# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1322 "2011-08-20T19:08:43Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I think I understand \*\*Askthepizzaguy’s \*\*reasoning on why he claimed “probably Vig”. I don’t think I would have done the same in his position, but I think I get why he did. He has painted a target on his back (assuming he’s Town), but that doesn’t guarantee he’ll be Scum-bait Tonight. If we have a Watcher, then he would be a prime target for Tonight. (In my experience here, a Watcher will see any and all players who ‘visit’ their target on the given Night.) The Scum also might leave him alone for the simple fact that he is more likely to hit Town than Scum at this point. And that would be fine with me. It’s a risk for Town certainly, because it could lead to additional Town deaths, but it is a second Town kill, so I think the risk is acceptable for the time being. :smack: THANK YOU. It’s about bloody time. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1323 "2011-08-20T19:09:45Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > What this means immediately to us, is that **pizzaguy** may be able to use his vig before he is killed (given he is indeed the vig and the wolves are indeed going to nightkill him). The vig shot might be processed before the wolf nightkill. Vig’s/NK’s are processed last but we don’t know for sure if the vig’s are processed before the nightkill. Should happen simultaneously. There’s no in-game difference between a vig and a murder, usually. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1324 "2011-08-20T19:38:12Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > This is of course discounting that guiri himself was the village vig. I would suspect there would be more than one townie vigilante in this format though. I think it would be good if you explained to us what the POG expectations would be for this game. I wasn’t expecting more than one Vigilante. I don’t think we have ever had more than one Vigilante. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I am far more likely to hit a townie at this point, I would rather eat a murder or a scum roleblock, because that allows our roles who are less double-edged to go about their business. But even if you go 1 for 3, that is most likely a net positive for Town. In a typical setup (not counting nightkills) a ratio of 1 scum to every 3 town (25%) makes for a reasonable balance where the number of correct lynches needed by Town to win equals the number of mislynches the scum need to win. Throw in a Vigilante and if that vigilante kills 4 people, 1 scum and 3 town, the net effect is even. Even if the original make up is different (not 25%) the general dynamic is still the same. A Vig who kills 1 scum out of every 4 kills (or less) is doing okay. If it takes more than 4 then the Vig is hurting the Town, but you’ve already got Mahaloth (doubled up, but whatever) so we’re already ahead. Also, it is my strong belief that vigilantes provide the additional service of _eliminating unknowns_. By killing off a player under suspicion, you remove the need for town to lynch that player. Whether scum or Town, that is a net positive for Town. I’m of the opinion that the correct Town move would have been to stay silent. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I think you’re correct that all the wolves would have a secondary action, and they elect one of their own to perform the kill. I agree with this point of view. Otherwise, roles like tracker, watcher, and role blocker are significantly reduced in power. From the OP: > [@Gadarene](#): > > Wolves received a similar PM, which also gave them details about their 24-hour chat privileges. Wolves get a team nightkill every night. In addition, each wolf player has their own night action, for which they must submit a target nightly. **The wolves do not know anything more about their roles than the villagers do.** Each team starts equally in the dark about what their night actions do. It’s a bit ambiguous on this point. Typically we use verbiage like ‘You get a team night kill every night and must select one member to perform the action,’ which isn’t there. > [@crackedquads](#): > > The wolves collectively decide on a player to nightkill and someone from the wolf team pm’s the mod who the nightkill is. A wolf making his own independent kills by his own decision would just be a night wolf vigilante. I don’t think those are common at all though, can’t think of a game where I can remember that role. > > One wolf will just pm the mod who the nightkill is. I suspect that if pizzaguy is tracked by a villager, and the wolves night kill him, that the tracker will get “no result” or something along those lines. The night kill is probably processed before the night actions anyways, but I’m not positive about that. If this is how things a typically done on the other board, then cracked quads is probably correct. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1325 "2011-08-20T19:38:45Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I’m not sure what shutdown you’re referring to. I had periods where I had to work and couldn’t post, but I was posting throughout the Day. Posts 824, 831, and 833 were all made within hours of Day’s end. And one of which was to you. So your argument seems like nothing but a thinly veiled excuse for your continued OMGUS vote. > > I still think you’re a wolf. Reasons: > > 1. Your initial vote on me was out of character, IMO. As Town, you’re usually looking beyond superficial tells like that. \ and i am breaking this up so it ain’t one big honking post. if you don’t like it kiss my ass. first. how the fuck do you get OMGYS when i was the first to put it down? for fuck’s sake. at least let it be clear that i voted for your because i thought you were scum. you can characterize it however the fuck you want but that does not make it so. oh, unless we are pulling the same oh shit they are scum, vote. oh i see someone says they are not scum unvote nonsense. how the fuck would it be out of character for **moi** to call you on weak sauce? fuck. **g** i am going to hop all over inconsistent shit. especially if it results in a butt hurt that creates a vote. crap that’s where i find scum (patent pending on this bitch). you behaved exactly as i would expect a scum **giraffe** to behave. “you are an idiot so i’ll just vote you”. weak sauce. hey the rest of you fucking idiots. can we lynch **giraffe** and be done with this fucking nonsense? kind of fucking figure cricketts will be my refrain. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1326 "2011-08-20T19:42:34Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > 1. I think you overplayed your hand with the bet. That was a Hail Mary if ever I’ve seen one. Either other Town players would think you’d never make such a bet as a wolf or you could smudge us for not taking it. It reminds me of an all-in bluffer trying to induce a fold by promising to show their hand. heh heh. what a fucking idiot. i don’t bet the house unless i know i get a lake place to add to the beach, mountain and just kind of knocking around joint. the one in scotland is off the board, however. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1327 "2011-08-20T19:43:41Z")
i’m kind of waiting for **sach** to implode at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1328 "2011-08-20T19:45:06Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > hey the rest of you fucking idiots. can we lynch **giraffe** and be done with this fucking nonsense? I will review giraffe’s posts, but I make no promises that I’ll agree with you peeker. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1329 "2011-08-20T19:47:17Z")
and i once again counsel that all that is said in thread stays in thread. i actually tolerate some of you personally but when it comes to this game that’s a different beast. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1330 "2011-08-20T19:52:55Z")
and not to be mean **giraffe** you really think i have endeared myself to enough folks that they would want to save my ass? i mean stop smoking whatever the hell it is because it will kill you. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1331 "2011-08-20T19:55:59Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and i once again counsel that all that is said in thread stays in thread. i actually tolerate some of you personally but when it comes to this game that’s a different beast. Sheesh **Peeker** you do go a bit OTT (OVER THE TOP) but I am no longer sure you are scum, very abrasive, yes, crude, yes but a scum??? I have no fucking idea. Underlining mine 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1332 "2011-08-20T19:56:06Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > first. how the fuck do you get OMGYS when i was the first to put it down? for fuck’s sake. at least let it be clear that i voted for your because i thought you were scum. you can characterize it however the fuck you want but that does not make it so. oh, unless we are pulling the same oh shit they are scum, vote. oh i see someone says they are not scum unvote nonsense. I get OMGUS because you have gone apeshit on me ever since I put that vote down on you. The stated reasons for your initial vote on me were ostensibly straightforward scum-hunting (but which I personally found off based on my past experience with you), but your follow-up passion has not been based on any concrete arguments that I can see besides outrage that I could possibly think you were scum and vote for you. Put yourself in a Town player’s shoes: why would you expect someone to give a player pass for something they find scummy? A Town peeker would go apeshit about that, not about putting down a vote. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1333 "2011-08-20T19:56:31Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i’m kind of waiting for **sach** to implode at some point. I’m okay so far. I like puzzles. And this one should be a pretty good one as long as all that junk about shifting powers is not true. Of the 4 dead, there seems to be no evidence of wacky powers that would be confusing to decipher due to a changing nature. And I’ll more likely explode than implode. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1334 "2011-08-20T19:58:03Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > heh heh. what a fucking idiot. i don’t bet the house unless i know i get a lake place to add to the beach, mountain and just kind of knocking around joint. the one in scotland is off the board, however. Here’s the thing: I don’t think you’re betting the house at all. I think you’d see those silly posts in follow-up games as a minor annoyance at worst and a badge of honor of your creativity as a scum player at best. I mean, really, are you expecting us to believe you suddenly give a shit about what comes flying out of your mouth? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1335 "2011-08-20T20:00:09Z")
i kind of wish i was a mouse on the scum board. worry worry oh fuck **giraffe** is absolutely fucked. worrry worry let him go on the offensive. worry worry but he has no chance against **peek** worry worry well he’s fucked then. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1336 "2011-08-20T20:01:25Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Here’s the thing: I don’t think you’re betting the house at all. I think you’d see those silly posts in follow-up games as a minor annoyance at worst and a badge of honor of your creativity as a scum player at best. > > I mean, really, are you expecting us to believe you suddenly give a shit about what comes flying out of your mouth? 😛 ok, tis funny. the wanton ramblings of a confirmed scum, but still funny. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1337 "2011-08-20T20:04:15Z")
hey, who are my scumbuddies **giraffe**. since you are so sure i am one obviously i am providing cover for some others. or potentially stirring the shit on townies. how do you see it? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1338 "2011-08-20T20:05:27Z")
you always ask that question of scum and see how long it takes for them to come up with bullshit. dontyaknow. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1339 "2011-08-20T20:06:20Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > ok, tis funny. the wanton ramblings of a confirmed scum, but still funny. Unless I misread, are you confirming yourself as scum? Or are you just being obnoxious? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1340 "2011-08-20T20:08:12Z")
and i can see why this game plays differently on the other board. over there you would already be fucked **oh long necked one**. here you have about a minute or so. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1341 "2011-08-20T20:09:13Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Unless I misread, are you confirming yourself as scum? Or are you just being obnoxious? really? i mean seriousl? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=68)