# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1522 "2011-08-22T02:11:31Z")
The 2 (that we know of) targets of \*\*M \*\* shot and poisoned. We could wager they were lucky shots by Town (since I don’t thing anyone knows for certain want they ‘do’ yet.) BUT Something I have not seen typed is ANYPLAYER that did not submit their Night action would have been randomized. This makes the deduction of things twice as hard. I wager One of the dead Townies last Night was a Scum kill ( no reason for them to NOT kill since they could.) The other NK could have been done by a Scum/Town/Other There is not enough evidence for anything concrete at this time. The Townies that targeted the dead now know (75%) that they are not Docs. If they saw nothing 75% not watchers. I don’t know if a player would be told if they were blocked so I’m still afuddled here If a PLAYER did get a message that they were blocked \* at some point \* that would be helpfull information ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1523 "2011-08-22T02:14:56Z")
NETA although Scum/Wolves should be standing on their heads to make sure each of them sends in their individual Night actions ( you could kill one of your own team dude) I have seen players on both sides turn invisible ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1524 "2011-08-22T02:16:08Z")
“targets of” may read better as “targeting” ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1525 "2011-08-22T02:21:38Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > I am somewhat concerned about Pizza \ this. if he is telling the truth and scum have a redirctor he must die. if he is lying then he must die. **unovte all** **vote pizza** ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1526 "2011-08-22T02:27:03Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > 2 pro town night kills and a lynch against two other kills ( the non colour kills ) seams a little town biased. Two scum kills could be about right ( to be honest i am not exactly the right person to be asking aout game balancin) . > Hence my concern that one of the hits on Malahoth was not a pro town hit, ie a PFK or independent faction. There could be more night killers, although that would lead us to potentially have 6 kills per day/ night cycle which would seam to be quite a lot. > Incidentally I am refering to scum as the wolves, so if we have independents out there, i call 'em PFK or non town aligned, which is different to scum. Just in case we end up in a semantic discussion of who scum is. Third party and PFK can be game sensitive I think the rules state “neutral” so to keep semantics to a dull roar perhaps “neutral” should be the preferred There was only one pro Town Kill even though there were 2 protown “shots”? Or did I misunderstand again ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1527 "2011-08-22T02:27:42Z")
Snipping the hell out of a recent post… > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > As our vig is dead that leaves another non wolf killer. This is not the first (nor the second or third) time that someone has referred to a power role in the singular: “our Vig”, the Vig", etc. This is a 37 player, all Power game. do you guys really think we would have only one Vig? Only one Doc, one Cop? I fully expect there to be multiple instances of the ‘standard’ roles. Probably there will be some variations so that things aren’t too mundane, but just because we lost a Town Vig last Night doesn’t mean there \*can’t \*be another one. Of course, that doesn’t mean that \*\*Pizza \*\*is it. He could be Scum, he could be a PFK Serial Killer, or he could be something completely different. My point here is not to try to clear **Pizza** , just to point out that it appears that people are being a bit narrow-minded regarding the possibility of multiple roles in the game. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1528 "2011-08-22T02:30:02Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > this. > > if he is telling the truth and scum have a redirctor he must die. if he is lying then he must die. > > **[]unovte all** > > **vote pizza** (bleached) What the Sam Hill do you think you are doing making sense? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1529 "2011-08-22T02:32:19Z")
oh i forgot. sorry **fluid** and \*\*idle]/b]. i mean i am not seriously threatening physical harm to someone else. in the context of this game i’d like for you to mod change die and change to further paticipation. the oatmeal is wonderful, btw. can’t figure out how i lasted so long on stuff that didn’t taste like nothing. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1530 "2011-08-22T02:32:23Z")
@ \*\* SP \*\* I said something like that once earlier . Maybe they will hear you ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1531 "2011-08-22T02:33:55Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > oh i forgot. sorry **fluid** and \*\*idle]/b]. i mean i am not seriously threatening physical harm to someone else. in the context of this game i’d like for you to mod change die and change to further paticipation. > > the oatmeal is wonderful, btw. can’t figure out how i lasted so long on stuff that didn’t taste like nothing. Stop being a fake PC poop. Your cursing is preferred ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1532 "2011-08-22T02:35:11Z")
NETA @ \*\* Peeker \*\* just use the scattergun instead of the sniper rifle ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1533 "2011-08-22T02:36:03Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > this. > > if he is telling the truth and scum have a redirctor he must die. if he is lying then he must die. > > **unovte all** > > **vote pizza** I seem to recall it being said somewhere that there are no roles in this game that have multiple targets. That rules out a traditional Redirector. It doesn’t rule out variations on the role, such as someone who Redirects their target’s action to themself, or to a random second target, but these would be less subject to Scum manipulation. And the more I think about it, the more I really don’t like this vote. \*If \*\*\*Pizza \*\*is a Vig (which we don’t know) and \*if \*the Scum have a Redirector (which we don’t know, and most likely they don’t even know), then there is a \*possibility \*that they \*might \*be able to turn his power against the Town. There’s a whole lot of uncertainty in that statement, and I don’t think it warrants lynching \*\*Pizza \*\*Today, not by a longshot. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1534 "2011-08-22T02:41:07Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I seem to recall it being said somewhere that there are no roles in this game that have multiple targets. That rules out a traditional Redirector. It doesn’t rule out variations on the role, such as someone who Redirects their target’s action to themself, or to a random second target, but these would be less subject to Scum manipulation. > > And the more I think about it, the more I really don’t like this vote. \*If \*\*\*Pizza \*\*is a Vig (which we don’t know) and \*if \*the Scum have a Redirector (which we don’t know, and most likely they don’t even know), then there is a \*possibility \*that they \*might \*be able to turn his power against the Town. There’s a whole lot of uncertainty in that statement, and I don’t think it warrants lynching \*\*Pizza \*\*Today, not by a longshot. Since we had a death reveal that mentions edirection you have confused me a bit here. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1535 "2011-08-22T02:43:20Z")
So Pizza claims to think he’s a town vig, and someone is trying to lynch him for that? Talking about anti-town behavior… ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1536 "2011-08-22T02:46:32Z")
It’s weird that every single one of the pog players have been awol the last few days. Personally I’ve been pretty busy (I work weekends but my job has zero computer access) but I don’t know about the rest of them. At the very least I know I’ve seen their names popping up on the other forum. For me though this game is moving at a glacial pace (as far as how often night falls). Between that, me not knowing anyone actually participating (since the pog guys are awol), and peeker spamming the thread with shit I don’t want to read, this game is kind of unappealing. Hopefully things will change closer to Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1537 "2011-08-22T02:49:41Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Since we had a death reveal that mentions edirection you have confused me a bit here. As I said, I don’t think we have any ‘traditional’ Redirectors (i.e. those who say “redirect all actions by Player A to Player B”). We could still have variations on the role, but those would be less powerful in Scum hands, I think. And this is assuming that Gadarene did in fact say somewhere that there were no actions targeting multiple players. I’m certain I saw that but I don’t know where…if that’s not the case then you can forget everything I said there. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1538 "2011-08-22T02:55:25Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > So Pizza claims to think he’s a town vig, and someone is trying to lynch him for that? Talking about anti-town behavior… It is quite common for a Scum to try to claim Vigilante. especially if they fear they might have been watched or tracked. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1539 "2011-08-22T02:57:53Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > It is quite common for a Scum to try to claim Vigilante. especially if they fear they might have been watched or tracked. NETA: Or to provide cover if, in the future, they are watched or tracked while killing. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1540 "2011-08-22T02:59:13Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > if he is telling the truth **and scum have a redirctor** he must die. I think you need to rethink this a touch. Scum cannot have a redirector that would be worth risking to affect the vig, I don’t think. Since we all give the Mod exactly one target, and have no confirmation of our powers, a potential scum redirector would have no control whatsoever over where he redirected a vig kill TO. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1541 "2011-08-22T03:01:15Z")
**Peeker** , it was just dumb luck that I got through the read which ended with you calling me out. I really considered letting a few more people post so it wouldn’t look like I’ve just been reading along and intentionally lurking - only to post when called out. But, my internet access is pretty limited on the weekends and I had to respond there or not at all til now. **PizzaGuy** , that’s some fine post digging you’ve done there. Calling me out on my fluff and all. But, don’t you think it’s a bit misleading to use the posts I made at night. Ya know? The time during the game where if we post at all, we are not allowed to talk strategy. I promise to try and catch up tomorrow, but I do have a real job I have to do - and that comes first. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=78)