doctors we have will survive. Honestly, I’m more likely to kill our good guys than hit bad guys. This is a calculated move. Maybe it’s even a tactic… ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1239 "2011-08-20T07:04:06Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I am far more likely to hit a townie at this point, I would rather eat a murder or a scum roleblock, because that allows our roles who are less double-edged to go about their business. So? Granted, it’s a big game and all power roles means it’s super swingy but when I’m randed a town vig, I assume the game designer has planned for the effects of me using my power. (Not going to lie, I really have a hard time believing anyone can fuck town over too badly with targeting the one or two post per day players on a regular basis.) ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1240 "2011-08-20T07:05:37Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > So? Granted, it’s a big game and all power roles means it’s super swingy but when I’m randed a town vig, I assume the game designer has planned for the effects of me using my power. (Not going to lie, I really have a hard time believing anyone can fuck town over too badly with targeting the one or two post per day players on a regular basis.) What if said person was like a paranoid doctor or something, keeping their head down and trying not to become the focus of attention? That said, you want me to mop up lurkers, it would be my _ **absolute pleasure…** _ ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1241 "2011-08-20T07:07:58Z")
Then there would be a learning experience for at least one player. (And naughty ATPG, discussing an ongoing mafia game in another mafia game.) Perhaps I’m just cocky, I tend to do well as the vig. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=63)