# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1282 "2011-08-20T13:24:06Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Snip > > For all you know, that could have happened here. As I already pointed out, it was talked about earlier (before Sitnam died). So scum obviously already knows about that tactic/gameplay strategy. > > Snip Sitnam = Silman ? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1283 "2011-08-20T13:34:44Z")
Haha, whoops. Yes, **Silman**. Sorry, we have a poster here named **Sitnam**. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1284 "2011-08-20T13:43:20Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > As for the **Krayz** vote…I based it on the fact that he was generally being anti-Town and that even his friends from the other board admitted his gameplay was off and not as it usually is. Maybe not the strongest case, but as far as I was concerned, it was a better case than I, personally, had on anyone else at the time. \ you could have moved your vote to a scummy **giraffe**. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1285 "2011-08-20T13:45:07Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > You should probably stick to your own gut in who you choose for Vigging suspects, **Pizzaguy**. If I were a Vig, I’d probably target those who are less posting and laying low, so they wouldn’t have to be dealt with later (I’ve played in games were the people who posted less eventually came under suspicion and it sucks when half the people want to lynch them and half the people want to wait for the person to come back and post more or defend themselves…holds up the whole game). But also because I feel that scum would be more likely found in those places than not. You do realize of course that now that we’ve said these things, scum will begin posting more. 😉 That’s good though. I’ll execute whoever is posting baseless low-risk fluff. I’ll kill someone who no one has really been suspecting or mentioning. Someone who seems to be avoiding the spotlight. Whoever is taking the fewest risks, is my best guess. I like scums who take risks, gets em killed faster. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1286 "2011-08-20T13:45:56Z")
Even if Scum has a redirector (unlikely due to reasons mentioned above, but based on the supposition that the power involves redirecting the target’s powers onto a random target, it might work), it’s likely they don’t know it yet. Chances are the redirector can’t tell what his or her powers do yet. That having been said, I’m not a fan of Town powers outing themselves, especially when there’s no known means of protection. And taking input from the players is a bad idea as Vig, because it’s going to be influenced by Scum. A far better strategy is to Vig the lynch runner up if we lynched Town, and a voter on the lynch runner up who looks suspicious if we lynched Scum. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1287 "2011-08-20T13:47:04Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > …I’d probably target those who are less posting and laying low, so they wouldn’t have to be dealt with later (I’ve played in games were the people who posted less eventually came under suspicion and it sucks when half the people want to lynch them and half the people want to wait for the person to come back and post more or defend themselves…holds up the whole game).\*\* But also because I feel that scum would be more likely found in those places than not\*\*. \ **Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1288 "2011-08-20T13:50:56Z") > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Even if Scum has a redirector (unlikely due to reasons mentioned above, but based on the supposition that the power involves redirecting the target’s powers onto a random target, it might work), it’s likely they don’t know it yet. Chances are the redirector can’t tell what his or her powers do yet. That having been said, I’m not a fan of Town powers outing themselves, especially when there’s no known means of protection. And taking input from the players is a bad idea as Vig, because it’s going to be influenced by Scum. A far better strategy is to Vig the lynch runner up if we lynched Town, and a voter on the lynch runner up who looks suspicious if we lynched Scum. blah blah blah the fucking blah. so taking input from players is a bad idea. oh, but lynching the second placer (taking input from players) is a fucking good idea. jeebus, you must butter your bread on both sides **draino**. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1289 "2011-08-20T13:55:46Z")
> [@Dancecat](#): > > 1. Crackedquads thinks there can be a redirector, but there can’t be because a redirector would have to submit two names each night for their action (the person whose action is being redirected, and the recipient). So no. > I’m going back to bed. Dancecat , why is this not possible. In the rules it says every one has to submit A night target, are you taking that to be exclusivly one name? Could it just be the mods used A in a generic manner. Regarding the night kills we were given two methods for Malahoth dying ( shot and poisoned) but Silman and Guri we just listed as being dead, no bite marks or bullet wounds. Not sure if anything can be rread into that. A wild arse guess would be the bullet/poision are either town or neutral ( if there are any) and the wolves have two kills with no colour attached. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1290 "2011-08-20T13:58:07Z")
Ok Drain bead set me straight there, a rediriector would need to know he had to submit two names thus give away their role that they werent supposed to know. Never mind me. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1291 "2011-08-20T14:02:58Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > kind of curious **idle**. do you really think scum have gone down that route again. i mean, sure anything is possible but over here not posting is a fucking death sentence. or at least in my world. I’ve seen non/low posting players get a pass for awhile before, but that is a good point. Usually there’s scum found on both ends of the spectrum. Low posting and high volume posting. To me, though (just my personal opinion), at those those high posting are contributing to the game and–if scum–are more likely to slip up, give themselves away, or eventually draw attention/suspicion from someone else. So I’d still go with the lower end posters if I were a Vig. Pizzaguy is free to do what he wishes, though. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1292 "2011-08-20T14:12:27Z")
Silman’s role mentioned redirects, so it might be somehow possible. They could redirect randomly, or redirect onto themselves, or redirect onto the previous Night’s target, or be linked to someone, so that they redirect onto that person’s target. Probably other ways of doing it as well, that I haven’t thought of. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1293 "2011-08-20T14:17:42Z")
Okay, I’m listening. Try to convince me. I looked at the low-posters and a few of them were on the Krayz wagon. [Precambrianmollusc](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=59512&searchthreadid=620680) [brewha](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=14216&searchthreadid=620680) [Scathach](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=62976&searchthreadid=620680) [sangaman](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=121732&searchthreadid=620680) [septimus](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=87274&searchthreadid=620680) [Mahaloth](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=5945&searchthreadid=620680) [Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=19676&searchthreadid=620680) [Silman](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=121428&searchthreadid=620680) [Astral Rejection](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=82907&searchthreadid=620680) [Weedy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=83443&searchthreadid=620680) [Hirka T’Bawa](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=15701&searchthreadid=620680) [MHaye](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=66216&searchthreadid=620680) Hirka is now Weedy. Mahaloth is dead and scum. I agree that Drain Bead is probably not scum for starting the wagon. Meeko only has 4 posts, not sure I want to go there yet though. Then Mahaloth voted. Would scum Meeko vote, followed by scum Mahaloth? Why move together so obviously on the day one wagon? For what purpose? Not sure it’s Meeko. Idle has 61 posts, so not a lurker and not playing-it-safe. Lightfoot 58 posts, reason for vote didn’t ping anything. ScubaBen 35 posts, reason for vote didn’t ping anything. So that leaves precambrianmollusc, and the vote doesn’t read scummy unless TexCat or Silver Jan flip scum. I just don’t think there were more scum on that wagon; but we will see in time. I could go for Astral, but I’d need reasons why. Same for Silman. I’ve voted for septimus already before, and we’ll see if he starts acting scummy again. Sangaman, Scathach, brewha. Still on the lower-end of the post count. Scath got killed rather quickly in another game, felt like killing Scath here would be lame. Sangaman, brewha- just looked at one thing by brewha and voted based on a gut twitch. Any of these posters would count as a low-poster. Anyone got anything solid on any of them? Do you see anything scummy in any of their posts? Quote it for me to look at and I’ll do a mental thumbs up or thumbs down for killing said person later tonight, without revealing. Help me look please. I could do it but I feel I need to hear what others think first, just for the record and for analysis later on. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1294 "2011-08-20T14:31:23Z")
Didn’t Meeko sub out? That might explain his low post count. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1295 "2011-08-20T14:36:15Z")
I could really use fully updated info. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1296 "2011-08-20T14:38:36Z")
[quote=“Askthepizzaguy, post:1293, topic:593025”] I could go for Astral, but I’d need reasons why. **Same for Silman**. I’ve voted for septimus already before, and we’ll see if he starts acting scummy again. [quote] Silman’s dead. So I think you can eliminate him from vig choices. While I’m all for helping say what I’d do if I were the vig (which I did), I don’t know if I like the “Tell me, specifically, of these three or four people, I should kill.” card…when you start asking for suggestions about specific people, it could allow people who aren’t Town (scum and nefarious third-partiers) to help influence your decision. My general suggestions (again) would be to use your gut and maybe try to look to people not contributing much (or being bold with gameplay suggestions or votes or etc). I also like \*\*Inner Stickler’\*\*s suggestion about possibly killing whoever is second in votes (or another one of whoever the bandwagon is on, since it’s always good money that votes are trying to be drawn away from someone else) if the first was Town. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1297 "2011-08-20T14:40:16Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Didn’t Meeko sub out? > That might explain his low post count. Yeah, I think **sangaman** subbed in for him (which might explain HIS low post count). ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1298 "2011-08-20T15:04:26Z")
sangaman subbed in for Meeko at #675 ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1299 "2011-08-20T15:17:03Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I subbed in for Hirka overNight, and I’m finally all caught up. > > For now, I’m going to put down a vote on gnarly charlie, for posting 95% fluff, and this vote on Texcat: > That extra sentence about her vote on lilflower feels tacked on to me, like he has a weak case, and wants to bolster it. OMGUS might be a weak reason to vote someone, but I don’t see how it’s a scummy one. > > vote gnarlycharlie bleached meh, i like to post fluff whatever alignment i am and i usually start slow. as for my vote, most Day 1 votes are for weak reasons. why single out mine? because of my extra sentence? good enough reason for D1 but for toDay, i disagree. find anyone suspicious in the **Krayz** wagon? just wondering. ```auto **pizza** , i see your playstyle is not agreeable with people from yet another board. :D your perspective, agreeable or not, is quite refreshing. ``` ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1300 "2011-08-20T15:25:01Z")
I had an epiphany this morning. I do my best thinking in the shower. Something about all this “for effect” stuff had been bothering me as it was cropping up so much it was driving me crazy. I realize now that I’ve been fixed on the excuse and not on the action that caused the excuse. For NAF, there really isn’t any scum motivation for his “effect” (Bad Idea: hey, let’s all say who we targeted). While a Bad Idea, it wasn’t going to do much of any harm\* on day one since there were so few actions and we shut down the process quickly. On the other hand we have _votes_ “for effect.” If I recall correctly, I called out one of the other boarders on this (dance cat, I think) and Blaster Master. I want to say there is one more, but I don’t have time to go back and check right now. Anyway, my view is that putting forth an idea-of-questionable-badness for effect, especially with nothing to gain for the scum team, makes sense as a “for effect.” But voting for someone “for effect” is not. Votes are really important. We lynch people based on who they vote for and their reasoning. I refuse to allow people to use “for effect” as an excuse for their _vote_. Of course, the reality is I’ll need to look at each one on a case-by-case basis. But I had the realization this morning and I just had to share. - If it turns out that scum had extra information about n0 (e.g., the single action targeted scum and they know it) then NAF’s suggestion has demonstrable harm and I’ll need to revisit. I don’t know how we would figure that out, but that’s the only scenario I can come up with where NAF’s Bad Idea has plausible scum motivation. And now that I write that all out, I’m vacillating again. It occurs to me that NAF’s “for effect” could have been for the effect of making him look like a Townie by getting heat for a Bad Idea, which we have done countless times. Meh. I’m putting NAF in the “I don’t know” pile, which I know will please him to no end. I will say this: NAF is not being timid with his posts. That is a point in his favor. Blaster Master on the other hand has my vote and it’s staying there while I catch up. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1301 "2011-08-20T16:24:52Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > And that’s my point exactly. > > If someone ever guesses wrong (and attributes a fakepeek of “Villager” to a Wolf), what’s to stop scum from killing the fakepeeker… **just so you’ll think the Wolf is soft-cleared?** > > That is a huge flaw in your logic and you have yet to answer it. > > For all you know, that could have happened here. As I already pointed out, it was talked about earlier (before Sitnam died). So scum obviously already knows about that tactic/gameplay strategy. > > Thus my point: I wouldn’t put too much faith in it from here on (or ever). : p I did answer it. > [@crackedquads](#): > > Because this would be just incredibly fancy play syndrome-y. The wolves need to nightkill the seer. They aren’t going to waste their first night kill on a random villager with an incorrect read just so someone might softclear **sub plank**. There is essentially no possible way this is what happened. You feel like the wolves killed silman because he posted 1 correct and 1 incorrect read just for the off chance that someone might possibly soft clear his incorrect read because silman was killed, but you completely dismiss the idea that silman was killed because both of his reads were correct and wolves thought he was the seer? This is incredibly naive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=66)