# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1402 "2011-08-20T22:41:28Z")
it’s just seems so wrong that we have so much distrust in the world today. if we could learn to live and love together it would be such a more wonderful place. i think this really would work out for the best. the scum can admit who they are and then town would make a pledge not to lynch them if they agree to foregoe any killings. we could carve out part of our lands for the scum where they could exist in peace and harmony. on a regular basis senior elected officials of each group could meet in order to participate in an equitable sharing of resources. on selected thursday Nights we could join together for a communal singing of 'kum bay yah" and “werewolves of london”. i really think this meets all basic requirements for a civilized society. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1403 "2011-08-20T22:42:55Z")
of course if **mykbot** gets in here and starts sucking goat dicks all fucking bets are off. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1404 "2011-08-20T22:43:08Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > after consultation with the hamsters’ bosses i guess i can continue to play. i have been limited in my ability to respond in my normal manner, however. so i hope that you wonderful beautiful folks will be able to aptly empathize with my inner most feelings. > > those are some beautiful shoes you have there **jan** > > and **giraffe** that haircut does make you looks so handsome. > > i am sure that i will have many more for you fine, wonderful and generous folks in the times ahead. Bah Humbug!!! I have not yet exonerated you 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1405 "2011-08-20T22:51:18Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > meh, i like to post fluff whatever alignment i am and i usually start slow. as for my vote, most Day 1 votes are for weak reasons. why single out mine? because of my extra sentence? good enough reason for D1 but for toDay, i disagree. find anyone suspicious in the **Krayz** wagon? just wondering. Besides Mahaloth 😛 I didn’t like Meeko’s vote on Krayz (he didn’t like his tone, and compared him to Pleonast (which I don’t understand in itself, but it probably made sense to Meeko)), and I didn’t like sangaman’s defence of it - very weird. He went through all the Krayz voters and analysed if they had good votes or not, and analysed Meeko’s the same way. That was weird, because sangaman knows if Meeko was making a townie vote or not. He was ok with Meeko’s vote: > [@](#): > > I agree with this as well. I believe that, early in the game, the next best thing after actually lynching a wolf is lynching a villager who is either unwilling or unable to put thought into the game and be productive for the village. Meeko had reason to believe krayz would be like this, so I think his vote makes sense. > > I decided to leave Meeko’s vote in place because he seemed to have put thought into it and I know that he is/I am a villager. I think this is wrong - it is not the next best thing to lynch a villager who is unproductive, and Krayz wasn’t unproductive exactly anyway. I think sangaman is trying to justify a bad vote there. BUT, massive but, Meeko was the 2nd vote on Krayz and Mahaloth was the 4th, that feels like too many scum piling on at once. I want to see more of sangaman before I vote that. Precambrianmollusc was also pretty suspicious, jumping in at the end like that, but I think he has enough votes for now. Someone said Meeko is a she, really? I always thought he was a guy. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1406 "2011-08-20T22:53:16Z")
Meeko’s definitely a guy. /oog ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1407 "2011-08-20T22:59:03Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > What this means immediately to us, is that **pizzaguy** may be able to use his vig before he is killed (given he is indeed the vig and the wolves are indeed going to nightkill him). The vig shot might be processed before the wolf nightkill. Vig’s/NK’s are processed last but we don’t know for sure if the vig’s are processed before the nightkill. Hmm…what I think this means to us is that pizzaguy is probably not a vig. We had one vig attack last night and we had one dead vig this morning. I think the most logical conclusion is that Guiri targeted Mahaloth. If Pizza is vig, then Guiri was blocked and/or his target protected. Pizza could still easily be the poisoner, and attract the NK, or not. If he did, in fact, target Mahaloth, then all we can reasonably guess is that he is not a doctor. (Though still possible if Pizza was blocked.) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1408 "2011-08-20T23:01:42Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Meeko’s definitely a guy. /oog yanotice how i kept in check through this whole interchange. do i get additional time off for good behavior because there were a couple of lollipops back there? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1409 "2011-08-20T23:06:15Z")
but enough of that. hey, **ben** you ever going to comment on why your votes yesterDay were so stinking (can’t say fucking anymore) scummy? really dude, i mean i know **giraffe** is scum but what up with that? or are you just going to take the oh golly gee humbdidledee defense? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1410 "2011-08-20T23:10:42Z")
and the nice long necked speckled one: if was a pleasure to get such a cogent and well reasoned response. and while all of us on the panel appreciate the effort that you put into making such a comprehensive and somewhat cogent respons is there any fucking possible way that you could come to a fucking conclusion? especially in light of **mr. peekers** claim. i think the response you give could be ever so insightful. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1411 "2011-08-20T23:13:28Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > yanotice how i kept in check through this whole interchange. do i get additional time off for good behavior because there were a couple of lollipops back there? Just be yourself, peek. 😛 It’s fine. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1412 "2011-08-20T23:13:59Z")
i am fucked. just looked out the back window. as soon as **mykbot** gets even remotely close to a goat fucking **ed** teases it out of reach. guess i only have to do this until tuesDay. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1413 "2011-08-21T01:20:40Z")
Phew. The pace of posting has slowed slightly, allowing me a little time to review. YesterDay, I left an easy target on my back by saying that I was going to vote a bad idea. I still think that **Mykbot** should have known better than to suggest that targeting yourself was a good idea any night other than night 0. And I am still suspicious of him. But I pretty quickly took a more active interest in the people who took advantage of the easy target I put on my back. First \*\*Inner Stickler \*\*who has no other reason to vote me, or at least shares no other reason: > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I am going to vote for someone with a bad idea. > > **Vote TexCat** I’m going to review him next. Next comes\*\* lilflower\*\*. **Lilflower** had earlier responded to \*\*MykBot \*\*with a “scum would totally do that” post, leaving me scratching my head when she is so adamant that voting a bad idea is scummy. If scum would totally do that, then why not vote for them for doing that? > [@lilflower](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by MykBot > > Seriously though, what wolf decides “you know what would be an awesome way to get clear, I’m gonna make up a potentially useful to some small degree but completely ridiculous suggestion for people to follow and post it asap”? It would just be super weird. > > \ > > Scum would totally do that but that doesn’t mean \*\*Lightfoot \*\*is scum just from that post. Basically, **Lightfoot** ’s posts to me (and pretty much everyone’s posts so far) are null tells. I also have a tendency to be extremely suspicious of everyone until they are almost 99% confirmed in some way or dead so your willingness to openly state that he gets a pass right now concerns me insomuch as it’s not something I would have done. However, I don’t think that alone makes you scum. > [@lilflower](#): > > I think \*\*TexCat \*\*is misreading **Mykbot** ’s suggestion here. He is pretty clearly saying that last Night would have been a good Night to target yourself (although I don’t agree but that doesn’t make him scummy). \*\*TexCat \*\*goes on to say that \*\*Mykbot \*\*is telling us all to target ourselves every Night which he clearly is not. > I also don’t think we should be voting for people for what you might think is a bad idea. Firstly, at least it generates discussion which is what we need. Secondly, it’s not like putting an idea out there forces everyone to actually do it. I’ve always been bothered by this thought process that if one person makes a suggestion that others don’t agree with, that they are scum. Townies should know not to take the advice of a single, unconfirmed player. > This is a lazy vote. > \*\*vote TexCat \*\* Au contraire, Ms flower, I find your vote to be the lazy, convenient one. Next vote is the OMGUS vote of **Mykbot** , but oddly enough, he is confused on who to vote for: > [@MykBot](#): > > So basically the result of all that is that TexCat seems to be playing well and lilflower is not. > [@MykBot](#): > > Oh wait I’m sorry, the names are just killing me. > > lilflower is playing well and TexCat is the one who is screwing around with what I said. > > This name thing is painful. This is interesting because it was actually\*\* lilflower \*\*who exaggerated \*\*Mykbot’s \*\*statement so much: “\*\*TexCat \*\*goes on to say that \*\*Mykbot \*\*is telling us all to target ourselves every Night which he clearly is not. “ I can understand his confusion. Neither I nor **Mykbot** ever said anything about every night, this exaggeration is totally **lilflower’s**. I gather from this that **Mykbot** and \*\*lilflower \*\*cannot both be scum. Next up is **GnarlyCharlie** : > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i’ll **Vote Texcat** for her vote on **Mykbot**. scum tend to play safe and not make controversial statements or potentially bad ones so i’m leaning/soft clearing \*\*Mykbot \*\*. voting for a bad idea is opportunistic. the OMGUS on **lilflower** makes me even more suspicious. This feels genuine to me. My gut tells me that townie **Gnarly** thought I was scum. Last is **Normal** , who just earlier posted: > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > **Polite request for vote count, as I have no freakin’ idea how things stand.** A scum looking to see whether her vote is needed to save a fellow scum? Or a townie looking for the best place for her vote? Then this: > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Okay. > I think I’m going to hold off any more persecution of DanceCat today given the vote totals and trends. I don’t like the bandwagon on Krayz one bit. I don’t agree that what peeker’s done is a reliable scum tell for him. > That leaves TexCat and Silver Jan, and I have zero idea what the former is even getting votes for. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > @ Drain – Yeah, but that’s not the whole case on her even if it is what Inner himself voted on. She also arguably did what lilflower and Mykbot said she did (haven’t checked the fourth vote), which is argue that Mykbot’s bad idea was aimed getting some naive vigs to off themselves, which is both far-fetched as a motive and I think unsupported by his own words. > So we disagree on something. > **unvote** > **vote: Texcat** This looks to me like **Normal** , uncharacteristically, unable to find a place for her vote at the end of the day. And I tend to give her town points for this. A scum **Normal** would have been more prepared, me thinks. Conclusion: At least one of Mykbot, lilflower, and Inner Stickler is scum, though not both Mykbot and lilflower. I need to review Inner. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1414 "2011-08-21T01:28:09Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > First thing, just note that I’m soft clearing him. He isn’t a lock clear villager. I just think he’s more likely than random to be a villager now. > > Additionally, even though **Silman** wasn’t the actual seer, we can gain information from his death. I believe Silman was targeting because the wolves thought he was the seer. Why? Silman posted 4 times, and is not from the board. Why would the wolves want to kill him then? > > Because his two reads ( **krayz** = villager,\*\* plank \*\*= villager) were probably correct. > > We know at least one of his reads were correct. Catching up, so I dunno if this has been addressed, but I just don’t think your reasoning is solid here. Even running with the assumption that both of those reads are correct and with the maximum reasonable number of scum I theorized of 9, that’s still a 28/37 chance that either read is correct just by pure dumb luck. That’s a 57.3% chance that both reads would be correct even without any knowledge. IOW, you’re clearing someone as that 57.3% likely to be town who, based on random, has a 75.7% chance without that conditional. And that’s with the worst case set of assumptions; the disparity would be greater with an assumption of less than the maximum number of possible scum. Further, we know from **Gadarene** that only one action on Night Zero went through and while it’s possible that the seer was that action, he wouldn’t have had two reads on other players, he only would have had one. IOW, giving two strong potential cop readings on Day 1 ought to have been a sign that he WASN’T a cop. So, in order for it to say anything about **SubPlank** , we have to assume that it’s a correct read and thus the scum thought Silman was a cop, which they shouldn’t have thought. And even if we assume that, that all has a lower chance of happening as a way of clearing him than simply assuming based upon the game setup. Honestly, it seems to me that your reasoning is circular–which now that I think about it makes me suspicious–in that you seem to know that he’s town or that the scum targetted Silman and then using that to soft-clear him. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1415 "2011-08-21T01:30:41Z")
Telling everyone that you’re voting purely on the basis of “I’ve decided this is a bad idea” is not helpful and do you know why? Because then people don’t want to share ideas in case there’s a downside they missed and they get voted for it. And that way lies scum wins. Proposing bad ideas is NOT scummy. Pushing bad ideas is scummy and someone who continually posts in favor of a bad idea without acknowledging its flaws will certainly make me look askance at them. But people who see a bad idea and decide that’s enough for a vote look to me like they’re trying to head off discussion. No me gusta your vote Yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1416 "2011-08-21T01:32:58Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I am aware that GuiriEnEspaña was a vigilante but there were multiple attempts on **Mahaloth**. I count myself among them. > > Because Mahaloth obviously wasn’t protected last night, that means the odds are likelier that I was one of those who killed him. > > I am claiming this now because I would rather discuss two choices for death today instead of one. My current theory is that, like almost everyone else, my night zero action was worthless. > > If someone targeted me last night, please note that you are probably not a roleblocker. A possibility, it was noted that **Mahaloth** was shot and poisoned. It is reasonable to assume that the shot was from the vigiliante. The poison may or may not have been the result of last night though. It is possible that poison is a delayed death effect and that it was, in fact, the Night Zero action that went through. As such, it is possible that, if someone targeted him on Night Zero, that they are actually the poisoner and that whoever they targeted last Night will die tonight. Of course, it may just be color that Gadarene used to help make it easier to figure out who killed who and it wasn’t a delayed effect. I imagine this will be cleared up after tonight though. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1417 "2011-08-21T01:52:22Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Hmm…what I think this means to us is that pizzaguy is probably not a vig. We had one vig attack last night and we had one dead vig this morning. I think the most logical conclusion is that Guiri targeted Mahaloth. If Pizza is vig, then Guiri was blocked and/or his target protected. Pizza could still easily be the poisoner, and attract the NK, or not. If he did, in fact, target Mahaloth, then all we can reasonably guess is that he is not a doctor. (Though still possible if Pizza was blocked.) How do you figure that we had \*one \*Vig attack last Night? I count three dead (one of whom appears to have been targeted twice); that means the Scum kill plus 2 or 3 additional killing roles. I don’t agree that “the most logical conclusion is that Guiri targeted Mahaloth”. You’re drawing a conclusion that the evidence does not support. That’s not to say that there’s evidence to the contrary, but it’s just as likely that Guiri targeted Silman. I don’t really think it makes much of a difference at this point anyway, though it may become important down the road. One thing that strikes me as odd, though for the life of me I can’t see any way in which it can be relevant to the game itself, is that the ‘Otherboarders’ seem to have almost vanished today (small ‘t’). Do you 2+2 guys not work weekends? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1418 "2011-08-21T01:52:36Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Not to mention if the wolves have a RB, they’re probably unsure about it but if they have a killing power in addition to the NK, they may have an idea of who has it so there’s a strong chance you could eat it tonight as well as a potential seer. I think it was…less then effective to put forth your name as a probable killer. > > (My preference as a vig is to go after low volume posters. Like PCM would be an awesome target right now. Frees up the people who want to vote him for crappy play Yesterday and either removes scum or someone not really participating. The other theory I like but not quite as much is to target the runner up in lynch wagons if the lynched was town.) I’ve played a Vig, and I tried using the power at the behest of the Town. It worked out HORRIBLY. The reason being that scum had as much say in that as they did in the lynch votes and I didn’t hit a single scum. What makes a Vig powerful is the lack of accountability. We all know they’re pro-town, so it’s not like they’re going to deliberately attack someone who they don’t find scummy. So, by all means, consider some suggestions, but I really think that if you think you’re a Vig, or to whoever else may be, you need to make up the decision for yourself. On top of that, I think another good strategy is to use it to follow up on unsubstantiable hunches. For instance, I was once playing a game as scum where I was quite loud and the main proponent pushing for most of the lynches and dominating the discussion, and I’m fairly certain that many people felt I was scummy, but every one of my lynch cases was solid so no one could build a case against me that I couldn’t refute. Hell, I was even manipulating the Vigilante target. But eventually, either at LyLo or right before, I knew I was in his sights and I was finally Vigged. The point of that is that, I was unlynchable especially since we were so close to LyLo, so it was the best move on his part and going for the second place target or a quiet player would have guaranteed a town loss. In short, if you think you’re a Vig, consider the different strategies and decide what you think is best for the town. Sometimes getting someone who is noisy and dominating discussion is a better target than a lurker. Sometimes it makes sense to crack into a cluster and see how the roles break down to try to get alignment information about others involved. Sometimes someone is scummy as hell but, for whatever reason, people just aren’t voting for them. Most importantly though, since it’s not unlikely that the scum have a role block or a doctor type, don’t try to be too predictable. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1419 "2011-08-21T02:10:44Z")
@Burby Yes. You are right. I was assuming facts not in evidence. I was assuming that “Mahaloth has been shot!” was an indication of a vig attack. And the other 2 deaths did not have that. But definitely an unproven assumption. Still, I think it likely to be the case that the “been shot” indicates vig. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1420 "2011-08-21T02:16:28Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Telling everyone that you’re voting purely on the basis of “I’ve decided this is a bad idea” is not helpful and do you know why? Because then people don’t want to share ideas in case there’s a downside they missed and they get voted for it. And that way lies scum wins. Proposing bad ideas is NOT scummy. Pushing bad ideas is scummy and someone who continually posts in favor of a bad idea without acknowledging its flaws will certainly make me look askance at them. But people who see a bad idea and decide that’s enough for a vote look to me like they’re trying to head off discussion. No me gusta your vote Yesterday. Oh dear Inner, the more you post, the more I am suspicious of you. First of all, as I have pointed out I can’t count how many times, I did NOT vote MykBot _purely on the basis of “I’ve decided this is a bad idea”_. I voted him on a bad idea that he should have known was a bad idea. Would you care to defend why voting someone who had a bad idea is scummy? Isn’t that what most townies do? Look for someone with anti-town notions and vote them? You, on the other hand, seem to be looking for a convenient place for your vote. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1421 "2011-08-21T02:23:33Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I voted him on a bad idea that he should have known was a bad idea. What would be the scum motivation for that? In order for it to work, he’d have to think Town was stultifyingly dumb. Is that your argument? That Mykbot thinks we’re all morons? > [@](#): > > Would you care to defend why voting someone who had a bad idea is scummy? Isn’t that what most townies do? Look for someone with anti-town notions and vote them? Bad townies maybe. Anti-town behavior is not the same as scummy behavior. Townies can very easily propose plans that hurt town. You have to look at the motivations of the poster. If they’re scum, how does it help them? Just because you don’t like something because you think it hurts town doesn’t automatically mean it’s scummy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=72)