# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/121 "2011-08-17T17:00:17Z")
i kind of agree with **naf**. otherwise how will town ever figure out what the hell they are. but i am not sure Day 1 is the time to do it. didn’t **gad** mention it somewhere that not necessarily all actions would be in effect for Night 0? or am i hallucinating? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/122 "2011-08-17T17:00:47Z")
> [@TimeLady](#): > > There’s a fine line in providing good info for the town and good info for the wolves, if you just think about things before you claim, about whether wolves would gain more from it than town, then leave off posting it. :dubious: The casual condescension I could do without. That’s really my gimmick and I would appreciate you leaving it alone. Type without capitalization if you want to steal someone’s schtick. (um…the above was said with tongue in cheek, for those that don’t know me. I’m not really \*this \*much of a dick in real life) ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/123 "2011-08-17T17:02:38Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i kind of agree with **naf**. otherwise how will town ever figure out what the hell they are. but i am not sure Day 1 is the time to do it. didn’t **gad** mention it somewhere that not necessarily all actions would be in effect for Night 0? or am i hallucinating? The OP might answer your question. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/124 "2011-08-17T17:03:27Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I can see the downsides to us claiming our targets. I think I agree with the plan to announce what may have been done to us. It doesn’t reveal anything about our own roles but could catch someone in a lie at some point. I can see how it would give town information to announce what may have happened, but the wolves have night actions too. Do we want to potentially give them the same information? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/125 "2011-08-17T17:05:29Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > NETA: Sorry, I meant Dancecat. > (we have a user here with the name Danceswithcats, hence the adding of the ‘s’) Alas, we used to have him. **danceswithcats** passed away two years ago. :sad: > [@Krayz](#): > > also, 60 fucking seconds? :smack: Yep. Don’t get us started about the search timer. > [@peekercpa](#): > > ok, the peek references are going to be a tad bothersome, personally. I agree. It’ll be far too easy to confuse “peek” as the term on 2+2 for “investigate” with **peek** the player. My $.03 on posting targets: It’s too early to do anything useful with it. Once we get to Day 3 or 4, we might have enough information to do something useful with a mass claim of targets (not necessarily actions). Meanwhile, we may want to spread out our Night actions toNight to reduce potential collisions. On second thought, **Normal Phase** makes a good point that announcing action targets early gives Town more chances to catch Scum in a lie. The fact that Day 1 is so short compared to how the Dope normally plays may not make any overall difference, as D1 has so little to go on. The 2- or 3-day Days will be a challenge, though. I have my usual early reads, which is to say none whatsoever. I’d like to get an early vote out just to have one out, but I have less reason in this game than my last. (Wherein I voted **Ed** for playing a useful variation on the Pleo-Idle gambit, when e made a suitably vague non-claim at the start of Day 1.) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/126 "2011-08-17T17:06:16Z")
and i guess i would ask **naf** to clarify. are you suggesting that we announce just who we targeted or who we targeted and what we targeted them with? because i know you said you targeted me but did you try to kill me, investigate me or what? and that is not begging for you to disclose that? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/127 "2011-08-17T17:06:55Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > I can see how it would give town information to announce what may have happened, but the wolves have night actions too. Do we want to potentially give them the same information? Well, yes. That was the idea. It’s obviously a trade off for town but I had thought that the gains for town would be greater than the trade. NP’s post pointed out that it was slightly more harmful than I had though because I was sort of assuming that the scum would be idiots, and I shouldn’t have done that. The benefit to town would still be there, but now I think it would be closer to a net neutral for town gain than it would be a positive and really we can’t do that right now. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/128 "2011-08-17T17:09:04Z")
Ok, I will break this down for you a little further since you seem to be having some trouble understanding why your idea is so awful: > [@NAF1138](#): > > Mostly irrelevant. Scum are going to have more information than town to start with, increasing their possible information isn’t really a huge advantage to them while it is a gigantic advantage to town to increase the towns information pool. > > Increasing available information for the wolves is NEVER irrelevant. Their advantage is in information, and it would behoove us not to help them further in this department if there’s any way to avoid it. Everyone posting the targets of their night actions would out all the big village power roles in a hurry and, then the wolves will just pick them all off. > > Then they get caught in a lie and we catch scum. Really that’s part of what I see as the upside to the plan. Force the scum to lie early and often, it provides them with the most opportunities to lynch themselves. > > But the scum know this, and can really easily plan around it. Even if it forces one or two to out themselves, it’s still not worth sacrificing all the vigs and seers. > > Sorry, but fuck seer cover and fakepeeking. Town playing those kinds of manipulative games with themselves makes life harder not easier on them. > > This is 100% false and isn’t even an argument. One of the best things that a non-powerful villager can do is leave good cover and draw a kill. I know you guys play differently around here and I get that, but leaving seer cover is a tried and true method of extending the lifespan of the real seer and forcing the wolves to provide additional info for the village via the night kills (which are presumably seer hunts). > > You are wrong. You are probably town, but that doesn’t make you not wrong. > > I’m sorry that I don’t want all our seers and vigs to be outed and die. If that makes me wrong, I don’t want to be right. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/129 "2011-08-17T17:11:02Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and i guess i would ask **naf** to clarify. are you suggesting that we announce just who we targeted or who we targeted and what we targeted them with? because i know you said you targeted me but did you try to kill me, investigate me or what? and that is not begging for you to disclose that? I’m not NAF nor do I play him on TV, but it seems to me that at present we don’t know what we targeted people with. Well one person might, but all we know is that one person’s N0 action succeeded, not what it did. So everybody has a Mysterious Wand of Mystery, and part of this game is for each of us to deduce what our personal /Mys does. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/130 "2011-08-17T17:12:39Z")
Added By Way Of Post (spelling out ABWOP for those new to the Dope): I’m a little surprised I haven’t noticed much on the Dope in the way of fake breadcrumbs (“fakepeeking”). I’ve wanted to do that myself at times. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/131 "2011-08-17T17:13:34Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I’m not NAF nor do I play him on TV, but it seems to me that at present we don’t know what we targeted people with. Well one person might, but all we know is that one person’s N0 action succeeded, not what it did. > > So everybody has a Mysterious Wand of Mystery, and part of this game is for each of us to deduce what our personal /Mys does. Exactly. And I don’t see why we wouldn’t all just use our scum suspects as guinea pigs instead of outing our targets to give the wolves more perfect information than they already have. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/132 "2011-08-17T17:14:16Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and i guess i would ask **naf** to clarify. are you suggesting that we announce just who we targeted or who we targeted and what we targeted them with? because i know you said you targeted me but did you try to kill me, investigate me or what? and that is not begging for you to disclose that? **peeker** , unless you got a different PM than the rest of us, no one knows their power (well, except maybe for that one person whose action went through last Night). ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/133 "2011-08-17T17:15:20Z")
You all type too fast. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/134 "2011-08-17T17:18:59Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i kind of agree with **naf**. otherwise how will town ever figure out what the hell they are. but i am not sure Day 1 is the time to do it. didn’t **gad** mention it somewhere that not necessarily all actions would be in effect for Night 0? or am i hallucinating? I agree that D1 might not be best but we may be able to tweek it for later Days . And yes not all actions were in effect Night 0 > [@peekercpa](#): > > and i guess i would ask **naf** to clarify. are you suggesting that we announce just who we targeted or who we targeted and what we targeted them with? because i know you said you targeted me but did you try to kill me, investigate me or what? and that is not begging for you to disclose that? At this point HOW would \*\*Naf \*\* know ? On preview I see this is redundant but I typed it so you can read it anyway! ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/135 "2011-08-17T17:20:01Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > \ > On preview I see this is redundant but I typed it so you can read it anyway! I will not!! ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/136 "2011-08-17T17:21:01Z")
By the way, for those of you who don’t know, I’m **Metallic Squink**. Sorry for the two screen names but it’s a long, boring story. Just get used to it already! ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/137 "2011-08-17T17:23:04Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > By the way, for those of you who don’t know, I’m **Metallic Squink**. Sorry for the two screen names but it’s a long, boring story. Just get used to it already! I often read Squink for ‘skunk’ so the transition will be easy for me:D ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/138 "2011-08-17T17:25:05Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I often read Squink for ‘skunk’ so the transition will be easy for me:D On the other board this would be where I would post a picture of a skunk covered in armor. I’m sure I’d be able to find one. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/139 "2011-08-17T17:26:08Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > By the way, for those of you who don’t know, I’m **Metallic Squink**. Sorry for the two screen names but it’s a long, boring story. Just get used to it already! /head explodes Holy crap, I had no idea! ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/140 "2011-08-17T17:28:56Z")
> [@MykBot](#): > > Seriously though, what wolf decides “you know what would be an awesome way to get clear, I’m gonna make up a potentially useful to some small degree but _completely ridiculous_ suggestion for people to follow and post it asap”? It would just be super weird. > [@lilflower](#): > > Scum would totally do that. What lilflower said. Remember that each of us Townies has only our own brains to go on, and while WE can’t see how something a Wolf did makes sense, there’s no reason the Wolves with their multiple brains can’t have picked up on something we didn’t. > [@TimeLady](#): > > Why do I feel like you’re the Systolic of this board Huh? Who to the what now? > [@Krayz](#): > > pretty sure lynch all liars is a injoke, not an actual hard and fast rule. It’s not an in joke, nor is it a 100% policy vote, but it is actually something where if you’re caught in a lie (of commission) I’m more likely to vote your lynch than not. Mostly because every game I’ve been in where we’ve caught a player in an out-and-out lie, they’ve been Scum/Wolf. I’ve been told there are games where Town lied to Town for the benefit of all, but I’ve never played in one. And, yes. Town has enough trouble without also lying to each other. > [@peekercpa](#): > > i kind of agree with **naf**. otherwise how will town ever figure out what the hell they are. but i am not sure Day 1 is the time to do it. didn’t **gad** mention it somewhere that not necessarily all actions would be in effect for Night 0? or am i hallucinating? Gad said there was ONE action that took place N0. And I’d think that a claim of who was targeted would be better left toward end-game just like Mass Claims. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=8)