# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1262 "2011-08-20T08:11:34Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I don’t mind brewha as a vote, I read him yesterday and 5/6 of his 8 posts have been off-topic, with the last couple only relating to peeker and then him casting his vote. He’s an okay vote, but he’d be a perfect example of someone who you should have tried to use your vig on instead. If he’s a wolf, he’s so under the radar that the wolves wouldn’t think to try to roleblock him (if they even know who their roleblocker(s) are yet). Maybe I shall; but I would still prefer to present alternatives to the current choices. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1263 "2011-08-20T08:14:05Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > There also could be mystic seers. No one else has claimed to have gotten peeks (and I don’t think they should at this point) but they work something like: > > Mystic A submitted peek for Mystic B > Mystic B submitted peek for Mystic C > Mystic C submitted peek for Mystic A > > Those guys existed in the other mystery mash. Obviously they may not be present here but it’s another possible theory. I don’t exactly understand that set up myself but that has a lot to do with how tired I am right now. I agree that the Seer shouldn’t say anything at the moment but what if the Seer had found a Wolf, should they keep quiet about it altogether or wait until near EOD for the reveal. If you found out that you were the Doc, could your actions also be redirected to someone other than the one you targeted? ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1264 "2011-08-20T08:17:02Z")
Yes, doctor actions could possibly be redirected as well. If you are a seer I would not out yourself today, I would wait at least one more game day before revealing. Having say, 3 live peeks would be awesomely helpful for the village. Trading the seer to clear one player or to catch one wolf isn’t really worth the tradeoff, imo. Time for bed ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1265 "2011-08-20T08:20:08Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Yes, doctor actions could possibly be redirected as well. If you are a seer I would not out yourself today, I would wait at least one more game day before revealing. Having say, 3 live peeks would be awesomely helpful for the village. Trading the seer to clear one player or to catch one wolf isn’t really worth the tradeoff, imo. > > Time for bed I am not actually claiming anything 🙂 I am just asking questions and trying to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1266 "2011-08-20T10:36:35Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > To add something I forgot: If the wolves night kill you, I highly suspect that would be traceable. IE I don’t think the tracker can target you and get back “Player A, B, C, D, E, F and G ganged up and killed Askthepizzaguy.” That would be incredibly broken. So the wolves can just night kill you and go untraced. most of, not all, the games over here scum have to pick one team mate to do the NK. and in doing so said Nightkiller foregoes their additional power, if they have one. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1267 "2011-08-20T10:45:49Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > If you’ve heard these arguments before, you should know to stay quite in this spot.. 😕 > > Your “open” strategy is anti-town. We lose another village vig, we gain no information from your untimely death, and you might not even get to use your power again before you die. i don’t agree one bit. if **atpg** is a vig of some sort then leaving him alive in this game is tantamount to giving scum another NK. that be nein gut in my book. and fuck if he is a vig and scum do have a redirector the last thing we want to do is let him “use his power again”. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1268 "2011-08-20T10:55:01Z")
and i am going to go back to yesterDay for just a moment. something that is particulariy fascinating about this board and the other ones that we typically frequent is that when a wolf gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar and they don’t get punished for it is that will typically shut down. i’ve been scum with many mates before that have gotten a modicum of heat and my advice is “just shut the fuck up and stoopid town will latch on to someone else”. crud i use that strategy myself. **vote giraffe** ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1269 "2011-08-20T11:15:34Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i don’t agree one bit. if **atpg** is a vig of some sort then leaving him alive in this game is tantamount to giving scum another NK. that be nein gut in my book. and fuck if he is a vig and scum do have a redirector the last thing we want to do is let him “use his power again”. Heh, peeker sees just how dangerous my role is. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1270 "2011-08-20T11:49:47Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Also, to anyone else who targeted Mahaloth last night: > > This should help you determine that you cannot be completely certain you’re a vigilante. There’s a dead vigilante and I think I may be the other one. Do not claim. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > One lynch, one vig kill. > > Even if I’m not the vigilante, which there’s a fair chance I’m not, I would rather the vigilante get some clues as to who wants who to die via the voting process. > > I am a huge advocate of vigilantes, sometimes to my detriment, but I’ve participated in games where the vigilantes killed nothing but scumbags and totally wiped the floor with the scums. > > If I have to eat a scum roleblock, so be it, that will free up the detective roles if any. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I am far more likely to hit a townie at this point, I would rather eat a murder or a scum roleblock, because that allows our roles who are less double-edged to go about their business. > > I love vigilantes but in a game this size, and this early, Mahaloth was a freak occurrence. I will keep trying to kill scums but I’d RATHER become the focus of the scum’s attention. I will cause less damage to the town and I will divert resources away from the townies with more benign roles. > > There’s also a possibility increasing the odds of me being murdered allows folks to “track” someone going to my room at night, or “watch” me and see who tries to murder me, or protect me from murder. > > Giving the scums a big fat target can work to our advantage in a game with nothing but active roles. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Good, that means any detectives or trackers or doctors we have will survive. > > Honestly, I’m more likely to kill our good guys than hit bad guys. This is a calculated move. Maybe it’s even a tactic… > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > What if said person was like a paranoid doctor or something, keeping their head down and trying not to become the focus of attention? > > That said, you want me to mop up lurkers, it would be my _ **absolute pleasure…** _ > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Groan. > > I have heard all these arguments before fellas. This is NOT my first rodeo. > > When the vigilante role lands in your lap, feel free to execute your chosen strategy; as it has apparently fallen in my lap, I am choosing an “open” strategy for the explicit purpose of diverting scumkills. It’s too late to debate the merits of revealing now, it’s done. > > Now, I ask you folks to name two suspects instead of one. I may not go with your recommendations, but I’d still like to squeeze information out and saturate the discussion with it. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Heh, peeker sees just how dangerous my role is. Nice. can we call you **sybil** from here on out. first you are another vig then you may or may not be then you are certain you are. then vigs are cool unless they are like killing a whole pisspot of town even though you are more likely to “kill our good guys than hit bad guys” you’ve encountered them when they “killed nothing but scumbags and wiped the floor with the scums”. fuck the sun will either rise in the east tomorrow or maybe the west and probably not the north or south but maybe. plus you fucking kind of agree with me. jeebuz, that’s all sides of messed up. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1271 "2011-08-20T11:59:04Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > can we call you **sybil** from here on out. first you are another vig then you may or may not be then you are certain you are. then vigs are cool unless they are like killing a whole pisspot of town even though you are more likely to “kill our good guys than hit bad guys” you’ve encountered them when they “killed nothing but scumbags and wiped the floor with the scums”. I \*may \*be a vigilante, I may not be. Depends on how many other people targeted **Mahaloth**. I will however assume I’m a vigilante until proven otherwise by my death. Vigs are cool, they’re the most powerful townie role there is, really. That said, they’re so powerful that without guidance or luck they can destroy half their own teammates. I believe in the vigilante. It’s an excellent role, and it’s balanced in and of itself because of the risks involved. A double-edged sword for the town to use to defend or destroy itself. I’ve been a vigilante and hit nothing but scums in a game and survived; I’ve been vigilante and hit townie after townie. But a vigilante is simply a second lynch, controlled by one vote, and that vote is townie. > [@](#): > > plus you fucking kind of agree with me. > > jeebuz, that’s all sides of messed up. Is it unusual for people to agree with you? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1272 "2011-08-20T11:59:04Z")
and for anyone that reads current stuff. i think **pizzawithpepperoniandmushroomsandextracheese** is possibly my **shooter**. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1273 "2011-08-20T12:00:20Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I \*may \*be a vigilante, I may not be. Depends on how many other people targeted **Mahaloth**. I will however assume I’m a vigilante until proven otherwise by my death. Vigs are cool, they’re the most powerful townie role there is, really. That said, they’re so powerful that without guidance or luck they can destroy half their own teammates. > > I believe in the vigilante. It’s an excellent role, and it’s balanced in and of itself because of the risks involved. A double-edged sword for the town to use to defend or destroy itself. > > I’ve been a vigilante and hit nothing but scums in a game and survived; I’ve been vigilante and hit townie after townie. But a vigilante is simply a second lynch, controlled by one vote, and that vote is townie. > Is it unusual for people to agree with you? it happened once. but it had to do with a sea dive into maryanne’s trench. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1274 "2011-08-20T12:01:59Z")
if anyone else gets that reference i may fall over and fucking pass out. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1275 "2011-08-20T12:02:33Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and for anyone that reads current stuff. i think **pizzawithpepperoniandmushroomsandextracheese** is possibly my **shooter**. I’m your [**shooter**](http://www.movievillains.com/images/mcgavin.jpg)? Don’t turn your back on me. Listen, this is Shooter’s tour. I worked hard, paid my dues, now it’s Shooter’s turn. Shooter won’t let his reign at the top be spoiled by some peeker. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1276 "2011-08-20T12:05:23Z")
1. participation, as mentioned I am traveling at the moment, will be back later today. Apologies. I am catching up whilst sat on my thumbs at IAH for the next 3 hrs. At least the coffee here is decent. 2. day one vote. This is my first game after an 18 month break. Scum hunting techniques may have advanced significantly in the interim, but it was my experience that day one lynches were a crapshoot and there were generally no good reasons for the lynch, which is why I said day one lynches are for horrible reasons. When I looked through day one, my vote was the least horrible choice of many horrible choices. I also believe it is important to have a vote on record, rather than no vote. NAF jumped in at post 774 to note that my vote was “double fuck scummy” but didnt switch his vote to me. So apparently he felt his case against PeekerCpa (need to double check, on tapatalk, so scrolling isnt possible) was stronger. If I were of a suspicious mind I would say he was happy with the top lynch targets, and decided not rock the boat and get things setup for a PCM lynch today. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1277 "2011-08-20T12:08:26Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I’m your [**shooter**](http://www.movievillains.com/images/mcgavin.jpg)? > > Don’t turn your back on me. Listen, this is Shooter’s tour. I worked hard, paid my dues, now it’s Shooter’s turn. Shooter won’t let his reign at the top be spoiled by some peeker. actually i was thinking more along these lines. i am, of course the johnny depp character. [http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3438385408/ch0009675](http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3438385408/ch0009675) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1278 "2011-08-20T12:23:12Z")
if you have ever read the gunslinger by king you get my frustration. don’t think around corners very well. natural inclination is just to blaze away. sometimes you have to take a couple of innocents out to get the bad guys. i still think **giraffe** is scum. crud **ben** could justify a vote just based on the wiffle waffle votes from yesterDay but that seems too easy. don’t know what happened to **mykbot**. maybe i pissed him off like **quacked**. i also get very nervous about anyone coming to my defense. typically only happens when i am town and they are scum. so hmms go out to **draino** and **sis** just because i am the default lynch around these parts. and crud then they get to go, toldya. so i kind of get a fakepeek of town from **naf**. **sliver** is a question. don’t think i ever played with her. but she jumps in feet first on the words of some of my most hated enemies kind of like it is gospel. and then uses my “change” in playstyle midway through the Day after her fucking vote to justify her first vote base on my “change” in playstyle. gotta say kind of fucking odd. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1279 "2011-08-20T12:36:09Z")
I’m skimming/catching up. This weekend is busy for me, so I probably won’t kick back into high gear until Monday. I see that: 1. I’ve apparently been peeked by Idle Thoughts. I’d like to know if just my affiliation was revealed to him, or my entire role. Obv if it’s my whole role don’t announce what it is, but I’d like to know if you got it. 2. Askthepizzaguy claimed vig for pretty much no reason, which I find extremely irritating. 3. Crackedquads thinks there can be a redirector, but there can’t be because a redirector would have to submit two names each night for their action (the person whose action is being redirected, and the recipient). So no. 4. Silman death probably means some POG wolves, unless we know that kill was made by a neutral third party. Do we know if the death writeups occur in any particular order? I’m going back to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1280 "2011-08-20T13:07:02Z")
I subbed in for Hirka overNight, and I’m finally all caught up. For now, I’m going to put down a vote on gnarly charlie, for posting 95% fluff, and this vote on Texcat: > [@](#): > > i’ll Vote Texcat for her vote on Mykbot. scum tend to play safe and not make controversial statements or potentially bad ones so i’m leaning/soft clearing Mykbot . voting for a bad idea is opportunistic. the OMGUS on lilflower makes me even more suspicious. That extra sentence about her vote on lilflower feels tacked on to me, like he has a weak case, and wants to bolster it. OMGUS might be a weak reason to vote someone, but I don’t see how it’s a scummy one. **vote gnarlycharlie.** ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1281 "2011-08-20T13:10:21Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Why would the wolves want to kill him then? > > Because his two reads ( **krayz** = villager,\*\* plank \*\*= villager) were probably correct. And that’s my point exactly. If someone ever guesses wrong (and attributes a fakepeek of “Villager” to a Wolf), what’s to stop scum from killing the fakepeeker… **just so you’ll think the Wolf is soft-cleared?** That is a huge flaw in your logic and you have yet to answer it. For all you know, that could have happened here. As I already pointed out, it was talked about earlier (before Sitnam died). So scum obviously already knows about that tactic/gameplay strategy. Thus my point: I wouldn’t put too much faith in it from here on (or ever). : p > [@sangaman](#): > > **Idle Thoughts** has claimed that it was revealed to him that \*\*peekercpa \*\*is a villager, so if that’s true then he’s not who the wolves would have been trying to save. It’s not a lock, as **Idle Thoughts** could have received an incorrect reveal from Gadarene or he could be lying. \*\*Idle Thoughts \*\*eventually jumps on the krayz bandwagon himself, so I think if it turns out peekercpa is scum then more than likely Idle Thoughts is scum too and has been trying to protect peekercpa. Huh? I have no idea what you’re talking about. You either have me confused with someone else or you’re mixing what I said toDay. I never received anything about **Peekercpa** (nor did I say I did). If you think I did, then please show me the post. TODAY, however, I got a notice from **Gad** about **Dancecat**. Are you just mixing the two up or what, because this confuses the hell out of me. As for the **Krayz** vote…I based it on the fact that he was generally being anti-Town and that even his friends from the other board admitted his gameplay was off and not as it usually is. Maybe not the strongest case, but as far as I was concerned, it was a better case than I, personally, had on anyone else at the time. > [@Dancecat](#): > > I’m skimming/catching up. This weekend is busy for me, so I probably won’t kick back into high gear until Monday. I see that: > > 1. I’ve apparently been peeked by Idle Thoughts. I’d like to know if just my affiliation was revealed to him, or my entire role. Obv if it’s my whole role don’t announce what it is, but I’d like to know if you got it. As I said earlier, it was just the alignment. * * * You should probably stick to your own gut in who you choose for Vigging suspects, **Pizzaguy**. If I were a Vig, I’d probably target those who are less posting and laying low, so they wouldn’t have to be dealt with later (I’ve played in games were the people who posted less eventually came under suspicion and it sucks when half the people want to lynch them and half the people want to wait for the person to come back and post more or defend themselves…holds up the whole game). But also because I feel that scum would be more likely found in those places than not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=65)