# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1422 "2011-08-21T02:36:04Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Bad townies maybe. Anti-town behavior is not the same as scummy behavior. Townies can very easily propose plans that hurt town. You have to look at the motivations of the poster. If they’re scum, how does it help them? Just because you don’t like something because you think it hurts town doesn’t automatically mean it’s scummy. So you think I am not a bad townie, and instead you think I am scum. Hmmm. I agree that townies often propose bad ideas, but I _still_ think that Mykbot should have known better. If he is scum, why not take a shot at getting the vig’s to kill themselves? You could always fall back like Mykbot did, and say he was primarily talking about night 0. And I agree that just because you don’t like something, doesn’t mean that it is scummy. You say that you don’t like my vote from Yesterday, but you didn’t say when you voted, and you have yet to say, why you think it was scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1423 "2011-08-21T02:38:08Z")
Guiri did say he was suspicious of Mahaloth, so it seems likely to me that he targeted him. I don’t see why ATPG (askthepizzaguy) thinks that he is the vig, except that he would like to be, but it will be interesting to see what the effects of the claim will be. My instinct is to keep my cards close to my chest, but I like everyone else piping up because it gives me more hints to puzzle over. There is a bit of a contradiction there, I know. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1424 "2011-08-21T02:39:09Z")
Because I really really really dislike people using Bad Ideas as voting rationales. And I think it’s scummy because again, voting people for having ideas reduces discussion which on a general level is bad. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1425 "2011-08-21T02:39:37Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Blam has posted several times but, except for a few FOS charges and votes, most of his posts are tailored to be non-controversial. His votes and FOS seem wrong to me; for example he points FOS at Scuba Ben for vote flip-flops, but to me an attention-attracting vote flip-flop would not be a scum move. Blam’s vote for Silver Jan was equivocal. At least if you’re going to vote for me for my vote, at least represent it correctly. My case against **Ben** is a lot more than that: 1. It’s likely the **Krayz** ’s wagon was built to save scum, he was on that wagon third. 2. He unvoted once the wagon was in the lead. 3. He subsequently said that he didn’t find **Krayz** (or **peeker** ) to be scummy. 4. Other votes started coming onto the top vote getters and he revoted for **Krayz**. I will quote the specific posts when I finish catching up. But at least do your homework next time and represent my case correctly. As for **Silver Jan** , I believed she was the scummiest of the top vote-getters Yesterday, but I’d already made it clear I would have voted for **Ben** if I thought I’d have had time to convince others. Frankly, this is just lazy. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1426 "2011-08-21T03:00:17Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Because I really really really dislike people using Bad Ideas as voting rationales. And I think it’s scummy because again, voting people for having ideas reduces discussion which on a general level is bad. Did you vote for any of the NAF voters? Or just me? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1427 "2011-08-21T03:33:22Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Hmm…what I think this means to us is that pizzaguy is probably not a vig. We had one vig attack last night and we had one dead vig this morning. I think the most logical conclusion is that Guiri targeted Mahaloth. If Pizza is vig, then Guiri was blocked and/or his target protected. Pizza could still easily be the poisoner, and attract the NK, or not. If he did, in fact, target Mahaloth, then all we can reasonably guess is that he is not a doctor. (Though still possible if Pizza was blocked.) i like your shoes as well, **tex**. gd i really feel like pulling a **rOOsh** reprise but better not since the chain is still kind of tight. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1428 "2011-08-21T03:36:50Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i like your shoes as well, **tex**. > > gd i really feel like pulling a **rOOsh** reprise but better not since the chain is still kind of tight. Huh? I am barefoot – no shoes here. Don’t know anything about chains or rOOsh. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1429 "2011-08-21T03:40:19Z")
Okay, here’s a better laid out case against **Scuba\_Ben** with links to the specific posts that raised my suspicion. First of note is that he voted for **peeker** as the fourth vote, another wagon. [Post 379](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14151000&postcount=379) His vote for **peeker** is for not seeing an inconsistency that **peeker** pointed out. In fact, see for yourself: [Post 286](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14150129&postcount=286) **Giraffe** says in one post that scum typically follow the action but stay quieter than usual, then in the second quote says that he’d expect scum to post a lot. It may or may not be a scummy inconsistency, but it is an inconsistency and it’s a bad reason to vote for **peeker**. It looks like he wants to jump on the **peeker** wagon there but doesn’t want to rely on the reasoning already given. As scum in the past, knowing that “me too” votes look bad, I would often try to find other reasons to vote for someone, even if poorly thought out, because it looks like I wasn’t just throwing in a me too vote, even though I was. Then comes the **Krayz** voting, unvoting, and revoting: [Post 498](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14152667&postcount=498) Here he votes for **Krayz** for smudging, one of those smudges being against him. The crux seems to be that he’s upset at **Krayz** for smudging people for voting for **peeker**. Not particularly scummy, but weird that he’s essentially defending **peeker** when his vote was on him. [Post 572](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14153574&postcount=572) Here he unvotes **Krayz** and votes **SubPlank**. He admits that it’s sort of a weak vote (“Good enough reason”) and yet his vote is for **SubPlank** having a weak vote on **TimeLady** for having a weak vote. Huh? [Post 701](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14154329&postcount=701) Here he says he’s leaning away from **Krayz** and **peeker** and that nothing strikes him as scummy or townie. Not so bad by itself, he’s allowed to change his mind. He also comments on several other posters which could prove lucid if he flips scum. [Post 736](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14154482&postcount=736) And this is the lynch pin. He goes back and revotes for him for smudging, which is exactly what he had voted for him before, then later cleared him of. Then tops it off with a non-commital “I’m willing to be persuaded”. The point here is that no individual post is necessarily scummy, though some are baffling. The point here isn’t that he’s flip-flopping, but that his logic FOR flip-flopping is internally inconsistent. Inconsistency is often a sign of scum trying to justify his vote. This is, IMO, the scummiest pattern of behavior and, unless I missed it, he hasn’t given any sort of explanation for it at all. In fact, all of this behavior is very well explained as scum. First, he votes for **peeker** as he sees the wagon trending. If **peeker** is town, it’s an easy townie lynch and he can shrug most of the heat on the earlier voters. If **peeker** is scum, he gains some credit for being on the wagon and not just a me too vote. That’s win/win for a scummy **Ben**. A bit later **Krayz** and **TexCat** get some votes in short order and he swaps his vote to **Krayz** quickly as well. The **peeker** wagon starts to slow a bit and he jumps off of **Krayz** probably hoping not to be on a townie lynch. Later, votes start popping up quickly on **TexCat** and **Silver Jan** and he swaps back to **Krayz**. I strongly suspect that one or both of those two is scum and he forgot that he’d cleared **Krayz** and **peeker** and jumped back on the wagon to save them. There simply isn’t a townie reason I can think over for that behavior, but there’s a pretty clear cut scummy reason for it. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1430 "2011-08-21T03:54:57Z")
Can I get a person (or 2 or 3) to give me a synopsis of this day so far? I will make a proper effort to catch up tomorrow, but I’m very tired. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1431 "2011-08-21T04:11:47Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Can I get a person (or 2 or 3) to give me a synopsis of this day so far? > > I will make a proper effort to catch up tomorrow, but I’m very tired. i was a dick (in game for fucks sake). **idle** modbitchslapped me. now i have to be half a dick. that’s about all i have gotten out of it. oh and apparantly i have a confirmable power. useless but what the hell difference would that make in my life. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1432 "2011-08-21T04:31:46Z")
**Ed** - it has been a relatively(!) quiet day so far. I think you can catch up pretty easily. I, as usual, have no idea what\*\* peek \*\*is on about. "oh and apparantly i have a confirmable power. useless but what the hell difference would that make in my life. " huh? you do? wtf is this about? Am i just clueless? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1433 "2011-08-21T04:43:18Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > **Ed** - it has been a relatively(!) quiet day so far. I think you can catch up pretty easily. I, as usual, have no idea what\*\* peek \*\*is on about. > > "oh and apparantly i have a confirmable power. useless but what the hell difference would that make in my life. " huh? you do? wtf is this about? Am i just clueless? i’ll type real slow for you. apparantly i am a post silencer or some such animal. who should i silence tomorrow? assuming that you don’t lynch me. i mean scum will never kill my butt at this point since i really can’t fuck with them too much. seriously if you had to got through another Day without a post from someone who would it be and why? you know your life (game) hinges on your answer since there are several that would just as soon lynch you - including me. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1434 "2011-08-21T04:48:26Z")
Peeker thinks his power prevents someone from posting, because he targeted Mykbot, and Mykbot hasn’t posted today. Peeker, can you target yourself? That would probably confirm it. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1435 "2011-08-21T04:50:32Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > apparantly i am a post silencer or some such animal. That’s a mighty big assumption there. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1436 "2011-08-21T04:53:24Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Peeker thinks his power prevents someone from posting, because he targeted Mykbot, and Mykbot hasn’t posted today. > > Peeker, can you target yourself? That would probably confirm it. sure. if that is the general consensus than i can play that game. it would give me the heebies, but sure why not? i think, however, targeting someone else than me makes it a heck of a lot more provable. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1437 "2011-08-21T04:54:56Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > That’s a mighty big assumption there. heard from **mykbot** (one of the post leaders from D1) lately? ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1438 "2011-08-21T04:56:56Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > heard from **mykbot** (one of the post leaders from D1) lately? Your logic is unassailable. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1439 "2011-08-21T04:57:58Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **mykbot** is a fucking goat dick sucking piece of shit that then takes it up the ass. Peeker, whether or not you’re playing a game (or role, or using a strategy, or any other damn thing), this kind of comment isn’t allowed. The board rules apply just as much in game threads. Don’t insult other players in this forum. No warning issued, but please keep this in mind for future posts. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1440 "2011-08-21T05:01:43Z")
and it is merely an assumption **buff**. i know i targeted **mykbot** and he (she?) hasn’t posted squat toDay after being fairly participatory yesterDay. i mean i guess the unwashed masses can come arrive at whatever the conclusion they want to but it kind of makes sense. at least give me that. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1441 "2011-08-21T05:04:36Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > Peeker, whether or not you’re playing a game (or role, or using a strategy, or any other damn thing), this kind of comment isn’t allowed. The board rules apply just as much in game threads. Don’t insult other players in this forum. > > No warning issued, but please keep this in mind for future posts. yessirmaam. crud the leash got tightened a wee bit more. btw, i kind of like the whole getting rid of the algae off of the stones things that you folks are engaged in. makes the whole touristy experience so much more meaningful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=73)