# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 84
**Author:** ![DonkTimesFour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ea924/32.png) [@DonkTimesFour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonkTimesFour)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1662 "2011-08-22T18:36:09Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > HI! > HI! > HI! > HI! > > There, I’ve said hi to Donk. Hi! ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1663 "2011-08-22T18:38:06Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Also,\*\* Scuba\_Ben\*\*: If you want to vote for \*\*Weedy \*\*or **Brewha** , I will follow up on those. I’m not convinced on anyone else presently. Nice that you’re not convinced with my case. Do you think you can tell me what about it you don’t like. And I’ll reciprocate with why I’m not convinced by your **brewha** case as it seems to hinge largely on his fluffiness when the pace of the game thus far has been beyond what I think many people expressed. I’ve got essentially zero read on him thus far where as I have some pretty clear patterns of behavior for **Ben**. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1664 "2011-08-22T18:38:42Z")
**unvote all** **vote donkie**. welcome. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1665 "2011-08-22T18:39:50Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I am considering switching my vote to **peeker** and focusing on **Ben** tomorrow if **peeker** turns out to be Scum, but I’m not sure if I’m falling into the “vote for **peeker** because he’s being a dick all over the game thread” trap. Any thoughts on this from anyone else? I’m spending a lot of time re-reading the posts by Lynch candidates and am not really “feeling” any of the cases. Vote flipflops? I think that’s a Town-tell. A defended B who accused C of smudging D? There’s so many opportunities for innocent logic errors (or even Wifom double-crosses) in a chain like that, I think they can be ignored until we have more info. But one thing is clear to me. **peekercpa** in monopolizing and misdirecting the discussion is playing anti-Town. Perhaps he’s just “being peeker.” But if he were Scum, this misdirection and voice-drowning might be his best tactic. **Vote: peekercpa** ---
**Author:** ![DonkTimesFour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ea924/32.png) [@DonkTimesFour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonkTimesFour)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1666 "2011-08-22T18:42:41Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **unvote all** > > **vote donkie**. > > welcome. :smack: what kind of a welcome is that ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1667 "2011-08-22T18:43:59Z")
If I have this right this is our current player list Astral Rejection Blaster Master brewha bufftabby crackedquads Dancecat Drain Bead Episkey Giraffe gnarlycharlie Hirka T’Bawa/Weedy Idle Thoughts Inner Stickler LightFoot lilflower Meeko/sangaman MykBot NAF1138 Normal Phase peekercpa PetW/ATPG Precambrianmollusc sachertorte/DonkTimesFour Scathach Scuba\_Ben septimus Silver Jan SisterCoyote Special Ed Suburban Plankton TexCat TimeLady Zeriel Correct me if I’ve made any errors or missed a substitution ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1668 "2011-08-22T18:44:25Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **Vote: peekercpa** \ finally honesty. p.s. is that ok **gad**? i don’t think i used one of my forbidden words, right? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1669 "2011-08-22T18:45:07Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > If I have this right this is our current player list > Astral Rejection > Blaster Master > brewha > bufftabby > crackedquads > Dancecat > Drain Bead > Episkey > Giraffe > gnarlycharlie > Hirka T’Bawa/Weedy > Idle Thoughts > Inner Stickler > LightFoot > lilflower > Meeko/sangaman > MykBot > NAF1138 > Normal Phase > peekercpa > PetW/ATPG > Precambrianmollusc > sachertorte/DonkTimesFour > Scathach > Scuba\_Ben > septimus > Silver Jan > SisterCoyote > Special Ed > Suburban Plankton > TexCat > TimeLady > Zeriel > > Correct me if I’ve made any errors or missed a substitution That looks correct, LightFoot; thanks for putting it together. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1670 "2011-08-22T18:46:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > \ > But one thing is clear to me. **peekercpa** in monopolizing and misdirecting the discussion is playing anti-Town. Perhaps he’s just “being peeker.” But if he were Scum, this misdirection and voice-drowning might be his best tactic. > > **Vote: peekercpa** For the last few pages, his ridiculous posting has been feeling very purposeful. Perhaps he learned his role last Night and is some kind of PFK/jester/cat turd covered in cracker crumbs type role. It’s also possible his “shoes” are of the variety that he has to respond to everything and/or have X times as many posts as anyone else in the game or something. Although I would like him to stop, I’m not sure he’s actually scum. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1671 "2011-08-22T18:48:02Z")
NETA: I don’t think his posting style is evidence that he’s scum. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1672 "2011-08-22T18:49:29Z")
And not to forget our departed GuiriEnEspaña dead vig village Silman dead journalist village Krayz lynched beuracrat village Mahaloth dead tracker wolf (shot and poisoned) ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1673 "2011-08-22T18:50:34Z")
Krayz (7): Drain Bead [489], Meeko/sangaman [493], [del]Scuba\_Ben [498][/del], Mahaloth [540], Idle Thoughts [706], LightFoot [717], Scuba\_Ben [736], Precambrianmollusc [771] TexCat (5): Inner Stickler [473], lilflower [494], MykBot [586], gnarlycharlie [636], Normal Phase [739] Silver Jan (5): special ed [487], DanceCat [513], Episkey [617], bufftabby [795], Blaster Master [820] peekercpa (4): Giraffe [301], [del]special ed [313][/del], NAF1138 [337], [del]Scuba\_Ben [379][/del], Silver Jan [484], crackedquads [743] The vote leaders from yesterday. Let’s look at the timing for these wagons. At around post 400, peeker was way in the lead with 4 votes and seemed to be gaining speed, TimeLady and Giraffe had a couple. Fast forward ahead to about post 600 and what do we have? Krayz has suddenly picked up 3 or 4 votes (4 until Ben unvoted), peeker is now down to 3, I have picked up 3, and SilverJan has a couple. I speculate that a scummy peeker was in trouble and that scum took a scattergun approach to an opposing bandwagon, and that Krayz, SilverJan, and I were in front of the scattergun. I suspect we will find 1 or 2 scum on all of us, who might have changed had peeker continued getting heat. At the end, Krayz was simply the easiest vote. Several people had stated that they couldn’t see any case on me and voting for me might entail explaining the case. Let’s look at who the scum on these scatterwagons might be. First we know that Mahaloth was on Krayz. Ben moved from peeker to Krayz. I think it unlikely that Ben was bussing peeker and I am assuming for this scenario that peeker is scum. Meeko/sangaman was an early vote. Meeko was struggling to get caught up in the thread, and yet voted for Krayz. On me, we have InnerStick and lilflower. I looked at the voters on me here: [1412](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14163046&postcount=1412) and looked further at Inner here [1475](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14164642&postcount=1475). ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1674 "2011-08-22T18:51:31Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > . \ ok, **jan** won’t answer so i will ask you. what is town’s goal? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1675 "2011-08-22T18:51:53Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Oy. Ok, just starting to even try to catch up right now. > > And I think I lost my bet with Peek. I don’t think the interaction on this page with Gad would have happened if Peek was scum. > > I am going back now to really catch up. More thoughts in a bit. Frankly, I don’t like this. Let us not forget past games where someone played in a very loud high noise way and required mod interaction (remember me subbing for **zuma** in AA and he was mod-confirmed not to be Batman). IMO, it’s a complete non-tell IMO. And, of course, I’m generally against meta-gaming. That said, I would like to see him chill out a bit, because it’s that much harder to keep up on the game when he’s posting so much and not really saying a whole lot. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1676 "2011-08-22T18:53:32Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > For the last few pages, his ridiculous posting has been feeling very purposeful. Perhaps he learned his role last Night and is some kind of PFK/jester/cat turd covered in cracker crumbs type role. It’s also possible his “shoes” are of the variety that he has to respond to everything and/or have X times as many posts as anyone else in the game or something. **MODERATOR NOTE** Without saying anything else about roles, I can say that most of the roles you describe – jester, cat turd covered in cracker crumbs, win conditions based on annoying the hell out of everyone through posting – would not be included in this game to the extent that they are not roles that “pertain directly to night actions,” as the OP describes. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1677 "2011-08-22T18:56:22Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > **MODERATOR NOTE** > > Without saying anything else about roles, I can say that most of the roles you describe – jester, cat turd covered in cracker crumbs, win conditions based on annoying the hell out of everyone through posting – would not be included in this game to the extent that they are not roles that “pertain directly to night actions,” as the OP describes. well fuck. the cat turd covered in cracker crumbs claim just went out the proveribal window. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1678 "2011-08-22T18:56:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’m spending a lot of time re-reading the posts by Lynch candidates and am not really “feeling” any of the cases. Vote flipflops? I think that’s a Town-tell. A defended B who accused C of smudging D? There’s so many opportunities for innocent logic errors (or even Wifom double-crosses) in a chain like that, I think they can be ignored until we have more info. > > But one thing is clear to me. **peekercpa** in monopolizing and misdirecting the discussion is playing anti-Town. Perhaps he’s just “being peeker.” But if he were Scum, this misdirection and voice-drowning might be his best tactic. > > **Vote: peekercpa** Hmm, I think you’re mischaracterising the case against Scuba\_Ben here _Vote flipflops? I think that’s a Town-tell._ It wasn’t just flip flopping. It was saying that he found a player townie, then voting for him 30 posts later for the same reason he had previously voted for him. - A defended B who accused C of smudging D?\* I don’t know how you managed to get all the way up to D here. Peeker voted for Giraffe for an inconsistency. Scuba\_ben voted peeker, saying he didn’t find what Giraffe said inconsistent. (Even though it certainly seemed pretty inconsistent to me) \*There’s so many opportunities for innocent logic errors (or even Wifom double-crosses) in a chain like that, I think they can be ignored until we have more info. \* Wasn’t actualy much of a chain. The whole post is based on being dismissive of the case against Scuba\_ben. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1679 "2011-08-22T19:00:52Z")
Ugh, hit reply way too soon. I apologise for the crappy spelling and formatting. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1680 "2011-08-22T19:04:54Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > All such claims are situational, and you know that. You can’t seriously compare “scum wouldn’t do that” situations between themselves. Almost everything that happens in the entire game is a question of whether or not the scums would “do that”. > > You’re harshly oversimplifying a **fundamental concept of mafia**. Your logic is what’s awful here. I was over-simplifying because it really wasn’t directly relevant to my point. I gave reasons why scum might do it and, in fact, have done it in games I’ve been in in the past. The point was that I don’t think your argument was logically complete. > [@](#): > > That you know of. I yak a lot but maybe I don’t say everything that’s on my mind. That is possible and if that’s the case that you considered them but chose not to raise them, it means I may need to reconsider my read. > [@](#): > > Wait, so first you said that “scum wouldn’t do that” is awful logic, then you turned around and said I wouldn’t do what I did as such-and-such an alignment? Or that it was less likely? > > You’re arguing with yourself now. Be careful about claiming I have awful logic, because them’s fightin words. No, bad logic is a null tell, but the reasoning and motivation behind the logic often means something else. One thing I’ve found in the past is that scum are often more likely to include all the scenarios involving their pro-town and anti-town motivation precisely because they’re intrinsically aware of their anti-town motivation already. OTOH, a townie will sometimes present logic with a sort of assumption that the scum motivation doesn’t really make sense or incompletely covered. That said, I have seen scum do it; in fact, I’ve done it myself, but I also know that it’s decidely more difficult to pull off convincingly. So my point was that your logic was bad, but that it struck me as being bad in a way that is more likely to be consistent with a townie rather than scum. I was mostly floating it out there with the hope that others would weigh in on what they think about you, particularly since I saw **peeker** suspicious of you and I was catching up and wasn’t sure what traction it may or may not have gotten. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1681 "2011-08-22T19:08:54Z")
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